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Optimism About Korea Will Kill Us All - The first step towards peace is lowering your expectations

By Feux Follets following x   2018 May 6, 7:41am 576 views   67 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Last week’s inter-Korean summit, and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s declaration that he would “close” his nuclear test site by May, were greeted widely with celebration. But contrary to the hoopla, we have now arrived at an especially dangerous moment in Washington’s relationship with Pyongyang.

We are on the verge of letting our hopes get in the way of our survival.

But commentators in the West, hoping for a diplomatic breakthrough (whether for political or more idealistic reasons), still heard what they wanted to hear about the condition of North Korea’s program.

The whole episode reminds me of something that happened a decade ago — when North Korea agreed to demolish the cooling tower at its Yongbyon gas-graphite reactor. The demolition of the cooling tower, accomplished with great fanfare, was not, in fact, a part of the original agreement that the Bush administration had reached with North Korea. But the Bush administration went back and asked North Korea to do it because it wanted “a striking visual, broadcast around the globe, that would offer tangible evidence that North Korea was retreating from its nuclear ambitions.” In other words, it was a PR stunt — and people fell for it.

There was just one problem. Although North Korea never rebuilt the cooling tower, that didn’t stop it from it secretly restarting Yongbyon — it simply connected the reactor to a nondescript and very boring pump house it had constructed under everyone’s noses. (This was the same sort of pump house, incidentally, that North Korea helped Syria build at its secret nuclear reactor near Al Kibar.) But without the visual of Yongbyon’s cooling tower, almost no one noticed what North Korea was doing with the reactor.

Kim’s promise to close the nuclear test site doesn’t really mean much in practice, certainly not much more than the demolition of the cooling tower. The site is a few support buildings surrounded by mountains with massive tunnel complexes dug horizontally into them. Simply closing the site wouldn’t be anything like the disabling of South Africa’s nuclear test site, whose vertical shafts were filled with debris. Instead, it would be more like the closure of Degelen Mountain at the Semipalatinsk test site in Kazakhstan, which the United States helped seal after the Soviets had abandoned it. Scavengers eventually just popped open the seals, forcing the United States to reseal them and then add surveillance measures. North Korea can seal up the tunnels, but it could always unseal them later. And we should keep an eye out for the proverbial pump house. After all, it’s not like North Korea is short on mountains or labor to dig new tunnels.

North Korea has announced an end to nuclear explosive testing and the closure of its test site. This is a very good thing.

But we must be clear about what’s happening and what it means.

North Korea isn’t giving up a test site because it collapsed. North Korea agreed to stop testing because Kim is getting what he wants. The third inter-Korean summit was not premised on Kim Jong Un offering to disarm.

He has never, ever made a concrete promise to abandon his nuclear weapons program. If you read the joint statement closely, what South and North Korea have done is to take disarmament off the table as a concrete outcome and substitute a vague aspiration that at some point nuclear weapons will no longer be necessary.

Until that time, Kim is willing to agree to a much more modest series of steps — a moratorium on launches of intermediate- and intercontinental-range ballistic missiles, as well as an end to nuclear testing. Those are good things. We should appreciate them as genuine improvements to U.S. security, not something to tide the United States over until North Korea turns over missiles and nuclear warheads.

Kim is working toward winning a de facto recognition of North Korea as a nuclear power in exchange for his agreement to respect certain limits — an end to certain missile tests and nuclear explosions, an agreement not to export nuclear technology to other states, and perhaps a pledge by North Korea not to use nuclear weapons.

To accept this would represent a complete and total retreat from decades of U.S. policy — a retreat that I believe is overdue and the inevitable consequence of North Korea’s development of ICBMs and thermonuclear weapons.

We have to learn to accept North Korea as it is. And what North Korea is, is nuclear-armed.

But because it represents a retreat, we’re not acknowledging it honestly.

If Trump were to say this clearly, then I would support the old racist windbag in this pursuit. But instead, Trump and others are presenting this process as a route that leads to North Korea’s disarmament — even though Kim has said nothing that deviates from statements that every North Korean leader has made. And in our collective self-delusion, we have a surprising cheerleader: national security advisor John Bolton.

It is worth asking why Bolton is busy giving interviews in which he raises hopes for a complete elimination of North Korea’s nuclear weapons that can occur in a matter of months.

He has repeatedly called for a “Libya style” deal — one in which the United States simply shows up and collects the weapons and supporting infrastructure. And South Korean officials are also saying that Trump won’t meet with Kim without “a specific timeline for complete denuclearization: as soon as possible and no later than the end of Mr. Trump’s current term, in early 2021.”

More: http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/30/optimism-about-korea-will-kill-us-all/

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28   MrBark   ignore (0)   2018 May 24, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All we do is WIN WIN WIN! Oh wait.
29   MrBark   ignore (0)   2018 May 24, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
Feux Follets says
Anyone want to comment now how badly the thread below aged with the latest news....

http://patrick.net/post/1310205/2017-09-20-war-between-north-korea-and-the-united-states-is-inevitable

Or for that matter this one about keep expectations in check before declaring more Winning, more MAGA.

Someone (not Kim, not Xi) is getting a lesson in chess, checkers and a whole lot more and guess who is going to pay for all it ? If you are not sure, look in the mirror and then at pictures of your children and grandchildren.

Don't forget to tell them you supported the MAGA movement.



Hmmm........we got North Korea to release 3 US hostages back and also got the NORKS to blow up the tunnels to their nuclear testing facility. That is the most w...


Who cares, they blew up cooling towers and stuff in 06 under Bush. It's all symbolic. They've still got the nukes and can easily re-start production.
30   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 24, 9:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MrBark says
Who cares, they blew up cooling towers and stuff in 06 under Bush. It's all symbolic. They've still got the nukes and can easily re-start production.


Again, what has the US given up?

We got hostages back and North Korea dismantled their main nuclear testing site. Granted, that site was probably inoperable after the mountain collapsed.......but it still didn't require major concessions by the US to provide them money, fuel and food in return.
31   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 10:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump called off the meeting, not Kim.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/trump-says-singapore-summit-with-north-korea-leader-kim-is-cancelled-.html

socal2 says
Hmmm........we got North Korea to release 3 US hostages back and also got the NORKS to blow up the tunnels to their nuclear testing facility. That is the most we have gotten out of North Korea in the last 30+ years.

Which is much bigger progress than Clinton, Bush, or Obama got. But don't expect this kind of acknowledgement. The TDS Resistance would prefer somebody get Nuked than Trump succeed. Very Sad!

We'll see what happens.
32   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 10:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Pressure Flip."



Let's see where the dance leads. This is how negotiation happens in the real world over big deals, this is not John Kerry offering concession after concession, desperate to find some legacy for Obama. The plan of course is to give Kim face and have an example of a dictator who became normalized and respected for towing the US Line. The opposite way Ghaddafyi was handled by Cankles and Frantz Fanon.
34   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 4:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

socal2 says
We got hostages back and North Korea dismantled their main nuclear testing site. Granted, that site was probably inoperable after the mountain collapsed.......but it still didn't require major concessions by the US to provide them money, fuel and food in return.


And Trump got out maneuvered every step of the way but he did get a yuuggee cash influx for his Indonesian properties. Win Win !

On those concessions are you including Potus caving to Xi ? Might be a handy thing to do since we got nothing of substance.

Glad that "Main" nuclear test site was mentioned.

Last line of comment 6: If the administration persists in demanding something that North Korea won’t concede, they are setting themselves up for failure and creating the conditions for a new crisis.

Pretty much looks to me Potus is saving face any which way he can.
35   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 4:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
This is how negotiation happens in the real world over big deals


Threatening to use military action or similar in the civilian world if your demands are met?

The Corleone family had more scruples than Potus and his regime.
36   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 4:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The plan of course is to give Kim face and have an example of a dictator who became normalized and respected for towing the US Line.


That is the funniest thing I have read all week.

Never considered maybe countries are getting tired of being bullied around with the likes of Potus, Bolton and company ?

We've been through this before in the post 9-11 days and it didn't turn out well.

Kim has saved face and then some as an example of a dictator who didn't tow the US line of false promises.

This was a self inflicted wound since it was apparent demands would not be met - at least on the timeline expected in order for Potus to get his No-Bell prize and become on a par with a black man.

No prize, no photo ops, no praise from an adoring media and public so screw you Kim, summits off and I can still bomb you.
37   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 5:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Never considered maybe countries are getting tired of being bullied around with the likes of Potus, Bolton and company ?


It's funny you should mention this, since I was just thinking how much bribery Obama needed to employ to get the shitty Iran Deal he didn't dare ask the Senate to make into a Treaty. All the stuff Iran wanted was front-loaded and delivered upon agreement; compliance was spread out over years, weakened automatically over time, and didn't include ballistic missiles that are inaccurate and only reliably useful for WMD payloads.

Laughing my ass off because everything that "Can't be done" ends up getting done after a few swings around the roller coaster.

The Glee from the media is palpable, even though Trump accomplished far more than his predecessors already. It's sad when the ruling elite wants America to fail just to spite an Outsider.

Stay tuned. heh heh heh
38   mell   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 5:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Any minute
39   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 5:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Stay tuned. heh heh heh


There is a nagging feeling I have that the administration was never really serious about this once "war" cabinet came on board.

Play along just long enough to make it appear so, let Bolton run his mouth, then Pence and see if Kim will say or do something.

As soon as Kim does something or says something - it's Kim's fault ! (Potus is never ever at fault or to blame for anything)

Ready the bloody nose attack which has been the real goal the entire time however now there is an "excuse" to proceed.

Bait and switch on a global stage and now Donnie can show everyone what a real tough guy he is.

Bolton will pass out from multiple orgasms once the missiles and bombs start flying and the bodies start piling up.

Pence will invoke God and Jesus claiming the U.S. is doing the Lord's work and it's God's will after all since Kim started it.

Pompeo will be looking for away to disassociate himself from the Three Stooges...
40   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 5:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

mell says
Any minute


The clock is ticking, you are much too impatient just like Potus.

Does Potus realize starting more rounds of Regime Change is not the fast track to a No-Bell Prize ?
41   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Stay tuned. heh heh heh
mell says
Any minute


As if on cue, the North Korean Vice Foreign Affairs Minister:


"We had set in high regards President Trump's efforts, unprecedented by any other president, to create a historic North Korea-U.S. summit," he said.

"We tell the United States once more that we are open to resolving problems at any time in any way," he said.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/north-korea-says-its-still-willing-to-resolve-issues-with-us-after-trump-cancels-summit.html
"Unexpected but we still want to talk" - sez North Korea
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/24/trump-cancels-singapore-summit-meeting-north-koreas-kim-jong-un/640268002/
https://www.nknews.org/2018/05/north-korea-open-to-face-to-face-dialogue-with-u-s-at-any-time-official/

And yesterday, world press invited to witness the dismantling of the test station:
https://kcnawatch.co/newstream/1527199285-439924504/northern-nuclear-test-ground-of-dprk-dismantled/

Guess who Trump met with the other day?

And Moon said as soon as the US-ROK Joint Exercises end, Talks will resume.

Toughness gets results. This is preemption of any North Korean last minute flakiness, the DPRK was punished by Trump because it failed to show up for a preliminary meeting about having a meeting to set up the Singapore meeting. Trump is offering North Korea normalized relations with the world, Kim wants it very, very, badly.
42   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 6:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Question: Who is happy that North Korea seems to be denuclearizing, but wouldn't be happy if North Korea formally ended the war and normalized relations with South Korea and the World?

Think Global T****.

What did Trump mean in his letter when he said "Good for both parties (US and for North Korea)?"
43   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 8:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Whatever Trump is doing vis a vis NK, is obviously working. NK just said they still want to keep the hot date with Trump.
Nothing worked when Obama was negotiating. Nothing at all. Everyone knew he was a very nice guy, without the balls.
44   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 7:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Strategist says
Whatever Trump is doing vis a vis NK, is obviously working


Try whatever Trump and the Trump organization is getting or may not get from China for Potus to do his quick about face.

Kim and Moon did pull off a susprise meeting though in the last 24 hours.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/prospects-of-u-s-north-korea-summit-brighten-after-trumps-tweet-idUSKCN1IR06U

Maybe best if we stay the hell out of there for awhile and see what Moon and Kim come up with.
45   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 8:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
What did Trump mean in his letter when he said "Good for both parties (US and for North Korea)?"


Good for Potus to get photo ops, publicity and a chance at a No-Bell prize and salvage the value of those challenge coins that were made up for the summit.

Probably more investment dollars from the Chinese for things Trump related as well.

Kim- keeps his nukes, agrees to a freeze, more assistance from China and Russia.
46   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 8:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Toughness gets results


So does flattering the Golden Golem of Humility.

What is the world going to do when Trump leaves office ? The oceans' tides will no longer function, the phases of the moon will stop, gravity will be in danger, there is no telling what will occur when someone this great and humble leaves the world to it's own devices.
47   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 8:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Strategist says
Whatever Trump is doing vis a vis NK, is obviously working


Try whatever Trump and the Trump organization is getting or may not get from China for Potus to do his quick about face.

Kim and Moon did pull off a susprise meeting though in the last 24 hours.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/prospects-of-u-s-north-korea-summit-brighten-after-trumps-tweet-idUSKCN1IR06U

Maybe best if we stay the hell out of there for awhile and see what Moon and Kim come up with.


These politicians are playing games. NK was testing Trump to determine how much they could get out of the negotiation.
48   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 8:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Strategist says
NK was testing Trump to determine how much they could get out of the negotiation


As much as they want provided Trump gets all of his investment money that China promised him and a No-Bell Prize so he won't get outdone by a black man.

Trump is so far out of his league right now it is pathetic. He is being played on the world's stage for exactly what he is (it's not positive) and now there is a mad scramble for him to look good again - i.e. save face.

Trump bet Kim would back out - he didn't and Trump did.

Kim outflanked him again and came right back saying it was still a go - thus leaving someone with egg and more on his face.
50   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 3:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Well, that's that. Moon and Kim met again, after the latest US-ROC exercise, and the talks about the meeting in Singapore continue.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kim-jong-un-south-koreas-moon-meet-amid-uncertainty-over-u-s-summit-1527334020



Lightsaber goes to China early next month, so probably Kim is getting pulled in different directions, with the Chinese wanting to use him to keep as much of the Clinton-Bush-Obama Freely Trade America Away Policy as possible. Lightsaber continues to play hardball regardless. Expect more Chinese concessions.

After decades of Neoliberal Management, and total failure in Korea (and elsewhere), Trump pre-empted the old "Last Minute Backout" by backing out first, though I think this was more aimed at China than DPRK.

Lefties, don't you learn? Always wait 48 hours after a Trump move.

Betcha some of these leaks come straight from the Oval Office just to embarrass the media.
51   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 3:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Have you ever heard North Korea say "Sorry" about not having a meeting and "Appreciated" or "Looking Forward" to efforts by a US President aka "Trump Method", in reference to anything involving the USA?



The times they are a-changin', and from Transsexual Rights Trumping Trade for Millions to Foreign Policy, it's sad that many Proggies don't get it.
52   mell   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 3:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The times they are a-changin', and from Transsexual Rights Trumping Trade for Millions to Foreign Policy, it's sad that many Proggies don't get it.


German government-run ARD aired a piece about the Iran situation "what if Trump is right?" painting a picture of him having likely made the right choice, having some good foreign politics experts and historians interviews that are very critical of the mainstream kumbayah attitude and Obummers miserable deal. Couldn't believe it but it happened. Times must be changing indeed. MAGA!
53   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 5:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Have you ever heard North Korea say "Sorry" about not having a meeting and "Appreciated" or "Looking Forward" to efforts by a US President aka "Trump Method", in reference to anything involving the USA?


By now it would seem vitually every grade schooler know the Golden Golem of Humility and Greatness is easily swayed by flattery.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Lightsaber goes to China early next month


More like "dimbulb" or even "wetbulb" - light saber ? RFLMAO

Once again it would bear repeating - keep the expectations low, very very low.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Trump pre-empted the old "Last Minute Backout" by backing out first, though I think this was more aimed at China than DPRK.


And promptly got bushwhacked (no pun intended) by Kim not firing off a round of stupidity and instead being the consummate diplomat and grownup.

The base better hope this doesn't move beyond Chinese Checkers into a chess game.

Then again Bolton has yet to be heard from or his sidekick Pence. These two are like "after" and "birth".

Keep the expectations low, very very low and pray Donnie is not wearing flavored shoes.
54   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 5:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

mell says
German government-run ARD aired a piece about the Iran situation "what if Trump is right?"


What did they say about Hitler ?

Everyone keeps forgetting Potus will act on the last thing he hears that registers and should that be Bolton - well.....
55   mell   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 5:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
mell says
German government-run ARD aired a piece about the Iran situation "what if Trump is right?"


What did they say about Hitler ?

Everyone keeps forgetting Potus will act the last thing he hears that registers and should that be Bolton - well.....


lol at invoking Godwins law again. Everyone who doesn't agree with me is literally Hitler. Look, the Iran deal was a shitty deal that did nothing to prevent them from becoming more aggressive or slowing down on their weapons programs. And Obummer sent suitcases full of money! Trump is doing the right thing here and more and more are acknowledging it.
56   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 5:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

mell says
lol at invoking Godwins law again. Everyone who doesn't agree with me is literally Hitl


Show me where I stated that, I did not even infer that.

Perhaps a response instead of a reaction would be more appropriate.

I did however ask what the ARD had to say about Hitler.
57   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 5:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

mell says
Trump is doing the right thing here and more and more are acknowledging it.


More and more neocons and Bolton fans ?
58   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 5:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

mell says
And Obummer sent suitcases full of money!


Dubya sent it by the planeload - and the point is ?

Trump is on the dole from the Chinese, the House of Saud and anyone else who can use him to get something they want.
59   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 May 26, 6:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

mell says
lol at invoking Godwins law again

You beat me to it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
60   mell   ignore (1)   2018 May 26, 6:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Dubya sent it by the planeload - and the point is ?


W = equally bad

Feux Follets says
Trump is on the dole from the Chinese, the House of Saud and anyone else who can use him to get something they want.


There is some serious reform going on at the Saudis, which cannot be said for Iran.
61   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 May 26, 8:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Trump is on the dole from the Chinese, the House of Saud and anyone else who can use him to get something they want.


Rachel Maddow, is that you?
62   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 27, 6:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

The base better hope this doesn't move beyond Chinese Checkers into a chess game.

Then again Bolton has yet to be heard from or his sidekick Pence. These two are like "after" and "birth".

Keep the expectations low, very very low and pray Donnie is not wearing flavored shoes.
63   mell   ignore (1)   2018 May 27, 1:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Any minute now
64   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 May 27, 2:08pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What about now? Are we dead yet?
65   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 27, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hmmm, things seem to be on track. Kim and Moon had more huggies, and it looks like Singapore is still on.
66   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 27, 2:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I so hope this works out, if it does, the Media and the Dems will have to eat a Double Decker shit sandwich and every claim going forward from then about how Trump is an idiot with just Fool's Luck will be laughed off the television.
67   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 May 27, 3:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Optimism About Korea Will Kill Us All


Yes, did you see how they wiped Guam off of the face of the Earth?

North Korea Says It Will Attack U.S. Territory of Guam If Trump Keeps Tweeting Threats
North Korea has renewed its threat to attack the U.S. island territory of Guam with missiles, warning that President Donald Trump's social media antics and military moves are pushing Pyongyang over the edge.
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-attack-us-territory-guam-trump-keeps-tweeting-threats-684716

Oh, wait.... Guam is still here...

Feux Follets says
Keep the expectations low, very very low and pray Donnie is not wearing flavored shoes.


Compared to what, listening to FAKE news?

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