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It's Over: Giuliani sez Mueller Will Not Indict Donald James Trump

By TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy following x   2018 May 16, 2:58pm 595 views   82 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told Fox News Wednesday that special counsel Robert Mueller has told the president's legal team he will follow Justice Department guidance and not seek an indictment against Trump.

Giuliani, himself a former federal prosecutor and mayor of New York City, also told Fox that Mueller's investigators have not responded to five information requests from the president's team. That has forced Trump's legal team to push off making a decision about whether the president will sit for an interview with the special counsel -- a decision they had hoped to reach by Thursday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/16/mueller-told-trumps-legal-team-will-not-indict-president-giuliani-tells-fox-news.html

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1   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 May 16, 3:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Bbbbut... muh Mueller!
2   Tenpoundbass   ignore (9)   2018 May 16, 4:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

There's nothing to indict, the Liberals have been trying to scuttle the investigation for 6 months or more. Every time they leak some bullshit that would give Trump reason well within the Law to fire everyone involved. That's what they need that is their only play. They wind it down, or Trump will do some bad things to them all. They want Trump to fire people so the Deep State loyalist bitches can run their Impeach Trump for obstruction game. Trump is going to leave this steaming pile of shit sitting on the counter right where they put it. It's their mess they have to clean it up, Trump isn't the garbage boy. But Trump will use this pile of shit to beat the hell out of the Democrats in November. Then the Loyalist we vote in, will do the firing for him, and close the case and exonerate everyone Mueller's witch hunt impugned.
3   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 May 16, 6:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All this winning makes a boring forum
4   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 May 16, 6:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The states may destroy everyone of the Trump trash while a constitutional crisis is settled in the SCOTUS.
Trump probably won't give a damn who around him is locked up.
5   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 May 16, 6:25pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"This case is essentially over," Giuliani said. "They're just in denial.


The whole circus was a fraud perpetrated by sore losers. The public understands.
7   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 May 16, 6:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Woah, a wedding ring?

Who would marry her?
8   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2018 May 16, 6:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

She's really resilient.

You can go home to a women who loves to fuck and can take everything you've got.

And her business is consistently in the black.

What's not to love?
9   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 May 16, 6:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Those of us who pay attention to the real (so called fake) news have known that an indictment was always unlikely. The most likely end game is a report to Congress, and let the voters decide.
Hopefully, it is before the next election.
10   clambo   ignore (4)   2018 May 16, 9:41pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Of course, Mueller has a grasp of the obvious.

1. A sitting president cannot be indicted.

2. Nothing the president is being accused of is a crime. Even if he had constant contact with evil Russians, Hungarians, Iranians, or Martians about how to win an election, he broke no law.

What is disturbing is that it has been revealed that the Obama FBI was spying on a candidate for president months before the election. This reminds me of something that happens in places where they grow and export bananas.
11   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (3)   2018 May 16, 10:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

clambo says
Of course, Mueller has a grasp of the obvious.

1. A sitting president cannot be indicted.

2. Nothing the president is being accused of is a crime. Even if he had constant contact with evil Russians, Hungarians, Iranians, or Martians about how to win an election, he broke no law.

What is disturbing is that it has been revealed that the Obama FBI was spying on a candidate for president months before the election. This reminds me of something that happens in places where they grow and export bananas.


If President Obama was a Republican, the press would be calling for his head.
12   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 2:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It ain't over till the fat lady-Rosie O'Donnell- sings. lets see. Guiliani is going bare knuckles and the coup is being exposed-at this point maybe after mid terms-SEssions the old goat needs to go.
13   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 5:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Patrick says
The whole circus was a fraud perpetrated by sore losers. The public understands.


Such a simple statement but full of so many untruths.

1. The public is strongly in favor of Mueller's investigation continuing. And Mueller's favorability is consistently higher than Trumps. This has been shown in poll after poll. The public wants to know the truth.
2. The investigation was driven by Republicans from day one. And ONLY Republicans. Sessions, Rosenstein, Comey, Mueller. All Republicans.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told Fox News Wednesday that special counsel Robert Mueller has told the president's legal team he will follow Justice Department guidance and not seek an indictment against Trump.


First off--Giuliani is not exactly the most reliable source of information on this case as he's already lied multiple times (by his own admissions).

But, even if you believe him, all he's saying is that Mueller won't indict Trump because he's not sure about the power of the special counsel to indict. And doesn't want to start a Constitutional crisis. Instead he'll forward the report of Trump's crimes to the House for Impeachment. It says NOTHING about the amount of evidence he has uncovered or the depth of crimes that may have been committed. Only that Mueller would prefer Congress pursue impeachment rather than Mueller pursuing an indictment.
14   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 6:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CovfefeButDeadly says
If President Obama was a Republican, the press would be calling for his head.


If Obama was a republican, there would be no left wing equivalent of Breitbart to make up and perpetuate the lies that you guys enjoy so much.
15   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 6:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Who knew a coup attempt in America and that pig of a constitutional scholar used our intelligence to spy on his opposition.
16   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 6:48am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

lostand confused says
Who knew a coup attempt in America and that pig of a constitutional scholar used our intelligence to spy on his opposition.


Nobody, because that is complete BS.
17   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 8:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani,


Trump only hires the best people, Giuliani, an idiot, is perhaps slightly better than Michael Cohen who is a total imbecile. Never have I seen such bad lawyering.

It has never been expected that Trump, while in office, would be indicted. Well maybe some thought (dreamed) this possible but most thought not. This is not to say that he hasn't been alleged to have committed indictable offences (that remains to be seen) but for constitutional reasons no indictment was ever likely.

Personally, as I believe any reasonable person would conclude, Trump has broken serious laws. Now it may or may not have anything to do with 2016 election but he almost certainly has been involved in multiple illegal deals in his biz. Money laundering, almost for sure. He is a grifter and a con man by trade who never thought he would win the Presidency and who isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is, but give him his due, he is an incredible promoter,

It is to remember that Mueller's basic job is to look into Russian interference in the 2016 election and prosecute crimes that are directly and indirectly related to it. This may or may not impact Trump himself, but it is far from over. Unlike Trump's so called administration which can't keep from leaking information, Mueller's team has been close to leak proof, so what we have are a slew of indictments and several guilty pleas as he conducts his investigation but no real knowledge of how far along he is. As Trump himself says "we will see"
18   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 8:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sounds like desperation to me. Giuliani is Trump's special lil' boot licker and of course he's gonna shill for the big orange turd.

But anyway... this has zilch to do with the investigation's findings and more to do with how sitting presidents can be indicted. Basically Mueller doesn't have the procedural ability to indict, even if he has the evidence sufficient enough to do so.

From CNN:
"That conclusion is likely based on longstanding Justice Department guidelines. It is not about any assessment of the evidence Mueller's team has compiled.
A lack of an indictment would not necessarily mean the President is in the clear. Mueller could issue a report making referrals or recommendations to the House of Representatives. "

So let's assume that at the end of the day Mueller finds evidence that Trump used his lawyer to bribe Stormy Daniels to affect the outcome of the election. He would present these findings to congress and at that point it would be up to congress to make a recommendation.

If I were a member of the GOP I'd probably be nervous. We're getting pretty close to the midterms, Trump Jr, members of the Trump campaign, his lawyer and basically everyone else have done a good job of running their mouths a lot and there is a ton of shit that is outright shady and unethical. If the bombshell hits between now and November they can expect even heavier losses than they are going to likely experience.
19   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

"2. Nothing the president is being accused of is a crime. Even if he had constant contact with evil Russians, Hungarians, Iranians, or Martians about how to win an election, he broke no law."

Oh there's plenty of things that he could be nabbed on, whether its his insistence on not separating his business affairs from his public office, bribing a porn star in a clear attempt to affect the outcome of an election, or obstruction of justice by interfering with the Russian probe. Those are just a few of the items.

The bigger question is why do Trump supporters seem so eager to be ok with all of this but yet go ape-shit over something as comparatively benign like public healthcare during the Obama years?
20   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 8:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

clambo says
Nothing the president is being accused of is a crime. Even if he had constant contact with evil Russians, Hungarians, Iranians, or Martians about how to win an election, he broke no law.


Wrong. It is a crime to conspire with agents of a foreign government to influence an election. The question is did the collusion that occurred rise to the level of conspiracy.
21   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
First off--Giuliani is not exactly the most reliable source of information on this case as he's already lied multiple times (by his own admissions).


Think Giuliani, long time Prosecutor and Mayor of NY for decades, is stupid enough to baldly lie on Television about a legal case?

Giuliani stated that Mueller's Findings are wholly exculpatory of the President. Again, an experience legal mind doesn't go on TV and say that in those exact terms if it isn't the case.

As "some" (ahem) have stated on this board, this is why Mueller is desperate for an in-person interview. He ain't got nothing, and this is a guy who hates not to put a big fish behind bars, no matter what. Ask an "associate" of Whitey Bulger who was just exonerated after years in prison.
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=5186

LeonDurham says
But, even if you believe him, all he's saying is that Mueller won't indict Trump because he's not sure about the power of the special counsel to indict. And doesn't want to start a Constitutional crisis. Instead he'll forward the report of Trump's crimes to the House for Impeachment. It says NOTHING about the amount of evidence he has uncovered or the depth of crimes that may have been committed. Only that Mueller would prefer Congress pursue impeachment rather than Mueller pursuing an indictment.


He has nothing on Trump worthy of impeachment.

The IG's report on the "Small Group" within the FBI trying to undermine the election is next. The participants are mostly still employed yet silent - can you think why that might be?
22   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 8:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says


Think Giuliani, long time Prosecutor and Mayor of NY for decades, is stupid enough to baldly lie on Television about a legal case?


We don't have to speculate. He did so. And then ADMITTED that he did.

It's a fact that he lied on Television about the legal case.


TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
He has nothing on Trump worthy of impeachment.


You have no clue about what Mueller does or doesn't have. For you to write that one here pretending you have any knowledge is hilarious.
23   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 9:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Think Giuliani, long time Prosecutor and Mayor of NY for decades, is stupid enough to baldly lie on Television about a legal case?"
The guy is gettin' old and he seems to have more than a few screws loose. Maybe he has dementia?

BTW... Big question for the forum. I couldn't figure out how to make a new post. But anyway, I used to be on this site 8-9 years ago then stopped as life goes on.

Now that I have come back, when did this site seemingly get taken over by right winger trolls? I means its outright ridiculous that every other post is some stupid crap from Breitbart or stormfront. That and what appears to be 5-6 resident trump trolls. IMHO this hurts this site: Whereas it could be more about its purpose- real estate and the housing bubble- at face value it looks more like a right wing hangout. That would of course drive away most anyone with some degree of intelligence. Its certainly not making me want to really stay, that's for sure.
24   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Giuliani stated that Mueller's Findings are wholly exculpatory


Source??

Here's what I can find:

“I asked him specifically if they realized or acknowledged they didn't have the power to indict. Both under the Justice Department memo, which gives them their power, in essence confines their power, and under the Constitution,” Giuliani told “Fox & Friends.” “One of his assistants said they acknowledged they had to be bound by Justice Department policies. Then the next day or the day after, they clarified it for [Trump attorney] Jay Sekulow who was with me at the meeting that they didn't have the power to indict.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/17/trump-team-push-back-mueller-investigation-595119
25   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 9:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BEST case scenario for America:
Trump finishes his four year stint, and then declines to run for a second citing ongoing legal issues.

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.

He wouldn’t make the same mistakes as the great orange one. And he is ten times as committed to making America great and making government honest than Trump ever has been.

And oddly enough, if that happens, the Democrats are even more finished than they are now. They’ll have spent four years desperately trying to remove Trump, only to pave the way for an even more implacable foe to assume power.
26   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 May 17, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
We don't have to speculate. He did so. And then ADMITTED that he did.

It's a fact that he lied on Television about the legal case.


Trump and Giulliani are not trying to get the truth out. They are trying to fight their battle in the media. As such, they have gone on air with everything but the simple truth regarding Stormy Daniels for some reason.

Giulliani did not say that Mueller's findings were exculpatory, which implies that Mueller's interpretation of the facts are that Trump is innocent. Giulliani said that they have nothing but exculpatory information. That is Giulliani's interpretation of the documents that he has seen, which is quite different from Mueller's interpretation of the facts that he has. Notice how it is misinterpreted by Trump fans. That is by design.

Team Trump is trying to get the American Public to turn on Mueller, and they are betting on Giulliani's reputation for that move.
27   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 9:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/16/giuliani-on-mueller-report-trump-team-is-ready-to-rip-it-apart.html

Here you go. Rudy saying that Mueller has nothing (which he’s going to know because the prosecution would have to release any evidence they have to the defense) and what he does have is exculpatory.
28   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 9:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Beat me to it, thanks Quigley.

I also edited my former post to discuss one of Whitey Bulger's associates, who was exonerated after decades in prison, no thanks to Mueller.
29   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 9:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

How is this news? Mueller says he won't indict because he lacks authority. That doesn't imply he doesn't have a case against Trump. On the contrary, the fact there's even discussion about how he can't indict a sitting president, insinuates that there's a case.
30   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.

He wouldn’t make the same mistakes as the great orange one. And he is ten times as committed to making America great and making government honest than Trump ever has been.


Rand is too soft on unfair trade, he'd allow the Chinese to have huge import barriers to our stuff, the Chinese to use Canada and Mexico to cheat, etc. because he's a Free Trade Extremist, even if it's not reciprocal.

BUT if Trump reforms NAFTA and makes better deals before his term is out, then I will have no problem voting for Rand.

And of course I would vote for Rand over just about any likely Dem Candidate.
31   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 9:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"And oddly enough, if that happens, the Democrats are even more finished than they are now. They’ll have spent four years desperately trying to remove Trump, only to pave the way for an even more implacable foe to assume power."

And yet Democrats have quietly been winning special election after special election ever since the election. There are now numerous solidly red states where the GOP hasn't had to worry in decades and now they're being hotly contested. The Presiden't approval rating remains the lowest of any first term president in US history. Most polls have shown a steady, consistent path for the Democrats to re-take the house during the midterms and when they do they aren't going to simply let Trump slide and get away with it anymore.

The Democratic party is far from dead. Furthermore and as mentioned, today's upcoming youth overwhelmingly favor liberal policies. The GOP is in pretty big danger of losing its position pretty quickly.
32   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 9:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"And of course I would vote for Rand over just about any likely Dem Candidate."

... and that is what is wrong with the USA. People who would rather vote for someone-anyone-no matter their qualifications- just because they have either and R or D in front of their name. And that is how we would up with a joke of a president.
33   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 9:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

BTW- STOP removing my responses, whomever you are
34   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 9:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

clambo says
t the Obama FBI was spying on a candidate for president months before the election.


Obama was not spying on Trump. FBI was monitoring the traitors who were in constant contact with Russia. FBI ( Mueller) is still investigating the Trump team and that does not mean Trump is investigating himself
35   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 10:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
Here you go. Rudy saying that Mueller has nothing (which he’s going to know because the prosecution would have to release any evidence they have to the defense) and what he does have is exculpatory.


lol--that was Giuliani playing to the FOX news crowd. Again it's hilarious that you are putting all your stock in a Giuliani quote. Has he figured out if Trump repaid Cohen yet?

You think this guy knows everything... hahahaha
36   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 10:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.


Rand Paul is about as far from populist as you can get. He is the OPPOSITE of populist.

Sanders is populist. Warren is populist. Trump's stump speeches were somewhat populist even if his actions have not been.

Rand Paul is NOT populist.
37   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 May 17, 10:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
BEST case scenario for America:
Trump finishes his four year stint, and then declines to run for a second citing ongoing legal issues.

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.


I reluctantly agree with the first part, but only if the Dems take back the house or senate to stop any further tax cut type shenanigans, as to Rand Paul he has not shown himself IMO to be a populist or really the libertarian he claims to be, and what has he accomplished? He, at times, talks a good game but generally follows the corporate repub. line when his vote is needed, he has a spine of jelly and is an opportunist.
38   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 10:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

edvard says
And yet Democrats have quietly been winning special election after special election ever since the election. There are now numerous solidly red states where the GOP hasn't had to worry in decades and now they're being hotly contested. The Presiden't approval rating remains the lowest of any first term president in US history. Most polls have shown a steady, consistent path for the Democrats to re-take the house during the midterms and when they do they aren't going to simply let Trump slide and get away with it anymore.


The Democrats haven't shown any great strides in special elections. They beat a perennial loser in Alabama, and only won in PA due to an empty seat created by a Republican Abortion Scandal, running the Blue Doggiest of Blue Dogs who is indistinguishable from Trump on Gun Control, Abortion "Control", and Trade Policy. They're 2 for 8.

State races don't matter since the Republicans are so dominant on the state level they can only really lose seats at this point. Losing by 5 pts in a special election empty-seat race are a poor comparison to Presidential Votes OR to regular elections against Incumbent Republicans.

If you expect the Hispanics to save you, remember Italians and Irish were once reliable die hard Democrat voters.

edvard says
The Democratic party is far from dead. Furthermore and as mentioned, today's upcoming youth overwhelmingly favor liberal policies. The GOP is in pretty big danger of losing its position pretty quickly.


That's not a big deal. So did the Boomers when they were young. In any case, the milennials are aging and their support for Dems is crashing:
The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll of 16,000 millennials found that support for Democrats among this generation dropped to 46% — a nine-point plunge from 55% just two years ago. Just 39% of white millennials now say they favor Democrats. It also found that more millennials say the GOP is a better steward of the economy.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/millennials-democrats-poll-economy/
39   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 10:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Being exonerated of all fake charges is an impeachable offense. Impeach Trump!
40   edvard   ignore (1)   2018 May 17, 10:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"That's not a big deal. So did the Boomers when they were young. In any case, the milennials are aging and their support for Dems is crashing:"

But they aren't favoring the GOP. Not by a long shot. The fact of the matter is that both the millennial and post millennial generations lean strongly to the left. As in they aren't in favor of conventional, blue dog democrats but they are Especially not keen on the GOP. Something like upwards of 90% of the post millinial generation heavily dislikes trump for example.

The net net? Younger Americans lean more heavily to the left than any other generation that's come before them. That will have a significant impact on US politics moving forward.

Let me just put it this way:
The wet dream that the right has of turning America into something akin to a Handmaid's tail isn't going to happen. The country, despite Trump and today's GOP is still moving towards a more progressive and all-inclusive direction. Bigotry and racism that's been embraced by the right for years is extremely unpopular with today's youth and thus why the GOP is likely going to paint themselves into a corner.

Trump is the last hurrah of the brand of Nixon's strategy. If they do not change the party will go extinct within a generation.

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