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By Feux Follets following x   2018 May 14, 6:36pm 320 views   11 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Salafi-Jihadism: The History of an Idea.

In the recent flood of accounts of radical Islam, this one stands out.

Maher’s compelling exploration of Salafi jihadism achieves a level of clarity that perhaps could be produced only by someone who, like Maher, once adhered to that strain of thought. The book is exceptional also in its focus on theology: although Maher is a specialist in jihadist radicalization, he dwells little on jihadists’ motivations, paying much more attention to their beliefs.

Salafi jihadism rests on five doctrinal building blocks that together create a coherent and consistent ideology: jihad (holy war), tawhid (the oneness of God), hakimiyya (true Islamic government), al-wala wal-bara (loyalty to divine truth and disavowal of untruth and polytheism), and takfir (the naming of disbelievers). (There are some partially irreconcilable tenets, however, when it comes to the killing of innocents.) This extremist creed reflects core Islamic beliefs.

But the contemporary appeal and spread of Salafi jihadism have been most profoundly shaped by the civil war in Algeria in the 1990s, the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, and the ongoing turmoil in Afghanistan.

The unending conflict in Syria will lead to the further refinement and growth of this form of radicalism, and not to its demise

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/2017-08-15/salafi-jihadism-history-idea

The Salafist Movement By Bruce Livesey. An examination of the ideology that has inspired the global jihad and the emergence of its most dangerous incarnation.

When Gilles Kepel was researching a book about the origins of the global jihad movement back in the 1980s, he recalls rarely coming across Muslim fundamentalists known as "Salafists" living in Europe. "The ones who were prevalent … were totally apolitical and they didn't deliver theoretically or in terms of doctrine," he says.

Salafism is an ideology that posits that Islam has strayed from its origins. The word "salaf" is Arabic for "ancient one" and refers to the companions of the Prophet Mohammed. Arguing that the faith has become decadent over the centuries, Salafists call for the restoration of authentic Islam as expressed by an adherence to its original teachings and texts. "Salafists originally are supposedly not violent," Kepel explains. "They are not advocating the revolt against one who holds power, against the powers that be. They are calling for re-Islamization at the daily level."

By the mid-'90s, Kepel saw an alarming change among Europe's Muslims. Increasingly he was coming across Salafists who had embraced jihad -- in other words, who felt violence and terrorism were justified to realize their political objectives. Kepel explains that when Salafists, who tend to be alienated from mainstream European society, meet and mingle with jihadists, it fuses into a volatile mixture. "When you're in the state of such alienation you become easy prey to the jihadi guys who will feed you more savory propaganda than the old propaganda of the Salafists who tell you to pray, fast and who are not taking action," he says. "And this is why the [Islamist terrorists] who had been arrested were often good Salafists in the beginning."

Kepel labeled these Muslim fundamentalists "Salafist jihadists", a term that he extends to include the followers of Al Qaeda. Salafist jihadists are now a burgeoning presence in Europe, having attempted more than 30 terrorist attacks among E.U. countries since 2001.

While European counterterrorism experts recognize that Salafist jihadism is an ideological movement with deep religious and historical roots, they feel that their counterparts at the FBI and American intelligence agencies don't share this understanding. "I began using the word Salafi and Salafists in 1997 in meetings in Washington and nobody raised the word and asked what does it mean," says Xavier Raufer, a Paris-based expert on Islamic terrorism who has close ties to France's intelligence community. "And I used it and wrote it many times, and the first response they had was when Ahmed Ressam [who planned to attack Los Angeles International airport] was arrested in1999. I had a friend in Washington who called me and said, 'What is that word you were using, "Salafist?"' They didn't know that such a thing existed."

Overall, experts warn that the Salafist jihadist movement will remain a pervasive and difficult threat to nullify. "They are against European democracy," declares Gilles Kepel. "They would rather build citadels of jihad within Europe out of which to reach out not only to the young, deprived people of Muslim descent who live in European suburbs, but also to reach out to what is happening in the Middle East. And this is the major battle."

Much More: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/special/sala.html

#Salafist #Jihad #ItAintOver #MissionNotAccomplished #Islam #PipeDreamsInTheWest

1   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 14, 7:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
"They are against European democracy," declares Gilles Kepel. "They would rather build citadels of jihad within Europe out of which to reach out not only to the young, deprived people of Muslim descent who live in European suburbs, but also to reach out to what is happening in the Middle East. And this is the major battle."


Remember when the Bush administration was routinely mocked for saying the same thing.........15+ years ago?

They really do "hate us for our freedoms".
2   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 15, 4:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
Remember when the Bush administration was routinely mocked for saying the same thing.........15+ years ago?


You really have your history confused. Bush said secular Iraq was a terrorist threat and extremist salafi/wahabbi (the guys who took down the WTC) KSA was our ally. You do remember we attacked Iraq don't you? The bush adminstration didn't have a clue what the religous/ethinic groups were in the middle east or in afghanistan/pakistan. Which is why we are still fighting in both places. Read Black Flags or Directorate S to find out how horrifingly ignorant and arrogent things really were in the bush adminstration as we marched off to war. The people who were actually experts got ignored and/or pushed out because they didn't have the message that bush/cheney/rumsvelt wanted to hear.

Pretty odd the words Saudi Arabia don't appear anywhere in an article about salafi the largest religious group in the country.
3   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 5:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Pretty odd the words Saudi Arabia don't appear anywhere in an article about salafi the largest religious group in the country.


We must not upset one of our staunchest allies in the fight against terror.
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 May 15, 8:56am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

That whole region should be the world's largest piece of glass by now.
5   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
You really have your history confused. Bush said secular Iraq was a terrorist threat and extremist salafi/wahabbi (the guys who took down the WTC) KSA was our ally.


Nope. He was talking about radical Islamists like Al Qaeda. People like you mocked him back then, and now are trying to revise history. Here is a video, long before the Iraq war.

bob2356 says
Read Black Flags or Directorate S to find out how horrifingly ignorant and arrogent things really were in the bush adminstration as we marched off to war. The people who were actually experts got ignored and/or pushed out because they didn't have the message that bush/cheney/rumsvelt wanted to hear.


I read the non-partisan Pulitzer Prize winning "Looming Tower" soon after 9/11 by Lawrence Wright. I'd argue that it is the bible in terms of documenting the rise of Wahabbi and Salafist Islam. The Bush Administration was well versed in what was what.
6   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 May 15, 9:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"The Bush Administration was well versed in what was what."
Iraq has WMD!

Those alive today who support Bush/Reps must not have died based on a LIE.
Republicans may not destroy America but did a good job killing 4800 American servicemen.
7   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 10:00am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Funny how TPB continues to pollute threads with foolishness when he is on ignore.

Some people would take a gentle hint - others not so much.
8   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 15, 10:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HEYYOU says
Those alive today who support Bush/Reps must not have died based on a LIE.


ISIS monkey said what? Why do Leftists (and infowar righties) insist on aping Islamist propaganda when it is so easy to check?
9   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 May 16, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says

Nope. He was talking about radical Islamists like Al Qaeda. People like you mocked him back then, and now are trying to revise history. Here is a video, long before the Iraq


Omg, a 20 second videos of bush saying bad people took down the WTC is proof that bush know what was what. That's really friggin funny.

socal2 says


I read the non-partisan Pulitzer Prize winning "Looming Tower" soon after 9/11 by Lawrence Wright. I'd argue that it is the bible in terms of documenting the rise of Wahabbi and Salafist Islam. The Bush Administration was well versed in what was what.


Not a bad book, but limited in scope and time. A good look at at time and place, but a very narrow focus on Al Qaeda. There are much better books with a lot wider focus on the entire spectrum of radical islam and jihaddism.

So was this the bush adminstration that made the laughably absurd claim that hussein, the most secular leader in the islamic word and a shia, was cooprating with Al-Zarqawi, the most radical sunni islamic jihadist. Then sent Powell to embarress himself at the UN repeating it while Al-Zarqawi was actually hiding in the the Kurdish badlands trying not to be killed by hussein's security forces. That well versed bush adminstration?

Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated in collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaida lieutenants. When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq. He traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment, staying in the capital of Iraq for two months while he recuperated to fight another day. During this stay, nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there. These Al Qaida affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they've now been operating freely in the capital for more than eight months. Powell UN Security Council Feb 5 2003.

socal2 says
ISIS monkey said what? Why do Leftists (and infowar righties) insist on aping Islamist propaganda when it is so easy to check?


Huh? This is proof of what? Some qoutes by people taken in by bad or misrepresented intelligence? The 1998 quotes are totally out of context. Here is clintons actual speech. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/ With the rest of the speech around it the quote has a totally different meaning from your clip. Nice try, good propaganda.

Yes there was lots of bad or misrepresented intelligence. Any intelligence the bush admistration didn't want to hear they simply ignored. I think it was black flags that detailed cheney's meeting with the heads of the CIA about Al-Zarqawi before powel's speech. Cheney listened to 2 hours of detailed documented intelligence about how Al-Zarqawi wasn't cooperating with hussein. The he stood up, said "that's wrong", and walked out.
10   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 May 16, 9:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal @ 8

Can't believe Republicans are such suckers as to go along with Democrats & had no way to stop the invasion.

Thought about posting Republicans testifying before Congress about the Democratic LIE.
Democratic involvement doesn't change the guilt of Republicans. Killers have to kill.
Presidents are in charge of the military,no one else. They choose to give the order to kill.
Americans death's in Iraq are all on the Republican Party's President.
Republicans think war doesn't have to be paid for.
Easy for the Rep/Con slime to attack a sovereign nation that can't strike back. They be so brave.

Wish Kennedy had ordered a nuclear attack on Russia. Democrats are pussies.

We need another law,anyone that voted for The Lie could be shot down in the streets,with no repercussions to the hero shooter.
11   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 16, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
So was this the bush adminstration that made the laughably absurd claim that hussein, the most secular leader in the islamic word and a shia,


Huh? Saddam Hussein was a Sunni. Do you not recall the attempted genocide of the Shia and Marsh Arabs during the 1990's? How about the Iran/Iraq war?

Many of Saddam's senior Baathist military leaders ended up becoming high ranking members of ISIS.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-saddams-former-soldiers-are-fueling-the-rise-of-isis/

Besides, it's a myth that the Sunnis and Shia's can't get along if they are fighting against a bigger enemy like the West. Right now Iran's Shias are backing Hamas Sunnis against Israel, despite the Palestinians supporting Saddam and the Sunnis during the Iraq/Iran war.

We also learned last year after Trump ordered the release of the captured Bin Laden documents that Iran was helping Al Qaeda and ISIS. No wonder Obama kept these classified as he was desperate for his Iran deal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/newly-released-bin-laden-document-describes-iran-al-qaeda-link-n816681




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