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Global Cooling 1/2 degree in last 2 years.

By Onvacation following x   2018 May 18, 1:27pm 5,777 views   298 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/860837?section=newsfront&keywords=earth-cool-half-degree-nasa&year=2018&month=05&date=16&id=860837&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main

The average global temperature dropped by more than half a degree Celsius from February 2016 to February 2018, according to recent NASA data.

Read Newsmax: NASA Data: Earth Cooled by Half a Degree Celsius From '16-'18

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241   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 3, 8:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Again, if someone could show me with photographic proof that oceans are rising, I would be open minded. Here is another bit of photographic proof of basically no change, certainly no rise.

http://extra.heraldtribune.com/2016/06/09/throwback-thursday-photos-venice-avenue-then-and-now/
242   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 3, 8:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here’s another one. Please take note, absolutely no change in the high water line, almost perfect match where the grass grows.

243   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 7, 10:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ALERT!
Arctic ice levels are at their 10th lowest levels since records have been kept!
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

And it's only June!
244   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 11, 9:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Arctic ice levels are at their 10th lowest levels

How can the alarmist continue with their hyperbole when the sea ice is thicker than it was 12 years ago?
245   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 15, 8:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Image result for june world temperaturewww.ncdc.noaa.gov June 2018 was warmer than average, though its temperature was similar to the June values for several recent years. The European-average anomaly is 0.9°C for June 2018; this compares with 1.4°C for June 1999, the warmest June on record."


So Last month was a half degree cooler than 1999. Except in Siberia. Siberia was 50 degrees warmer than average yesterday.
246   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 15, 8:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

...eh hem!

"Oh Yeah and just that half a degree is a huge difference in the average global temperature."

Or so I've been told.

Funny you never get it coming back in the other direction.
247   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 4:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

2018 is promising to be the 6th warmest year since we have been keeping record!
249   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 27, 6:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Old article but interesting.
250   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 27, 7:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
2018 is promising to be the 6th warmest year since we have been keeping record!


I just can't figure out why it gets hot every Summer. Maybe one of the GW Alarmists can explain.
251   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 12:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says


I just can't figure out why it gets hot every Summer. Maybe one of the GW Alarmists can explain.

It is August and 2018 IS projected to be the 5th ( maybe 6th) hottest year EVER.
252   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 12, 6:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NOAA's temperature numbera are out for July 2018. It was the 11th hottest July on record, tied with 1998.
254   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 12, 7:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The trend is down.
Wetbulb death may take a little longer.
255   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 12, 7:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Pollution is real, and the damage is obvious. AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW. The obvious action to take is to limit 1st world population. The fertility rate in 1st world countries was actually decreasing, and the coming smaller population (along with improved efficiencies) would allow sustainable measure such as wind and solar to actually work. Unfortunately, the opening of borders to unfettered immigration makes good politics for the leftist politicos who fake actual concern for the ecology.

True environmentalists (left or right) would support:
1. 1st world nations ending immigration from 3rd world
2. Banning any imports from a country that manufacturers products with lax environmental laws.
256   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 7:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
was the 11th hottest July on record, tied with 1998.


August and September here in SoCal have been cooler than usual. September especially! I’ve been here fifteen years and never seen a September that wasn’t stinking hot! This one has been cool and comfortable! Something is definitely different!
257   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 12, 7:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
NOAA's temperature numbera are out for July 2018. It was the 11th hottest July on record, tied with 1998.


How would one go about measuring the temperature of November?

Serious question
258   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 12, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW.


R u sure about that? The push for diesel passenger cars in Europe under the AGW abatement agenda has worsened local pollution, for example.
259   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 12, 9:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
HeadSet says
AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW.


R u sure about that? The push for diesel passenger cars in Europe under the AGW abatement agenda has worsened local pollution, for example.


When I was in France in the 90's, diesel passenger cars were common place. I even drove a diesel Chrysler minivan. This was done for economics, I was not aware that diesel polluted less than gasoline. Maybe the higher mileage of diesel means less pollutants per mile driven.. Even so, my point is that fewer people means less driving (diesel or otherwise) and less pollution/carbon footprint. Enough fewer people would go a long way to making a nationwide fleet of electric vehicles supportable by wind/solar/hydro/nuke generating capacity.
260   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 12, 9:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
DASKAA says
HeadSet says
AGW may or may not be real, but the same steps to abate pollution and resource depletion would also abate AGW.


R u sure about that? The push for diesel passenger cars in Europe under the AGW abatement agenda has worsened local pollution, for example.


When I was in France in the 90's, diesel passenger cars were common place. I even drove a diesel Chrysler minivan. This was done for economics, I was not aware that diesel polluted less than gasoline. Maybe the higher mileage of diesel means less pollutants per mile driven.. Even so, my point is that fewer people means less driving (diesel or otherwise) and less pollution/carbon footprint. Enough fewer people would go a long way to making a nationwide fleet of electric vehicles supportable by wind/solar/hydro/nuke generating capacity.


They pollute more in every measure - NOX, particles, ozone, etc. - except CO2. The latter was the reason to promote them as "less polluting". This is my main beef with the AGW hysteria: downplaying real, immediately harmful pollution and overhyping the emissions of harmless gas.

Have no problem with "less people is good" idea, but this means "wasist" immigration laws will have to be written and enforced. Don't really see the current AGW champions - the left - embracing such policy.
261   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 12, 10:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Don't really see the current AGW champions - the left - embracing such policy.

True, if you really believed in AGW, you would not be for unfettered immigration.
262   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 7:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says


How would one go about measuring the temperature of November?

Serious question

That is a great question. How do the climate change believers calculate worldwide average temperature?

The alarmists claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever, exceeding 2015 by 4/100 of one degree. Since then the temp has gone down. NOAA reports it, I repeat it.
263   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 13, 9:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
The alarmists claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever, exceeding 2015 by 4/100 of one degree. Since then the temp has gone down. NOAA reports it, I repeat it.


LeonDurham says
264   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 11:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Onvacation says
The alarmists claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever, exceeding 2015 by 4/100 of one degree. Since then the temp has gone down. NOAA reports it, I repeat it.


LeonDurham says

And the trend is down...
265   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 13, 11:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
And the trend is down...


Nope. It sure isn't.
266   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 13, 5:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Washington Post blames Trump for Hurricane Florence. I guess they think he can do this:
268   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 6:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Nope. It sure isn't.

When do you suppose Florida is going under water? What's the wetbulb death count this year? Is there any ice left in the arctic?
269   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 6:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
When do you suppose Florida is going under water? What's the wetbulb death count this year? Is there any ice left in the arctic?


Do you understand trending now?
270   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 6:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

god forbid, you even try to understand this, or put it in perspective. Here's a gragh from the source of that data.

The high you see on the orange (land only) graph is the feb 2016 data point. It's not updated, but you can easily figure out that the down spike since then takes us to about the 2012 lows. .





I wish you were right. with your fantasies. I really do.
272   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 7:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
god forbid

So what's your guess for an ice free arctic?
273   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 7:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
So what's your guess for an ice free arctic?


Ice free ? In the middle of winter ? Let's hope never. These down spikes will be harder to come by if arctic ice was completely gone in the winter. We're totally fucked if that happens.

But gone in the summer ? Sadly I definitely think probably less than another decade before we see that. I hope I'm wrong.

When is your guess for when the land and ocean (combined) graph can be seen to be in an actual clear down trend ?
274   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 7:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

But gone in the summer ? Sadly I definitely think probably less than another decade

I'll put you down for 2028. Iwog guessed 2022 and Gore predicted 2013.

Smart alarmists are putting the doom out into the distant future.
275   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 14, 7:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
god forbid, you even try to understand this, or put it in perspective. Here's a gragh from the source of that data.


Ok help us understand it. How does one measure "global surface mean air temperature"? Then explain how they did it in the 1880's.
276   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 7:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So Marcus, LeonDurham,

Since AGW is such a real threat, what do propose should be done? Wind/Solar are already on the way.

Tolls on all roads? (Encourage local sourcing, consolidated trips, more efficient logistics). Euro style gasoline taxes may help here as well, but eventually a tax would have to apply to the increasing number of electric/hydrogen vehicles.

Daylight laws? Have truly non-essential business close at night to save on electricity cost and take advantage of natural sunlight and solar power. The region I lived at in England in the 90s was like that, if you did not get gas/groceries/merchandise by 6PM you waited until the next day. Not as bad as it sounds, you just had to plan.

Return to deposit bottles? Have all milk and sodas in recyclable glass. Much less energy needed to clean a bottle than make a new one. In fact, easy open aluminum cans take more energy to make than the old style cans without a pop top. Using the old "church keys" would save energy.

And the biggy - severely curtain immigration and let the natural lower fertility rates bring the population down to a sustainable level. Only a sustainable level of people will allow solar/wind/geothermal/thorium/hydro energy production take the place of fossil fuels. And even with a lower population, that may require new efficiencies in energy use.
277   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says

Since AGW is such a real threat, what do propose should be done? Wind/Solar are already on the way.


I certainly don't have all the answers, but denying reality makes finding them much more difficult. If we can't even agree on the facts, how can we agree on the best solutions?
278   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 8:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Gore predicted 2013


If we're going to be honest, he didn't predict that. He said others had said arctic ice would be gone possibly as early as 2013 or 2014 (both years - because he referred to this POSSIBILITY on multiple occasions - sometimes citing 2014).

So he was quoting one of the scientists with the most agressive models. Not a lie. It's called a quote. Unless he made it up in a sort ot Trumpian way. Then it was a lie.

But his motive was to get us moving away from fossil fuels. That's a good thing. As Elon Mush recently pointed out. Even when all the new cars being sold are electric, we'll have another 20 years of gas burning cars on the road. If you hate politicians that lie or bend the truth to move their agenda forward, then you must REALLY despise Trump.
279   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Then explain how they did it in the 1880's.


Red herring and a troll. Great job.

As for the question of resolution of individual readings versus average, at some point I'll do a simulation to prove my point. But I'm done with that argument for now.
280   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I certainly don't have all the answers, but denying reality makes finding them much more difficult. If we can't even agree on the facts, how can we agree on the best solutions?

That is a straw man. There are enough AGW believers to start taking action without the need to convince all remaining "deniers." Plus, even "deniers" would like to stop pollution and resource depletion. The issue is that AGW has become a Democrat canon, with the mere "belief" being sufficient to show one's moral/intellectual superiority. Don't even consider solutions, just argue with deniers and vote Democrat.

If we want a 1st world lifestyle, we will have to limit population. That is the uncomfortable truth to the AGW crowd that also supports unfettered immigration.

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