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Since AGW is such a real threat, what do propose should be done? Wind/Solar are already on the way.
Gore predicted 2013
Then explain how they did it in the 1880's.
That is a straw man. There are enough AGW believers to start taking action without the need to convince all remaining "deniers." Plus, even "deniers" would like to stop pollution and resource depletion. The issue is that AGW has become a Democrat canon, with the mere "belief" being sufficient to show one's moral/intellectual superiority. Don't even consider solutions, just argue with deniers and vote Democrat.If we want a 1st world lifestyle, we will have to limit population. That is the uncomfortable truth to the AGW crowd that also supports unfettered immigration.
How about the half that does believe start talking about solutions?
It’s colder, it’s hotter, it’s colder, it’s hotter.Sounds like normal weather to me.
CBOEtrader saysThen explain how they did it in the 1880's.Red herring and a troll. Great job.
What is wrong with these two present day ideas?1. Limit Population by curtailing immigration, and let the natural lower fertility rate bring the population to an energy and resource sustainable level.2. Curtail imports from nations that do not manufacture those products under US style environmental laws.
Although I don't see how limiting immigration would limit world population.
Illegals are incentivized to have children once they make it across the US border. Once their kids are legal citizens, it makes it easier for the parents to stay in the US with our idiotic chain migration rules.Whereas, if these same poor people were still stuck in shitholes like Venezuela or Honduras, they would probably have less children because they can't afford it.
I am talking about limiting immigration to 1st world countries. A person living in the US uses 100x the resources as someone in the third world.
Birth rates are actually much higher in 3rd world countries so the opposite of what you say is true.https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25
Not in Central and South America. They are plummeting.
NOAA's numbers are out. August is the 5th warmest August in recorded history. Nasa concurs and says the solar minimum is providing some much needed cooling. Expect snow this winter.
If this continues this may be a significant reversal to come.
The level of willful stupidity and ignorance here is shocking.
How does one measure "global surface mean air temperature"? Then explain how they did it in the 1880's.
1/2 a degree is a big fucking deal right?
1. Limit Population by curtailing immigration, and let the natural lower fertility rate bring the population to an energy and resource sustainable level.2. Curtail imports from nations that do not manufacture those products under US style environmental laws.
Thanks to the miracle of fracking natural gas (which all Democrats were against), America now leads the world in carbon reduction and oil and gas exports.
I give it about 60 human/40 non-human warming cause
Things that are for virtue signalling of Hollywood celebrities (electric, hybrid cars; fuel ethanol, etc) are useless and may in fact be causing warming as driving a Toyota Corolla might be more efficient than a hybrid WRT to CO2 emissions. Also, blaming everyone for global warming and living in a 1000000 sq ft mansion that consumes as much electricity as a whole village (hello, Al Gore) is counterproductive as well.
If Californians do not want to wait and instead something today, how about going back to clotheslines? Clothes Dryers are serious energy hogs and large populations cutting back on dryer use would cull some serious "carbon."
Also, a RAV4 hybrid (I assume that's what you meant by hybrid wrt?)gets 155 g/km CO2 emissions, and is a much heavier and larger car than a Corolla.. which gets 188 g/km (1.6l engine). Just saying.
The fixation climate change deniers have on Hollywood 'hypocrisy' when it comes to this topic mystifies me. Celebrities are using their influence to raise awareness, big deal. Are they perfect non-polluters? Certainly not. Fact is, everyone IS to blame for global warming, including Al Gore.
Interesting, how did you arrive at that number? Would love to see your research on it.
If Californians do not want to wait and instead something today, how about going back to clotheslines?
Another breakthrough tech would be a room temperature near superconductor, which would abate the line-loss that exists transmitting electricity today.
Solar works too.. And not just in desert climates! https://news.energysage.com/solar-panels-in-winter-weather-snow-affect-power-production/
Need to take into account battery production, which for hybrids involve separation of rare earths, which is extremely energy-consuming. Environmental footprint for Corolla production is much smaller than for hybrids, even if it consumes more fuel when running. There was a research paper ca. 10 yrs ago which looked at this issue, but I can not track it down any more
The issue is more in cost. It takes about $20k to install enough panels to "net zero," and $20k will pay years of electric bills.
10 years ago. Can't track it down. Certainly manufacturing has improved in that stretch of time. The fact is, yes, hybrids take more energy to produce, but that is more than offset by their efficiency over the life of the car, even when using non-green sources of electricity.
I think they are now above liquid N2 boiling point, where some technological applications are feasible.I saw some cryo type superconductors like that in grad school in 1989. One guy even used the superconductor as winding in an sort of electric motor. All done around liquid nitrogen temps. No progress since then? You smart people need to get off your lazy asses.
Compressed H2SO4 at -70C, bitches! Liquid N2 is about -195C
It takes about $20k to install enough panels to "net zero," and $20k will pay years of electric bills.
This from the linkAccording to another Argonne National Laboratory report, if a plug-in hybrid charges from coal-generated electricity, it could be responsible for emitting up to 10 percent more greenhouse gasses than a conventional vehicle and up to 60 percent more than a standard hybridis also very illuminating.
H2S, I think. Smells of rotten eggs and is toxic.
According to another Argonne National Laboratory report, if a plug-in hybrid charges from coal-generated electricity, it could be responsible for emitting up to 10 percent more greenhouse gasses than a conventional vehicle and up to 60 percent more than a standard hybrid
2016 was a fucking hot year. We cooled through to Feb 2018. But IT'S STILL FUCKING HOTTER THAN EVER.
Can anyone else see the contradiction here?
Expat says2016 was a fucking hot year. We cooled through to Feb 2018. But IT'S STILL FUCKING HOTTER THAN EVER.Can anyone else see the contradiction here?Rhetorical question.
Yes, but to someone in a panic, the point is to say extreme things, even contradictory or horrible things, in order to signal virtue and to shout down any discussion of potentially good ideas
Who has 'shouted down' those ideas?
I think they used these things called thermometers. Heard of em?
But hey, don't let a little thing like data ruin your argument. Keep going!
Ok so where would a thermometer (or thermometers) be placed to measure worldwide temperature?
Just try to remember that 17 of the last 18 years are the hottest on record.
Prepare for colder years to come as the sun's activity cycles down.
I have also seen geo-engineering ideas shut down a different way, without shouting. There seems to be a new religion of "mother nature" and "mother earth", possibly related to some wave of feminism. The feeling seems to be that we must return to mother nature, and stop toxic males and their inventions from assaulting mother earth. Geo-engineering is yet another toxic male science, and the only example presented in that "debate" is to spray sulfuric acid into the atmosphere. Limiting the presentation to that example is not quite a straw man, because some have actually said that would work, but the idea has the effect of reductio ad absurdum: there are other ideas, but people recoil from the idea of spraying sulfuric acid into the air and that ends the discussion.
Onvacation saysPrepare for colder years to come as the sun's activity cycles down.The notion that a solar minimum or even grand minimum will do anything to stem the current warming trend has already been largely debunked.
the current warming trend has already been largely debunked.
I think Evan needs to provide some links to this “debunking” he is claiming.
How many solar minimums have their been during the global tempetature uptrentd of the past 50 years ?
the global tempetature uptrentd of the past 50 years ?
we can all agree on the need to decrease pollution
Debunking it isn't rocket science. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle
HeadSet sayswe can all agree on the need to decrease pollutionIt never was about saving the planet but controlling the people.
According to NOAA records, 2018 has gone down as the 6th warmest year since satellite records started in 1979, which was the lowpoint in a cold cycle. The current warming cycle ended in 2016, the hottest year EVER! Co2 is at a record high. Anyone have a guess as to why the temperature is dropping?It's not co2.
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