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Paul Holes, a retired investigator with the Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office, confirmed Friday that he used "open-source" site GEDmatch to help law enforcement make the DNA connection.
The investigation was conducted over a long period of time as officials in Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert's office and crime lab explored online family trees that appeared to match DNA samples from the East Area Rapist's crimes, Grippi said. They then followed clues to individuals in the family trees to determine whether they were potential suspects.
The process finally came to fruition last Thursday, when the investigation focused on the possibility that DeAngelo might be a suspect, a suspicion bolstered by the fact that he had lived in areas where the attacks occurred and was in the right age range, Grippi said.
If everyone was required to have their DNA results stored in a database accessible only to the FBI, crime would drop like a rock.
Strategist saysIf everyone was required to have their DNA results stored in a database accessible only to the FBI, crime would drop like a rock.
Are you sure the FBI is trustworthy? The FBI never leaks information? (Queue video of James Comey: I leaked on purpose to further my political agenda.)
Aren't most murders and rapes committed by people who know the victim? Their DNA is likely to be at the crime scene already.
Similar questions have been raised in the past about other serial offenders, killers whose innocuous and even virtuous jobs seemed to belie the horrors they committed while hiding behind a veneer of respectability.Feux Follets says
— Top 3 Skilled Serial-Killer Occupations: 1. Aircraft machinist/assemblerRandy Kraft, born in 1945 into an upper middle class family, began his life of crime with the kidnapping and molestation of a 13 year old boy in 1973, the youngster escaped but didn't report the incident due to embarrassment--he testified as an adult during Kraft's trial in 1991. Beginning in 1974 and until caught during a routine traffic stop in 1983, Kraft would offer rides to young male hitchhikers on the California and Oregon freeways and in one instance in rural Michigan while at a computer conference, offer them drugs laced with sedatives, then when helpless be taken to remote locations where he would torture them for hours before dispatching them with a knife. Sometimes he would just throw their body out onto one of the California freeways onto which he covered hundreds of miles in always rented cars which made his capture so difficult due to lack of evidence. In Vietnam Kraft was an expert at airplane maintenance, then after the service worked in the then new computer industry with great skill and was always well-liked among his co-workers.
many killers use their employment as a pretext to acquire vulnerable victimsIn an earlier era, Albert Fish (1870-1936) began his career as a sexual sadist and cannibal after developing a taste for human flesh while serving in the Merchant Marines in China in 1899 during a time of famine when anyone under the age of 12 was in danger of being killed for food. He became a house painter which gave him access to residential interiors where he scoped out potential victims. His last victim was Grace Budd whom he met in 1928 when she was 12--his original target was Grace's older brother, but upon meeting him realized he was too large for him to overpower and he instantly fell in love with Grace when she came into the room. He lured her away to an empty house, tortured her for hours, then dismembered her body which he cooked and ate over several days. In true Uni-Bomber fashion, his ego got the best of him and he wrote a letter to her parents taunting them with descriptions of her agony. The authorities were able to use the stationery he found in a hotel to ultimately trace him down in 1932 and he was electrocuted in 1936.
Especially gratifying since I expect by this late date he thought he was home free. However, it must have been in the back of his mind after DNA came along that he knew he left samples along the way which would some day be traced to him--he wasn't as smart as he thought he was. Hope he gets death, but in California he'll die of older age before that--I don't think anyone has been executed in California for 30 years.
If everyone was required to have their DNA results stored in a database accessible only to the FBI, crime would drop like a rock. It would be easy to catch criminals who leave a trace of their DNA at a crime scene, because we would know right away whodunnit. Those even thinking of committing a crime would think twice as the chances of getting caught will increase sharply. Rapes, murders, child molestations would decrease the most as DNA is almost always left in these crimes.
Instead of unsustainable police pensions, we should be funding more DNA testing. DNA does a much better job of catching the guilty and freeing the innocent and identifying the forgotten than cops and lawyers. I certainly have no objection if my DNA catches a rapist or a serial killer.
That's the only way I'm giving it to them.Not if they collect your trash which is perfectly legal, or collect your utensils at a restaurant.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysThat's the only way I'm giving it to them.Not if they collect your trash which is perfectly legal, or collect your utensils at a restaurant.
it would be them stealing it.Something that is abandoned in the public domain, such as spittle, can hardly be considered stolen.
Also the burden of proof that the DNA is really mine will be on the fuckers if it ever comes up in court.Well of course it will be--that's what the forensic people do, it's not something the average layman has expertise in.
DNA is not full-proof by any means. And if you're talking about the technology that only recently been replaced, it's worse. I worked on a team that was developing next-gen sequencing SW for forensics, and will always remember two things. First thing is we had a group discussion one day where we identified an allele I believe(this is about 4 years back), that could be either male or female, and our solution wasn't granular enough to distinguish which. Our Next Gen solution. The other was that the SW engineering lead for the project said he never wanted his DNA anywhere near this, or any forensics system.
leave a trace of their DNA at a crime scene
They don't need to do that. They just need to harass people who are registered under a particular party affiliation.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysit would be them stealing it.Something that is abandoned in the public domain, such as spittle, can hardly be considered stolen.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysAlso the burden of proof that the DNA is really mine will be on the fuckers if it ever comes up in court.Well of course it will be--that's what the forensic people do, it's not something the average layman has expertise in.
gathering DNA of the whole populationNo, I meant just in an individual situation where a suspect already exists. The whole population would be idiotic.
Yes, strat #1 is coming. It's getting cheap to sequence a genome and health care orgs are staring to opt in. This news is 5 days old:
https://www.geisinger.org/about-geisinger/news-and-media/news-releases/2018/05/07/12/18/dna-sequencing-to-become-part-of-geisingers-routine-clinical-care
I've read similar stuff about sequencing babies. Basically it's about to become ubiquitous. Lobby congress to strengthen and expand on the GINA legislation passed a decade ago that the Republicans were trying to roll back recently.
1. Every baby born will have it's DNA recorded.Will also save lots of money for paternity tests. The way some people sleep around today, it would prevent some gal from claiming No. 3 was the father when it was really No. 5.
Strategist says1. Every baby born will have it's DNA recorded.Will also save lots of money for paternity tests. The way some people sleep around today, it would prevent some gal from claiming No. 3 was the father when it was really No. 5.
P N Dr Lo R saysStrategist says1. Every baby born will have it's DNA recorded.Will also save lots of money for paternity tests. The way some people sleep around today, it would prevent some gal from claiming No. 3 was the father when it was really No. 5.
Tell this to that guy who was found to be liable for child support for a kid whom a DNA test shown to be not the guy's biological son.
2. Using the old technology (STRs) to fish people out of CODIS based on family members. Similar to how that serial killer was caught in CA recently. With STRs it's not ethical based on the statistical likelihood of making a false match (innocent) and railroading them in court. It's really only ethically used if they match the suspect AFTER they are a suspect for some other evidence and they don't really need a database for that. Something like 1:few thousand vs. 1: several billion probability difference in chance of making that mistake. Using sets of forensics SNPs (identity, ancestry, phenotypic) you CAN mine a database ethically. There is way more power in SNPs.
Crime will be obsolete, because law enforcement will always know whodunnit, and where they are. Potential criminals would not even bother to commit a crime.
Why is the above bad?
The people responsible for handling the DNA evidence have a financial incentive to find you guilty whether you did it or not!
Definitely not to some "ancestry" sites for "fun".
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