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Please explain opposition to Trump's wall

By CovfefeButDeadly following x   2018 Apr 29, 1:35pm 2,104 views   70 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Again another thing I don't understand. The comments I see most often on social media have to do with unmeasurable, vague concepts along the lines of "This is how we are going to define what the United States is".

Basically rubbish like this:

Stated U.S. Rep. Filemon Vela (D-TX), who penned an infamously scathing letter to Trump slamming the border wall when Trump was still a candidate:

The border wall is a physical representation of the cultural and racial insults President Trump has spewed since his campaign announcement. A physical wall is also a wasteful expenditure of taxpayer dollars, endangers wildlife, stomps on property rights of private landowners, and isolates our partner, Mexico. Mr. Trump, you’re a racist and you can take your border wall and shove it up your ass.



https://americasvoice.org/blog/immigration-101-border-wall-terrible-idea/

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31   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 11:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.
32   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Jul 30, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.


Proof that propaganda is very effective
33   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 11:52am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.


Proof that propaganda is very effective


Talk about effective propaganda!

Building a fence is a bigger project and more complicated than the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956?

How about California's high speed rail project? Latest estimates are putting that at $77 billion while the border wall is only $21 billion.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-will-trumps-border-wall-cost/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/californias-77-billion-high-speed-rail-project-is-in-trouble.html
34   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.

It IS in the purview of the government to protect the border. It's all that entitlement crap that perpetuates victimhood and poverty that we have a problem with.
35   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 30, 11:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When you have a wall, border or a guarded premeter.
Then you take intruders and interlopers more seriously.
The wall is less about actually keeping people out, as it is a symbol what awaits those who breech it.
36   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 30, 12:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
What is the better solution?


Land mines at the border. Cheaper too.
37   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 30, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.


Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.

Why is that?
38   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 12:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says

Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.

Why is that?


Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period. It's like building a dam across the widest part of the Amazon river--you argue that a Dam worked on a creek in Michigan so therefore this Dam spanning the widest part of the Amazon also will work.
39   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Jul 30, 1:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No Pesos.
40   bob2356   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 30, 1:10pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
CovfefeButDeadly says
What is the better solution?


Land mines at the border. Cheaper too.


Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?
41   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?



We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.

Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.

"White House Pulling Back on E-Verify to Get Democratic Votes"
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/white-house-pulling-back-on-e-verify-to-get-democratic-votes
42   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 30, 1:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
MrMagic says

Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.

Why is that?


Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period.


Is that a "Truth by Proclamation", because you certainly didn't provide a shred of evidence to support it.

Seems to work in these countries..

MrMagic says


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

Those pesky facts...
43   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does under construction = works? OK then.
44   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 30, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Does under construction = works? OK then.


LeonDurham says
All strawman arguments, all the time.
45   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 2:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        



(Hope I'm not reposting one of Booger's)
46   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says


This list excludes the massive wall on the Jordan-Syrian border, hundreds of miles through mostly absolute desert, and built with $$$ from the Obama Era.

Even has a pedestrian radar and sound sensors that detect vehicle and foot traffic.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out
47   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 30, 2:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says


Trump is painting in a happy wall.
48   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 30, 3:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Please explain opposition to Trump's wall
Will lower Democrat voting base.
49   bob2356   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 31, 12:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.

Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no specific federal statute that sanctuary cities violate no matter how much trump froths at the mouth about it. I know it's tough to accept but people have to violate a law to be arrested even democrats under trump.

My party is independent and I usually vote R. Not trump R though. The justice department which is who would be going after employers is under the executive branch which is the branch trump is in charge of. I'm surprised you don't know that. The laws against hiring illegals are on the books already. There is nothing preventing enforcement, least of all the democrats..

Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
50   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (34)   2018 Jul 31, 3:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

AMERICA! needs to guarantee that sub-human invaders will die grisly deaths if they approach the border and that means regular devastating carpet bombing of the entire border at least three times a day.

Customs can sell tickets and the border can be managed as a National Park of Dead Fucking Diseased Invaders. For an extra fee, PATRIOT!s can take a shift at one of the gun emplacements to pick off survivors of the regular bombing runs.

WIN!-WIN!
51   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 31, 7:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.


Are they MS13 members and drug mules or dealers too?
52   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 31, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.


I remember when Bush Sr. was in office our neighbor was an Israeli who owned a Flee Market schmatha business. He had a few friends from Israel come over to help him. They came on a visitors Visa. Our government didn't fuck over Americans back then with Foreign Work visas to put Americans out of work. They just off shored the work.
Barazani was a cool guy, likable but after about 6 months past his Visa expiration. The INS(the old ICE) first started sending letters, then came looking for him. One Day Doran came home from the Flea Market and said Barazani was nabbed at work and deported.
53   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 31, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It'll keep them in for prosecutorial purposes...

bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.
54   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Jul 31, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Still no pesos.
55   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 31, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Also remember that Jerry Seinfeld episode where Apu was deported? Before Bush Jr. and especially Obama we used to deport illegal aliens.
I remember when Chrome detention center in Miami was used to house illegal aliens that got pulled over by the police in traffic. If it was determined they were here illegally they would get hauled off to Chrome and deported about a month later.
56   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 31, 3:30pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.
57   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 31, 5:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.


And think of the numbers in housing that might become available. Granted it's not prime choice, but rent $ for the bottom 1/3rd might become more affordable again....

Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
58   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 31, 5:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Less cheap labor for left to hire, while replacing Americans. That’s the reason, which left will forever deny.
59   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 5:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ForcedTQ says
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.


It'll be great for soyboys to get a copy of Time Life Home Repair.

"Clogged Sink. This is Draino."
"OMG, that sooooo looks like a dangerous chemical."
"Pour it down the sink."
"Don't I need a gas mask?"
60   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 31, 5:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?
61   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 31, 6:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?


From his.... oh, nevermind...

Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
62   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 31, 7:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I find that wall opposers typically fall into one of two categories:

a.) They plain and simple don’t believe there should be borders. They believe that people should’ve able to roam freely anytime anyplace.

b.) They’ve seen one too many liberal late night talk shows that say that a wall won’t keep everyone out. And because it won’t keep everyone out, it would be a failure.
63   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 31, 9:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Hassan_Rouhani says
bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?


From his.... oh, nevermind...

Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.


Does sun ever shine there?
64   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 31, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself


Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
65   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 31, 9:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Its racist! That's the lefts summary of every position.

Aka, not having a position.
66   bob2356   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 31, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Hassan_Rouhani says
bob2356 says
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa


Where is this number coming from?


From his.... oh, nevermind...

Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.


Internet searches still doesn't work on your computer? You really should have that fixed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

There are lots more. I don't feel a need to link or source something that can be looked up in 2 seconds by anyone with an above room temperature IQ. Maybe I should revise that policy to accommodate the lowest common denominator on patnet.

So the question stands, what will the wall do for overstayers? Crickets chirping as always.
68   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 31, 9:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
what will the wall do for overstayers?


Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?

Perhaps just maybe the wall is more important than chasing down illegals who overstay on holiday.
69   bob2356   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 1, 6:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?


Most of the human trafficking is not from mexico. Read the report Hidden Slaves some time.

"According to the 2011 Department of State report, victims are largely from Thailand, India, Mexico, Philippines, Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, and the Dominican Republic, though U.S. citizens have also been victims of human trafficking. Relevant to people being trafficked from other countries, "[v]ulnerabilities are increasingly found in visa programs for legally documented students and temporary workers who typically fill labor needs in the hospitality, landscaping, construction, food service, and agricultural industries""

Almost all the heroin comes through ports of entry. https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/

"The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day. “Heroin seizures almost predominantly are through the port of entry and either carried in a concealed part of a vehicle or carried by an individual,” then-U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske told a congressional committee last year. “We don’t get much heroin seized by Border Patrol coming through, I think just because there are a lot of risks to the smugglers and the difficulty of trying to smuggle it through,” he said."

The wall won't stop shit as long as there are jobs for illegals. Its all just a lot of political theatre and misdirection for the base. Three card monte on a grand scale
70   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 1, 6:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
Goran_K says
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself


Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.


The amount of resources illegals suck up is more than 5 times the costs of the Wall. So Trump was right but he’s understated the costs savings by a bit.

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