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Please explain opposition to Trump's wall

By CovfefeButDeadly following x   2018 Apr 29, 1:35pm 5,258 views   65 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Again another thing I don't understand. The comments I see most often on social media have to do with unmeasurable, vague concepts along the lines of "This is how we are going to define what the United States is".

Basically rubbish like this:

Stated U.S. Rep. Filemon Vela (D-TX), who penned an infamously scathing letter to Trump slamming the border wall when Trump was still a candidate:

The border wall is a physical representation of the cultural and racial insults President Trump has spewed since his campaign announcement. A physical wall is also a wasteful expenditure of taxpayer dollars, endangers wildlife, stomps on property rights of private landowners, and isolates our partner, Mexico. Mr. Trump, you’re a racist and you can take your border wall and shove it up your ass.



https://americasvoice.org/blog/immigration-101-border-wall-terrible-idea/
1   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 29, 2:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“As I have been saying for years, a wall from sea to shining sea is the least effective and most expensive solution for border security. This is especially true in areas, like Big Bend National Park, where rough terrain, natural barriers, and the remoteness of a location render a wall or other structure impractical and ineffective. While I would like to think that common sense would dictate that the placement of a wall through the Boquillas Canyon in Big Bend or Lake Amistad in Del Rio is a bad idea, my amendment ensures that this point is clearly stated in this the bill, preventing hard-earned taxpayer dollars from being wasted on ineffective features,” said Hurd whose district includes over 800 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, more than any other Member of Congress.

Texas Rep. Will Hurd (R) about the Great Wall.

More from him:

“Violent drug cartels are using more modern technology to breach our border than what we are using to secure it. We can’t double down on a Third Century approach to solve 21st Century problems if we want a viable long-term solution,” said Hurd who represents over 800 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, more than any other Member of Congress. “We need a Smart Wall that uses high-tech resources like sensors, radar, LIDAR, fiber optics, drones and cameras to detect and then track incursions across our border so we can deploy efficiently our most important resource, the men and women of Border Patrol to perform the most difficult task -- interdiction. With a Smart Wall, we can have a more secure border at a fraction of the cost – that can be implemented and fully operational within a year. It’s time to harness American innovation on this most important National Security challenge and I look forward to working with my colleagues to make this a reality.”

https://hurd.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/hurd-s-smart-wall-gains-momentum-border-security-markup

https://hurd.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/hurd-introduces-21st-century-smart-wall-legislation
2   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2018 Apr 29, 2:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I get that and agree with some of it. However literally no one on the left is making that argument in my sort of honest way.
3   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 29, 8:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Interval spaced turret-mounted M134s are what is needed. Immediate consequence for passing into the United States of America without going through border crossing stations. If you can remotely man a drone, you can remotely man a gatling gun to stop invaders. If they're legal they should be passing through the proper crossing stations. If not, then no protection under the law, so..... With all of the bullshit talk of asylum for the mob there now, they need to look at what they can do to fix their countries, not enter our country with the express intention to maintain their culture/government ideals and shit on existing residents' culture/government ideals.
4   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 29, 8:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ForcedTQ says
they need to look at what they can do to fix their countries,


And this will never happen if the people with the gumption to migrate (which is pretty damn dangerous) leave.
5   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Apr 30, 3:59am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No jobs, no illegals, no need for a wall, no need to pay for a wall or making rich a bunch of friends of trump building a wall.

Remind me when ice is going to start raiding purdue, smithfield, and trump properties to haul off ceo's in handcuffs. Oh wait ICE gave a couple bodega owners in the bronx a warning recently . That's a big deterrent.
6   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 30, 4:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
racial insults
What race? It would do a great service to all if we could stop using made up names like Hispanic, and educate the folks from non Anglo-Teutonic America on the horrors of their Spanish heritage and the history of the Indians of Central and south America.
8   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 9:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
No jobs, no illegals,


What about gangs? It's not like one needs to pass e-verify in order to participate in MS-13.
9   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 9:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I'll explain it:

It costs too damn much and it won't work.
10   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 9:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
I'll explain it:

It costs too damn much and it won't work.


How come it worked for Israel?
11   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 10:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says

How come it worked for Israel?


Because it's a much, much smaller border and more easily manned.
12   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 10:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
I'll explain it:

It costs too damn much and it won't work.


What is the better solution?
13   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 30, 10:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
LeonDurham says
I'll explain it:

It costs too damn much and it won't work.


How come it worked for Israel?


Also worked for China and Hungary and Germany and...

Oops...
14   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Jul 30, 10:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Visas for Central and South Americans to the US have to be completely eliminated and the wall erected at the same time.

The wall must also manned with gun emplacements with an SOP to open fire at any sign of life within 200 yards of the wall foundation.

Then we have to go after the Canadians for allowing sub-humans to enter their country for the express purpose of destroying AMERICA!, if we can find one alive after SOCIALIZED! MEDICINE! killed almost every last one of them in 1966.
15   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 10:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Hassan_Rouhani says

How come it worked for Israel?


Because it's a much, much smaller border and more easily manned.


So? We are also much much bigger country with much much bigger population.
16   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 30, 10:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
I'll explain it:

It costs too damn much and it won't work.


Someone was a away for a few days, probably was at trolling camp, getting additional training.

Education can be a great teacher:

There's at least 40 countries with border walls, but hey, they don't work.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier
17   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 10:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
What is the better solution?


Glad you asked. Focus on demand rather than supply.

If employers of illegals were prosecuted, as they should be, jobs for illegals would disappear and they would stop coming.
18   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 10:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
So? We are also much much bigger country with much much bigger population.


So the cost would be ridiculously high and unsupportable. And a very poor way to spend our wealth.
19   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 10:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Hassan_Rouhani says
So? We are also much much bigger country with much much bigger population.


So the cost would be ridiculously high and unsupportable. And a very poor way to spend our wealth.


How come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It's not like they are more affluent as a country than US.
20   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 10:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
How come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It's not like they are more affluent as a country than US.


Because it's 150 miles.
21   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 30, 10:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Hassan_Rouhani says
How come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It's not like they are more affluent as a country than US.


Because it's 150 miles.


These countries too?




Crap, another Liberal narrative destroyed..
22   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Hassan_Rouhani says
LeonDurham says
Hassan_Rouhani says
So? We are also much much bigger country with much much bigger population.


So the cost would be ridiculously high and unsupportable. And a very poor way to spend our wealth.


How come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It'snot like they are more affluent as a country than US.


Israel relies on massive subsidies and support from easily manipulated “Americans”.

Stop giving handouts to Israel then you could use that money to prove that the border wall fails to achieve anything Chumpkins claim it will


Israel gets about $3.5B in aid from US. This is about 1% of their GDP. Even if US completely withdraws the aid I seriously doubt it will cause Israel to abandon their defensive effort and open their borders to the invading hordes.
23   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 10:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Because it's 150 miles.


Many of those 150 miles are in dense built up neighborhoods with Islamist jihadis digging tunnels and firing rockets over the border - which I would argue is harder to guard than the US Southern Border which is primarily desert and open space.
24   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Many of those 150 miles are in dense built up neighborhoods with Islamist jihadis digging tunnels and firing rockets over the border - which I would argue is harder to guard than the US Southern Border which is primarily desert and open space.


I would take that argument. Once an illegal cuts a hole in the fence, which would be easier to fix?
25   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 11:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
That’s the direct aid to those Failed Loser welfare queens


That is the price we pay to prevent Israel from ending up like the rest of the of the non-Muslim religious minorities in the Middle East who have already been executed, ethnically cleansed or sold into sexual slavery.
26   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 11:19am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Crap, another Liberal narrative destroyed..


Overstayers on legal visa's are 2/3's of illegals. How is the wall going to stop them? Crap another trumpkin narrative destroyed.

Aphroman says

MS-13 is so small and insignificant they may as well not even exist.

Yet Chumpkins keep pretending there’s a there, there


Yep all 10k MS-13 members out of 10+ million illegals. MS-13 originated in the US and moved out to other countries, not the other way around.
27   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 11:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.
28   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 11:52am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.


Proof that propaganda is very effective


Talk about effective propaganda!

Building a fence is a bigger project and more complicated than the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956?

How about California's high speed rail project? Latest estimates are putting that at $77 billion while the border wall is only $21 billion.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-will-trumps-border-wall-cost/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/californias-77-billion-high-speed-rail-project-is-in-trouble.html
29   Onvacation   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 30, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.

It IS in the purview of the government to protect the border. It's all that entitlement crap that perpetuates victimhood and poverty that we have a problem with.
30   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Jul 30, 11:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When you have a wall, border or a guarded premeter.
Then you take intruders and interlopers more seriously.
The wall is less about actually keeping people out, as it is a symbol what awaits those who breech it.
31   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 30, 12:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
What is the better solution?


Land mines at the border. Cheaper too.
32   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 30, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.


Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.

Why is that?
33   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 12:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says

Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.

Why is that?


Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period. It's like building a dam across the widest part of the Amazon river--you argue that a Dam worked on a creek in Michigan so therefore this Dam spanning the widest part of the Amazon also will work.
34   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Jul 30, 1:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No Pesos.
35   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 1:10pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
CovfefeButDeadly says
What is the better solution?


Land mines at the border. Cheaper too.


Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?
36   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?



We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.

Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.

"White House Pulling Back on E-Verify to Get Democratic Votes"
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/white-house-pulling-back-on-e-verify-to-get-democratic-votes
37   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 30, 1:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
MrMagic says

Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.

Why is that?


Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period.


Is that a "Truth by Proclamation", because you certainly didn't provide a shred of evidence to support it.

Seems to work in these countries..

MrMagic says


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

Those pesky facts...
38   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does under construction = works? OK then.
39   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 30, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Does under construction = works? OK then.


LeonDurham says
All strawman arguments, all the time.
40   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 2:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        



(Hope I'm not reposting one of Booger's)
41   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says


This list excludes the massive wall on the Jordan-Syrian border, hundreds of miles through mostly absolute desert, and built with $$$ from the Obama Era.

Even has a pedestrian radar and sound sensors that detect vehicle and foot traffic.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out
42   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Jul 30, 2:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says


Trump is painting in a happy wall.
43   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 3:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Please explain opposition to Trump's wall
Will lower Democrat voting base.
44   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 12:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.

Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no specific federal statute that sanctuary cities violate no matter how much trump froths at the mouth about it. I know it's tough to accept but people have to violate a law to be arrested even democrats under trump.

My party is independent and I usually vote R. Not trump R though. The justice department which is who would be going after employers is under the executive branch which is the branch trump is in charge of. I'm surprised you don't know that. The laws against hiring illegals are on the books already. There is nothing preventing enforcement, least of all the democrats..

Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
45   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Jul 31, 3:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

AMERICA! needs to guarantee that sub-human invaders will die grisly deaths if they approach the border and that means regular devastating carpet bombing of the entire border at least three times a day.

Customs can sell tickets and the border can be managed as a National Park of Dead Fucking Diseased Invaders. For an extra fee, PATRIOT!s can take a shift at one of the gun emplacements to pick off survivors of the regular bombing runs.

WIN!-WIN!
46   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 31, 7:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.


Are they MS13 members and drug mules or dealers too?
47   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Jul 31, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.


I remember when Bush Sr. was in office our neighbor was an Israeli who owned a Flee Market schmatha business. He had a few friends from Israel come over to help him. They came on a visitors Visa. Our government didn't fuck over Americans back then with Foreign Work visas to put Americans out of work. They just off shored the work.
Barazani was a cool guy, likable but after about 6 months past his Visa expiration. The INS(the old ICE) first started sending letters, then came looking for him. One Day Doran came home from the Flea Market and said Barazani was nabbed at work and deported.
48   BlueSardine   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It'll keep them in for prosecutorial purposes...

bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.
49   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Jul 31, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Still no pesos.
50   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Jul 31, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Also remember that Jerry Seinfeld episode where Apu was deported? Before Bush Jr. and especially Obama we used to deport illegal aliens.
I remember when Chrome detention center in Miami was used to house illegal aliens that got pulled over by the police in traffic. If it was determined they were here illegally they would get hauled off to Chrome and deported about a month later.
51   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 31, 3:30pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.
52   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 31, 5:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.


And think of the numbers in housing that might become available. Granted it's not prime choice, but rent $ for the bottom 1/3rd might become more affordable again....

Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
53   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 5:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Less cheap labor for left to hire, while replacing Americans. That’s the reason, which left will forever deny.
54   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 5:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ForcedTQ says
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.


It'll be great for soyboys to get a copy of Time Life Home Repair.

"Clogged Sink. This is Draino."
"OMG, that sooooo looks like a dangerous chemical."
"Pour it down the sink."
"Don't I need a gas mask?"
55   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 31, 5:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?
56   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 31, 6:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?


From his.... oh, nevermind...

Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
57   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 31, 7:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I find that wall opposers typically fall into one of two categories:

a.) They plain and simple don’t believe there should be borders. They believe that people should’ve able to roam freely anytime anyplace.

b.) They’ve seen one too many liberal late night talk shows that say that a wall won’t keep everyone out. And because it won’t keep everyone out, it would be a failure.
58   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 31, 9:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Hassan_Rouhani says
bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?


From his.... oh, nevermind...

Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.


Does sun ever shine there?
59   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 31, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself


Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
60   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 31, 9:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Its racist! That's the lefts summary of every position.

Aka, not having a position.
61   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Hassan_Rouhani says
bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?


From his.... oh, nevermind...

Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.


Internet searches still doesn't work on your computer? You really should have that fixed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

There are lots more. I don't feel a need to link or source something that can be looked up in 2 seconds by anyone with an above room temperature IQ. Maybe I should revise that policy to accommodate the lowest common denominator on patnet.

So the question stands, what will the wall do for overstayers? Crickets chirping as always.
63   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 31, 9:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
what will the wall do for overstayers?


Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?

Perhaps just maybe the wall is more important than chasing down illegals who overstay on holiday.
64   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 6:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?


Most of the human trafficking is not from mexico. Read the report Hidden Slaves some time.

"According to the 2011 Department of State report, victims are largely from Thailand, India, Mexico, Philippines, Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, and the Dominican Republic, though U.S. citizens have also been victims of human trafficking. Relevant to people being trafficked from other countries, "[v]ulnerabilities are increasingly found in visa programs for legally documented students and temporary workers who typically fill labor needs in the hospitality, landscaping, construction, food service, and agricultural industries""

Almost all the heroin comes through ports of entry. https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/

"The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day. “Heroin seizures almost predominantly are through the port of entry and either carried in a concealed part of a vehicle or carried by an individual,” then-U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske told a congressional committee last year. “We don’t get much heroin seized by Border Patrol coming through, I think just because there are a lot of risks to the smugglers and the difficulty of trying to smuggle it through,” he said."

The wall won't stop shit as long as there are jobs for illegals. Its all just a lot of political theatre and misdirection for the base. Three card monte on a grand scale
65   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 1, 6:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
Goran_K says
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself


Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.


The amount of resources illegals suck up is more than 5 times the costs of the Wall. So Trump was right but he’s understated the costs savings by a bit.


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