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No thread about ZTE?

By anotheraccount following x   2018 May 14, 5:24pm 1,304 views   40 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Please try to defend Trump's action here.
1   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 May 14, 5:36pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why the fuck would anyone buy a phone made by a Chinese company???
2   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 May 14, 5:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
Please try to defend Trump's action here.


Whad did he do now?
3   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 May 14, 9:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
Please try to defend Trump's action here.


You can neither defend nor indict Trump given the little we know.

This type of shit should be reviewed in every possible way to make sure no quid pro quo occurs.

Where were you when wikileaks revealed HRC's dozens of conflicts of interests? In HRC's situation, we have plenty of evidence to suggest both wrongdoing and an active cover up. With Trump we have speculation. Big difference.

Anyone pissed about Trump but totes cool w HRC = hypocrite.
4   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 May 14, 9:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Americas agriculture does come first. He's working out a deal... something Democrats will never understand. Because the only thing Democrats understand is "give me, give me".
5   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 May 14, 9:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
Somewhere someone well connected was about to lose their ass or ZTE gets back in business so Potus can have some photo ops with Kim in a few weeks.


Probably something close to this. I think he owed his good buddy Xi a small win (quid pro Kim), and it’s not like we are making phones in America. Why disrupt the market?
6   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 1:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Where were you when wikileaks revealed HRC's dozens of conflicts of interests


Here. I never supported Hillary, why bring her into this? This is about Trump now.
7   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (33)   2018 May 15, 1:35am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

If TRUMPLIGULA! is not FREE! to trade favors to huns to enrich himself and destroy AMERICA!n industry, FREE!dom has no meaning.
8   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 3:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
anotheraccount says
Please try to defend Trump's action here.


You can neither defend nor indict Trump given the little we know.


Well that's new. Does that mean in the future we will be hearing the same trump syncopates say you can't defend or indict Obama/hillary/bernie/whoever given the little we know? ROFLOL.
9   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 3:06am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
Here. I never supported Hillary, why bring her into this? This is about Trump now.


Anything that reflects badly on trump requires bringing up hillary.
10   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 3:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump to Europe - If your companies even think about dealing with Iran "we will slam you".
Trump to ZTE who got convicted of dealing with Iran AND NK - no sweat I'll give you a bye.

Trump tweet “President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost,” Gee when trump promised to save jobs I thought he meant american jobs. My bad.


Lido City development in Jakarta? Billion dollars Chinese funded? Trump-branded hotels, residences and a golf course. Not a word from two scoops or usual cast of trumpets?
11   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 May 15, 5:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump is a bigtime Nationalist and he cares about us, that’s why he must save the jobs in China, but Hillary is going to prison, dear Lord, Amen!
12   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 5:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
Checked the country of origin on phone products now a days ?


My phone is made in Taiwan by a Taiwanese company. Plenty of phones that are made in China by not Chinese companies. The issue here is phones made in China by a Chinese company.
13   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 5:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Feux Follets says
Checked the country of origin on phone products now a days ?


My phone is made in Taiwan by a Taiwanese company. Plenty of phones that are made in China by not Chinese companies. The issue here is phones made in China by a Chinese company.


Wait wait let me guess, the iPhone? Foxconn is a Chinese company right?
14   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 6:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Americas agriculture does come first. He's working out a deal... something Democrats will never understand. Because the only thing Democrats understand is "give me, give me".


If agriculture comes first then why are crops rotting on the vine?

Maybe it's time for Trumptards to just admit they have been duped.
15   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 May 15, 6:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
FortWayne says
Americas agriculture does come first. He's working out a deal... something Democrats will never understand. Because the only thing Democrats understand is "give me, give me".


If agriculture comes first then why are crops rotting on the vine?

Maybe it's time for Trumptards to just admit they have been duped.


Never!!!

Muh Hillary!!!!!!!
16   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 May 15, 6:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
anotheraccount says
Here. I never supported Hillary, why bring her into this? This is about Trump now.


Anything that reflects badly on trump requires bringing up hillary.


Yes, it's the obvious and predictable answer to Trump corruption. Don't you see ?

Trump's corruption will never compare to what Brietbart says Hillary and Bill did to get contributions to the Clinton foundation.

Also please acknowledge the class and sheer balls that Trump has ! No tax returns ever shown to the public. No divestiture from business interests. And no mamsy pamsy supposed do gooder foundation for pay to play. Just good old fashioned deals that are directly about paying him personally.

You have to admire his brazen moxie !

I'll bet Putin is impressed, and envious.
17   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 6:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I'll bet Putin is impressed, and envious.


Impressed maybe, envious probably not. Especially if Putting is making money from all of Trumps deals.
18   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 7:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Why the fuck would anyone buy a phone made by a Chinese company???


It's like letting the Chinese have all your information. Get a phone pre-laded with Chinese spyware!
19   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 7:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
Not to mention a certain model Buick SUV !


Nobody buys those in the US.
20   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 May 15, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
anotheraccount says
Here. I never supported Hillary, why bring her into this? This is about Trump now.


Anything that reflects badly on trump requires bringing up hillary.


Nope wrong. Anything about pay for play DOES require brining up HRC though.

Trump discussion is pure speculation. There is actual evidence of pay for play w HRC that can be discussed.
21   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 May 15, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Muh Hillary!!

Muh Shemale One night stand!!!

Lmao
22   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Trump discussion is pure speculation. There is actual evidence of pay for play w HRC that can be discuss


Still waiting for all the evidence to add up to an arrest warrant or indictment. When will that be coming? All those BLOCKBUSTER revelations and no arrest. Sad.
23   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 8:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Americas agriculture does come first. He's working out a deal... something Democrats will never understand. Because the only thing Democrats understand is "give me, give me".


As much taxpayer dollars that go into corporate agriculture it damn well should come first. Especially with all those corporate farms crying give me, give me. I thought we were cleaning up the swamp? I guess that doesn't include big contributors to the republican party.
24   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 10:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't know - but assume this is part of a deal to get China on board to sort out North Korea. If true, I think it is a pretty low price to pay.
25   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 May 15, 10:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
No thread about ZTE?


Their phones suck ass, how's that?
26   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 May 15, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

My understanding that ZTE was used to demonstrate how easily US can bring to their knees even huge government-connected Chinese firms with just a flick of a finger.
27   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 22, 8:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
My understanding that ZTE was used to demonstrate how easily US can bring to their knees even huge government-connected Chinese firms with just a flick of a finger.


And Trump could not even pull that off. What a wuss.
28   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 22, 8:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
As much taxpayer dollars that go into corporate agriculture it damn well should come first. Especially with all those corporate farms crying give me, give me. I thought we were cleaning up the swamp? I guess that doesn't include big contributors to the republican party.


All that China had to do is target agriculture and Trump gave up. Sad.
29   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (33)   2018 May 22, 8:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Taking Saudi king dick up the ass and sucking Chinese dick, yeah, fucking MAGA, this cunt is all about AMERICA! FIRST, sucking SO! MUCH! DICK! on behalf of AMERICA!, it's fucking inspiring! The only threat to AMERICA! is an election!
30   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2018 May 22, 9:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks god China still can't make semiconductors. They've spent billions trying but so far that's one thing only we (and S. Korea and Japan) can make.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-29/why-can-t-china-make-semiconductors-jglgice5
31   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 22, 10:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_passing_through says
Thanks god China still can't make semiconductors.
And they still kicked Trump's ass in this negotiation. You would think them not being able to make semiconductors would give us an upper hand.
32   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 23, 8:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
Anyone still wondering why Potus and his administration is bowing to China to save ZTE ?


I don't think it's Indonesia project alone. Mnuchin is trying not to rock the corporate boat which has no real allegiance to US. Bottom line, Trump is a crappy negotiator and clearly not a billionaire if he needs small $10.5 million bribes.
33   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 May 23, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
You would think them not being able to make semiconductors would give us an upper hand.


Here is a interesting article on the evolving semi industry in China. Of course their rivals in Taiwan have long mastered this.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/semiconductors/our-insights/semiconductors-in-china-brave-new-world-or-same-old-story
34   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 May 23, 9:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Interesting evolution of talking points: from "nothing can be done on trade because it's impossible" to "much more could've been done".
35   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 23, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
Interesting evolution of talking points: from "nothing can be done on trade because it's impossible" to "much more could've been done".
Who said that? Most people on this board on both sides have been saying that China is a problem. Trump is doing a disservice to the country by starting something he can't finish. It's worse than inaction because poor negotiation likes this makes China stronger.
36   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 May 23, 8:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
poor negotiation likes this makes China stronger.


This is a fallacy, IMO: how does getting trade concessions in exchange to, say, not completely destroying ZTE is "making China stronger"? If anything it makes them weaker as it confirms that they can be pressured via threatening their companies dependent on US tech. They have nothing to hit back with and it became painfully obvious.
37   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 23, 8:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
getting trade concessions
What trade concessions exactly did we get? I thought he wanted to reduce the trade deficit by something like $300B.
38   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 May 23, 8:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
Hassan_Rouhani says
getting trade concessions
What trade concessions exactly did we get? I thought he wanted to reduce the trade deficit by something like $300B.


Loosening of ag and auto exports. And Chinese got nothing. Getting nothing doesn't make one "stronger".
As for reducing the deficit by $300B: this is a move in that direction. The same move can be done over and over again using many US-dependent Chinese companies as leverage.
39   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There goes the argument that China was helping Trump with North Korea.
40   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 24, 10:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
There goes the argument that China was helping Trump with North Korea.


Looks more like NK was helping china with trump. 9D chess oriental style.




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