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There will be no "Blue Wave", change my mind!

By Goran_K following x   2018 May 14, 8:51am 11,645 views   815 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    




Yesterday former Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris told radio host on New York's AM 970 that he believes the "blue wave" that Democrats are expecting to give them back the Senate and House will not materialize, and polling has backed him up.

Last week, CNN's mid term poll showed that Democrats only had a 3 point advantage, well within the margin of error, and considering that CNN is known for "oversampling" Democrats in its own polls, this is troubling for the DNC.

Additionally, a recent poll from Reuters (left leaning) has shown that Millennials are leaving the Democrat party in droves. Democrat membership in the 18-34 demographic (the bread and butter of the DNC) dropped 9% over the past 2 years, most of them becoming "independents".

"I think that [Democrats] see fool’s gold in these scandals," Morris said. "They’re putting everything behind the Stormy Daniels scandal and Michael Cohen … and the country doesn’t give a damn."

That's when Morris dropped his prediction.

"There is no blue wave coming," Morris exclaimed. "There is a red wave. And what makes it red is the blood of the Democratic Party."

Here's my official take. I believe the GOP will LOSE seats in the house but will not give it up to the DNC. I believe the GOP will GAIN seats in the senate, keeping their majority. This will mean that Trump will have both houses of congress for his entire term.

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441   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 20, 12:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Seriously. 5-10 posts asking for proof of “ad Homs” and then “Oh well that is too hard to read.”

lol

Owned
442   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Seriously. 5-10 posts asking for proof of “ad Homs” and then “Oh well that is too hard to read.”

lol

Owned


Can you understand it? The formatting makes it next to impossible to tell who was the actual poster.

And certainly there are many ad homs in there. Patrick said there are ZERO posts flagged that weren't personal. I say there are. Posting a sampling of the flagged posts doesn't answer that question. Especially when they are formatted in such a fashion to make it nearly impossible to decipher who was the author.
443   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 2:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Apocalypsefuck, ironically, is a great example of a poster who never gets personal with the other users


Not to mention the fact that too many times on here, he is the only one who makes any real sense. :)
444   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 20, 2:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dear God, it's Whataboutery city up there.

I wonder if there's a way to change all instances of "Whataboutery" to "CompareAndContrast"

"There you go, comparing and contrasting the foreign policy of two successive Administrations in the Middle East regarding Human Right violations, asking why the policy of general neglect was okay under one, actually TWO previous administrations, but this Administration is OrangeManBad for not imposing immediate sanctions!!! CompareAndContrast Fallacy! Pwned!!!"
445   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 20, 2:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
There has never yet been a politely expressed point of view that was censored here.


This is true.

And I used to be more on the other side of the fence, for instance pushing neutrality/inaction on Iran and Venezuela under Chavez (who had a "Touch" that Maduro did not have), my posts never got censored either way.
446   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 2:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
"There you go, comparing and contrasting the foreign policy of two successive Administrations in the Middle East regarding Human Right violations, asking why the policy of general neglect was okay under one, actually TWO previous administrations, but this Administration is OrangeManBad for not imposing immediate sanctions!!! CompareAndContrast Fallacy! Pwned!!!


Pretty sure that any time a journalist was murdered by the leader of our ally in their embassy ffs, there was an outcry.
447   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 2:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

lol--at the moderators saying they aren't censoring opposing viewpoints.

448   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 2:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Do you see what I see?



Exactly, Either Goran & Patrick are oblivious to tatu's obvious trollish behavior...or they have some reason-I-can-not-fathom in putting up with it like they have.
449   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 4:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
Pretty sure that any time a journalist was murdered by the leader of our ally in their embassy ffs, there was an outcry.


Can you please cite any examples, and did any of them affect a midterm election? Otherwise, I don't see the relevance to the OP topic, but that applies to most tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJR comments lately: rarely if ever about the thread topic.

Returning to the topic, Democrats are basically replaying the 2016 strategy, with an extra government department thrown in to address a fraction of the consequences of Obamneycare. "Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results." I would like to be proved wrong about this, because I think divided government tends to produce better judicial appointments, so I had hoped the Democrats would win the Senate. I just don't see it happening with TDS and presuming guilt instead of innocence ("WE BELIEVE ALL SURVIVORS") and so on: it didn't work in 2016, so I doubt it will work in 2018.
450   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 20, 4:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Aphroman says
Goran_K says
Aphroman, tatupu stop with the trolling. It’s getting out of hand.


I’m talking @Patrick here, it’s his site, he can speak for himself.

Or do you think he’s a little beta sissy who cannot protect himself?

That’s a big problem with right wingers these days, they think that because they are Failed Loser Beta Pussies that so everyone else is as well


Go to the discuss anything thread.


lol close to 100% of the posts contain the 'failed losers' insult. 50% an additional 'beta sissy' insult or similar. There's nobody on the other end of the spectrum coming even close. Even the duck wasn't that consistent.
451   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 4:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Otherwise, I don't see the relevance to the OP topic, but that applies to most tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJR comments lately: rarely if ever about the thread topic.


I was responding to another post which I conveniently quoted before I replied. If you have a beef with the change of topic, please take it up with the poster to which I replied.

And I believe the above is against the rules...
452   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 4:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJr, I'll repeat the question for you:

curious2 says
tatupu70 says
Pretty sure that any time a journalist was murdered by the leader of our ally in their embassy ffs, there was an outcry.


Can you please cite any examples, and did any of them affect a midterm election?


Since you failed to answer the question, it looks like the answer is no, even though you had claimed to be "Pretty sure." It isn't personal to point out that your "sure" comment is false and apparently made up out of thin air. It would be personal to say that you are also not pretty, but I have no idea about that either way.
453   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 5:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Since you failed to answer the question, it looks like the answer is no, even though you had claimed to be "Pretty sure." It isn't personal to point out that your "sure" comment is false and apparently made up out of thin air. It would be personal to say that you are also not pretty, but I have no idea about that either way.


Obviously it has never happened before, which was the point. Trying to compare the world reaction from this incident to unrelated incidents in the past is misleading at best. Not sure what this has to do with the mid-terms though.

I would agree I'm not pretty--more rugged handsome.

You missed the personal part though. It was this:

curious2 says
I don't see the relevance to the OP topic, but that applies to most tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJR comments lately: rarely if ever about the thread topic.
454   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Oct 20, 5:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Goran_K says
Aphroman says
Goran_K says
Aphroman, tatupu stop with the trolling. It’s getting out of hand.


I’m talking @Patrick here, it’s his site, he can speak for himself.

Or do you think he’s a little beta sissy who cannot protect himself?

That’s a big problem with right wingers these days, they think that because they are Failed Loser Beta Pussies that so everyone else is as well


Go to the discuss anything thread.


lol close to 100% of the posts contain the 'failed losers' insult. 50% an additional 'beta sissy' insult or similar. There's nobody on the other end of the spectrum coming even close. Even the duck wasn't that consistent.


They’re not directed at anyone in particular

It’s the same thing the right wing cult45 cucks do when referring to leftist or liberals, I’m just doing the same thing with changing the subject to Right wing tards and conservatives. Is turnabout foul play?

The Failed Losers remarks are just agreeing with Trump, there’s a lot of Failed Losers out there. As a Successful Winner, i agree with Trump, we should shit on those losers.
455   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 20, 6:02pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
They’re not directed at anyone in particular

It’s the same thing the right wing cult45 cucks do when referring to leftist or liberals, I’m just doing the same thing with changing the subject to Right wing tards and conservatives. Is turnabout foul play?


No but they are not being censored. They are all over the site. So are tats posts. Pat is pretty fair wrt free speech from my observations.
456   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 20, 7:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
Pretty sure that any time a journalist was murdered by the leader of our ally in their embassy ffs, there was an outcry.


Yet Obama and Bush were okay not to impose penalties for the execution of gays, witches, and teenage protesters either in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Not one person, multitude of individuals year after year, most notably in 2011.

That's what compare and contrast (The incorrect use of "Whataboutery") is all about.

We all know the "only thing" that "really changed" was OrangeManBad, and Saudi support for ending the Iran Deal, something many insiders leaking and working with the Washington Post were involved with and want to have as a Legacy. It's still obnoxious, but so is executing "Witches" in the 21st Century.

Now if Khashoggi was a NON-Saudi Citizen, it would be an infamous assault on diplomatic standards. But he was a Saudi Citizen on Saudi Territory (Embassies are considered respective National Territory), and not an American or Turkish Citizen.
457   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 8:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
We all know the "only thing" that "really changed" was OrangeManBad, and Saudi support for ending the Iran Deal, something many insiders leaking and working with the Washington Post were involved with and want to have as a Legacy. It's still obnoxious, but so is executing "Witches" in the 21st Century.


Nope. It's apples and oranges.

Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your Consulate after he came on the promise of getting papers so he could obtain a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.

That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. The outcry began before Trump even commented on it.

(edited so any anal retentive readers don't get all worked up)
458   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 8:43pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your embassy after he came on the promise of getting a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.


The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.
459   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 20, 8:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.


And sucking up to the world's #1 funder of terrorism is best for the United States?
460   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 20, 8:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your embassy after he came on the promise of getting a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.


Again, he's not a journalist. He's a shill. He writes opinion pieces excusing violence in the name of, and advancing the cause, of Political Islamism

And as I stated, Khashoggi was buddies WITH the terrorist funders, like Prince Turki, as well as the recipients of Turki's donations, Osama bin Laden. He's against MbS and the King because they're moving away from exporting extreme Wahabbism and supporting Hamas and other Islamist Groups. They're starting some slow (by necessity) Liberal reforms, but Khashoggi doesn't want Liberal Reforms, he wants Political Islamist "Reforms".
461   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 6:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says


Again, he's not a journalist. He's a shill. He writes opinion pieces excusing violence in the name of, and advancing the cause, of Political Islamism


lol--so are you the ultimate decider of who is and who isn't a journalist?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
And as I stated, Khashoggi was buddies WITH the terrorist funders,


Sounds like he was friends with someone 20 years ago who may or may not have funded terrorism. Is that the best you've got? Surely today's Republican talking points will be better.
462   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Oct 21, 7:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

personal
463   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Oct 21, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
tatupu70 says
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your embassy after he came on the promise of getting a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.


The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.


Well then why are Republicans thwarting our Sovereignty in the name of treaties with foreign countries?
464   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 21, 8:27am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphros comments are personal far more than anyone else.

Its funny watching him complain being forced to follow the rules.
465   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 21, 10:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
lol--so are you the ultimate decider of who is and who isn't a journalist?


I sure am. Khashoggi isn't the least bit objective nor does he try to be. The man waxed poetic over Hamas.

Khashoggi is a journalist the way Michael Moore and John Pilger are Journalists. Or Acost Ya is a Journalist.

OBL and Khashoggi were Lifelong Friends since they were schoolboys. Khashoggi visited OBL in Afghanistan many times in the 80s and 90s. Such good friends that Khashoggi was asked to try to bring him back from the cliff in the 90s.
466   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 21, 11:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Aphros comments are personal far more than anyone else.

Its funny watching him complain being forced to follow the rules.


Yeah chill out Aphroman or you're going to have a lot of silent replies.
467   PrivilegedtobeWhite   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 21, 12:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
Quigley says
The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.


And sucking up to the world's #1 funder of terrorism is best for the United States?
So what should the US do? Bomb Saudi Arabia? What are the options?
468   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 2:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
So what should the US do? Bomb Saudi Arabia? What are the options?


Let the USN take the entire Persian gulf. Take the oil. Sell it to China and the highest bidders worldwide. That would balance trade. This has nothing to do with Khashoggi. It is about the fact that Islam hates us. It makes no sense to pay $$$ to people who use that $ to finance terror campaigns against us. Candidate Trump said, "take the oil." He did not say buy. He said, "Islam hates us." He was right both times. If he does what he said, he'll win 2020 in a landslide. Already I think the Republicans will hold both houses in the midterms, because Democrats continue to obsess over stories that are not in the interest of American voters. American interest is to quit paying $ to people who use our $ to kill us; take the oil and sell it.

That is also what's behind the 'deep state' resistance to the President. For decades, they have cultivated relationships promoting Islamic jihadis against communists. Cutting the jihadis out of the loop would violate those relationships and end the kickbacks (baksheesh) that corrupt the swamp. Swamp creatures want their kickbacks, and sell out the USA for Petrodollars.
470   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 2:55pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.


Lol!

It has everything to do with Trump. The media is 100% OrangeManBad 24/7/365. There is an absolutely perfect correlation between whatever Trump does and whatever the media is outraged about today.

But that said, the reflexive bigotry against Trump may have a good side-effect in this case. I've been waiting since 11 Sept 2001 for the media to start telling the truth about the Saudis. They are finally doing it, albeit for the wrong reasons.

Same kind of TDS-inspired attack happened to Facebook when they dared to publicly use facts correct the media lie that Russia somehow used Facebook to swing the election. Facebook went from media darling to Satan incarnate overnight.

It's all about Trump yet again. TDS is the sole driving force of the entire Democratic Party and their wholly-owned media these days. It's so bitter and shallow and transparent as to be comical. At least this makes it very easy for Americans to know who to vote for in the midterms.
471   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 21, 3:00pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Jobs, not blobs!
474   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 4:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
It has everything to do with Trump


We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. From my seat it sure looks like Trump LOVES to play the victim and that's his schtick every time he's criticized. And it works as so many people eat it up and blame the media. It's almost pointless for the media to continue to point out his lies, because his followers don't care.
475   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 4:43pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says
It's almost pointless for the media to continue to point out his lies, because his followers don't care.


Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.

None of these types of “lies” changes any material fact that matters to Trump supporters. That’s why we don’t care about the media spin.
476   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 5:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says

Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.


No, most of the time they are outright naked lies where Trump is either just making things up out of thin air, or purposely misstating facts.
477   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 21, 5:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

President Trump is not on the ballot in the midterm. If you look at the 2016 ballot, the most honest candidates were Bernie (who got robbed) and Gary (who got 4%). In the general election, 96% of the voters chose liars. President Obama said, "All politicians lie." If Democrats' midterm strategy is to say the President lied, that seems unlikely to produce a better result than in 2016, when Democrats lost both houses of Congress.
478   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Oct 21, 5:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
tatupu70 says

That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.


Lol!

It has everything to do with Trump. The media is 100% OrangeManBad 24/7/365. There is an absolutely perfect correlation between whatever Trump does and whatever the media is outraged about today.

But that said, the reflexive bigotry against Trump may have a good side-effect in this case. I've been waiting since 11 Sept 2001 for the media to start telling the truth about the Saudis. They are finally doing it, albeit for the wrong reasons.

Same kind of TDS-inspired attack happened to Facebook when they dared to publicly use facts correct the media lie that Russia somehow used Facebook to swing the election. Facebook went from media darling to Satan incarnate overnight.

It's all about Trump yet again. TDS is the sole driving force of the entire Democratic Party and t...


How many Americans watch CNN each day?
480   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 21, 6:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.


Another thing factcheckers do is claim "We don't have the time to factcheck everything"

So they take less controversial or more fungible statements from political candidates they support, contextualize them to the hilt, and declare them mostly true 25 of 30 times.
With the ones they don't like, they do the opposite, pick out the most controversial claims, take the literal meaning whenever, and don't contextualize them at all. False 25 of 30 times.

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