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Residents fear Amazon HQ will just make things worse

By tovarichpeter following x   2018 May 13, 9:02am 1,777 views   31 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


https://www.washingtonpost.com/

How can the D.C. region absorb an Amazon headquarters if it can’t cope now with gridlock and housing costs?
Reverend H. Lionel Edmonds is concerned about the impacts of Amazon relocating to the area. (Evelyn Hockstein/For The Washington Post)


1   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 May 13, 9:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor living and see how quickly they'll rethink their "concerns".
2   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2018 May 13, 9:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CFortWayne says
Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor


Companies moving in and creating higher rents and worse traffic
3   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 May 13, 9:14am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor living and see how quickly they'll rethink their "concerns".


Do they want jobs and prosperity, or not? They complain when jobs are scarce, they complain when jobs come to their doorstep, they complain complain complain. Fucking whiners. Should Amazon move to Mexico? Manufacturing too?
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 May 13, 9:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Unless Trump finishes up everything on his list, I doubt he will address RE affordability.
Hopefully the President that wins by a landslide in 2024, will use the Progress Trump made by promising a building boom so big, and adds so many new towns and new roads to get to them. That it creates a mass exodus out of the volatile markets. That even the Bay area crashes and can't muster more than $200K for a 1200 Sqft 50 year old house.
5   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2018 May 13, 9:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
FortWayne says
Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor living and see how quickly they'll rethink their "concerns".


Do they want jobs and prosperity, or not? They complain when jobs are scarce, they complain when jobs



Jobs are not scarce in Washington DC, or SF, or Seattle, etc etc. Jobs are scarce in Detroit, St. Louis, and the red states where affordable housing is also plentiful.
6   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 May 13, 10:14am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They should be worshiping Amazon. For the most lazy worthless fucks in this country Amazon Prime EBT is just 5.99. Now deadbeats can SNAP up there snacks without even getting off their couch.
7   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2018 May 13, 10:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“Share and spread the wealth” where they need and want it, not where they don’t.
8   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (4)   2018 May 13, 10:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
Strategist says
FortWayne says
Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor living and see how quickly they'll rethink their "concerns".


Do they want jobs and prosperity, or not? They complain when jobs are scarce, they complain when jobs



Jobs are not scarce in Washington DC, or SF, or Seattle, etc etc. Jobs are scarce in Detroit, St. Louis, and the red states where affordable housing is also plentiful.


This is where the government needs to step in and clear these areas from violent gangs. These fucks are unemployable by Amazon (or any kind of outfit really) and the people who are don't want to live in gang-infested shitholes. Cheap housing doesn't mean much when you need to sleep in an iron bathtub every night to avoid getting hit by a random "flier".
9   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2018 May 13, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There are violent gangs in SF. They even control the major public transportation system. It has no bearing on tech jobs or rents
10   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (4)   2018 May 13, 10:56am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
There are violent gangs in SF


Child's play compared to Detroit. For now. If it gets to the level of Detroit all bets are off.
11   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 May 13, 11:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
Unless Trump finishes up everything on his list, I doubt he will address RE affordability.
Hopefully the President that wins by a landslide in 2024, will use the Progress Trump made by promising a building boom so big, and adds so many new towns and new roads to get to them. That it creates a mass exodus out of the volatile markets. That even the Bay area crashes and can't muster more than $200K for a 1200 Sqft 50 year old house.


Let the good times roll like it's 2008!

Anyone remember the post recession ghost towns from over building?
12   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 May 13, 12:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
tovarichpeter says
There are violent gangs in SF


Child's play compared to Detroit. For now. If it gets to the level of Detroit all bets are off.


If Amazon opens in Detroit, the workers will steal half the packages and sell them on Ebay.
13   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 May 13, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Amazon uses no robots giving Americans needed jobs.
Republicans are happy to give Amazon tax breaks & subsidies that the Dumbass Republican workers have to pay,out of stolen money taken from their paychecks. Where ever Amazon has job openings,Republicans are guaranteed first choice of any job.
Republicans are so stupid & TRAITORS.Those that buy Amazon's China imports are simply COMMUNIST.
Bring it on you renegade,subversive,Anti-American job destroyers.

You know to keep your mouths shut because you have nothing.
Go ahead & speak out if one has no imported goods in their homes.
Got you again,COMMUNISTS!
14   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 May 13, 2:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
Anyone remember the post recession ghost towns from over building?

They were ghost towns because all of the buyers and would be buyers all bought themselves out of a job at Big Box stores and Amazon.
They lost their job for their $199 52 inch screen TV set.
15   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 May 13, 4:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I assume they just want handouts, since they complain about jobs. Only left can take a blessing for granted and complain about it.

Strategist says
FortWayne says
Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor living and see how quickly they'll rethink their "concerns".


Do they want jobs and prosperity, or not? They complain when jobs are scarce, they complain when jobs come to their doorstep, they complain complain complain. Fucking whiners. Should Amazon move to Mexico? Manufacturing too?
16   everything   ignore (1)   2018 May 14, 10:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The goal for amazon is to have a small drop ship center in each major city, then they can have distribution points/hubs and their own fleet for deliveries, and/or contract delivery drivers like an uber. The trick with shipping is to run a tight ship. The other trick is a good communications network. I don't know why they are not rolling this out already because it's easier to start small, work the kinks out, etc.

I always thought they might be waiting with cash for recession so they can just buy out fed ex or ups, personally I'd build a new shipping network using novel new approaches to make it happen. Via smart phone applications drones would work great if they could do a payload and get over the airspace restrictions.

They are waiting for technology to catch up with what they want to do is my second best guess. On the other hand, what they've got now works pretty well being that the USPS is subsidized, it's a good deal for Amazon to just freeload off the government USPS meanwhile, or lobby, lol, most corporations do.
17   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 May 16, 8:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I live in Maryland and I'd rather this go to Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo. The state is giving away way too mucb on this deal, and the cost of living will skyrocket here, and with no increase in pay I bet (at least where I work).
18   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-reconsiders-york-headquarters-over-170533868.html

Amazon reconsiders New York headquarters over local opposition: Washington Post
19   Rin   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 8, 4:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
If Amazon opens in Detroit, the workers will steal half the packages and sell them on Ebay.


They can open in the 'burbs between the city limits of Detroit and Ann Arbor, the flagship home of the University of Michigan. Then, they'll hire both former auto workers as well as the university grads from the big school.

This would succeed as it'll provide stability to the region's housing prices while at the same time, giving the metro region a non-auto sector firm to grow with. In doing so, even the city of Detroit will start to improve as they'll be opportunity for ppl to buy at lower prices while commuting into the 'burbs for work.

And don't forget, there's legal hoeing in Windsor Ontario, just across the river from Detroit.
20   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 14, 10:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-has-a-big-problem-now-that-it-has-scrapped-plans-for-a-new-york-city-headquarters-175135403.html

Amazon has scrapped it's plans for a New York City headquarters

. The internet and cloud services beast said Thursday it will pull out of its New York City development project after significant outcry from locals and various other parties fearing big rent hikes and epic wage inflation. Not helping Amazon’s case on what has become known as “HQ2” is an alleged $4.6 billion-plus tax incentive offered to Amazon by the state government to build the campus.

“After much thought and deliberation, we’ve decided not to move forward with our plans to build a headquarters for Amazon in Long Island City, Queens. For Amazon, the commitment to build a new headquarters requires positive, collaborative relationships with state and local elected officials who will be supportive over the long-term,” Amazon said in a statement.

Amazon added “While polls show that 70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward with the project we and many others envisioned in Long Island City.”
21   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 14, 10:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why not build it in Eastern LI, Western CT, or Central NJ? Plenty of educated people, less commute, and far more enthusiasm.
22   Kakistocracy   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 19, 3:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In the biggest ever defeat for a subsidized project in history, Amazon announced February 14th that it was canceling its planned half of HQ2 for New York City, which was to receive subsidies worth at least $3.133 billion. After facing months of public opposition, the company provided a Valentine's Day present in the form of capitulation. Amazon showed that, like Electrolux, its efforts to extract maximum subsidies from 238 cities constituted corporate rent-seeking on a grand scale.

Not only did Amazon conduct an exploitative public auction for the supposedly single HQ2 facility, it furthered the impression that it was engaging in rent-seeking by its refusal to discuss alternatives with New York officials, by its absolute insistence on opposing a union for its workers, and by its sudden though not unexpected cancellation announcement. Activists scorched the firm, too, for the fact that for the second year running, Amazon will pay 0 in federal income tax despite earning $11.2 billion in profits in 2018 and $5.6 billion in 2017.

This is not to be confused with Foxconn, which is looking more and more like an economic development failure. There, it appears that the company will not be able to provide the investment and benefits it promised in Wisconsin. With Amazon, what we have is a case of the company being unwilling to continue the political battle to obtain its $3+ billion in incentives.

While Amazon is by far the largest project ever defeated, such defeats are not unprecedented. I participated in two successful campaigns in the late 1990s and early 2000s against abusive tax increment financing (TIF) projects in the St. Louis suburbs of Olivette and O'Fallon, but these were on the order of $40 or $50 million, not $3 billion.

Alas, I was also on the losing side of an exceptionally bitter battle against a TIF-funded mall in Hazelwood, Missouri, which still hurts to think about. The residents lost their homes to eminent domain, the city administration was high-handed and manipulative, and the new mall contributed substantially to the death of at least two nearby malls, part of the $2 billion retail subsidy merry-go-round during 1990-2007 documented by the East-West Gateway Council of Governments.

In addition, as Richard Florida reports at Citylab and Good Job First points out at length, the victory has also energized reformers around the country searching for a solution to the problem of corporate bidding wars. I myself have received inquiries from multiple elected officials' offices about the European Union's systematic control of investment incentives, and I know of other efforts to make the shocking subsidy and perhaps even more shocking victory against it into a national teachable moment.

For the first time in the over 20 years I have been fighting wasteful corporate subsidies, which is to say the vast majority of them, this is the first time it feels like it's possible that we could really see reform take place -- though not without a political battle royal. Buckle up!

https://www.middleclasspoliticaleconomist.com/
23   Booger   ignore (2)   2019 Feb 19, 4:19am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLearnToCode says
Why not build it in Eastern LI, Western CT, or Central NJ? Plenty of educated people, less commute, and far more enthusiasm.


Amazon wants it's HQ2 next to an existing subway station. That severely limits it's choices.
26   Kakistocracy   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 19, 4:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What type of jobs were those Booger ?

Inquiring minds would like to know - since that was the 24 x 7 mantra when Barry was in office...

How much money did the taxpayers of NYC and NY save to subsidize each of those jobs ?

It's not like Amazon is broke especially with the revelation that through various tax breaks and credits, the company will receive a tax rebate of $129 million and then not paying any taxes despite the company nearly doubling its profits to $11.2 billion in 2018, up from $5.6 billion the previous year, ITEP reported.

Why should the taxpayers be on the hook for all of these companies ?

FoMoCo has yet to disclose the dollar amount of the "incentives" they got from the State of Michigan about 18 or so months ago.
27   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 19, 6:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
Strategist says
FortWayne says
Companies moving in creating jobs and economy... what a curse it is. Have these people move to some third world country where their only choice is to grow turnips for a very poor living and see how quickly they'll rethink their "concerns".


Do they want jobs and prosperity, or not? They complain when jobs are scarce, they complain when jobs



Jobs are not scarce in Washington DC, or SF, or Seattle, etc etc. Jobs are scarce in Detroit, St. Louis, and the red states where affordable housing is also plentiful.


Texas?
28   Kakistocracy   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 19, 7:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Texas - moderately affordable housing until you add in the property taxes, home insurance, utilities etc. and then the value drops and rises on the regular boom and bust oil patch cycles.

Anyone remember the fabulous housing deals available in Louisiana and Texas in the late 1980s ?

Those were made available by people packing up their shit in U-Hauls in the middle of the night and running away from their houses because they were not only going upside down on the value, they had no job to pay for them.

There were some deals on real estate if you had money and a job.

Best of all it is coming again if you do not mind bottom feeding when the inevitable Cat 4 or 5 sets is sites on Houston and this will happen sooner rather than later.

The boom and bust cycle is already underwear way as well with all the companies involved in fracking but not yet a good time to bottom feed - give it a bit longer.

The U-Haul gambit was accompanied by literally mailing the keys to the house back to whoever held the loan.
29   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 19, 8:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Amazon is FUH FUH FASCIST!
30   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 19, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberals are stupid bunch.
31   AD   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 19, 10:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I know that area, it is called Crystal City and next to the Pentagon. It use to be the HQ for Naval Air Systems (NAVAIR) until they moved to Pax River, Maryland.

There is plenty of public transportation with the Yellow Line for the Washington DC subway system, and also there are bus routes through there.

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