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Global Cooling 1/2 degree in last 2 years.

By Onvacation following x   2018 May 18, 1:27pm 5,778 views   298 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/860837?section=newsfront&keywords=earth-cool-half-degree-nasa&year=2018&month=05&date=16&id=860837&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main

The average global temperature dropped by more than half a degree Celsius from February 2016 to February 2018, according to recent NASA data.

Read Newsmax: NASA Data: Earth Cooled by Half a Degree Celsius From '16-'18

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281   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 8:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

you must REALLY despise Trump.

Trump is the only one who is actually doing something about curtailing illegal immigration and bringing manufacturing back to the US where US environmental laws apply. The AGW people must love this aspect of Trump.
282   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 8:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
That is a straw man. There are enough AGW believers to start taking action without the need to convince all remaining "deniers." Plus, even "deniers" would like to stop pollution and resource depletion. The issue is that AGW has become a Democrat canon, with the mere "belief" being sufficient to show one's moral/intellectual superiority. Don't even consider solutions, just argue with deniers and vote Democrat.

If we want a 1st world lifestyle, we will have to limit population. That is the uncomfortable truth to the AGW crowd that also supports unfettered immigration.


Uh, it's nowhere close to a strawman. Our President is a GW denier ffs.

How can we have a real discussion about solutions when half the population denies it's a problem?
283   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How can we have a real discussion about solutions when half the population denies it's a problem?

How about the half that does believe start talking about solutions?
284   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 14, 8:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It’s colder, it’s hotter, it’s colder, it’s hotter.

Sounds like normal weather to me.
285   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
How about the half that does believe start talking about solutions?


You're not aware of the proposals? There have been lots of potential solutions bandied about...
286   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 8:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
It’s colder, it’s hotter, it’s colder, it’s hotter.

Sounds like normal weather to me.


Exhibit A.
287   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 8:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You're not aware of the proposals? There have been lots of potential solutions bandied about...

Such as?
288   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 14, 8:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
Then explain how they did it in the 1880's.


Red herring and a troll. Great job.


So without any way to do these measurements in an accurate way in the past its ok w you? How can you support concepts like "hottest in history" if our measurements werent accurate 25 years ago?

Unless you can rectify this problem you have no authority to lecture others on understanding data.
289   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 8:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Such as?


Google proposals to combat climate change and you'll find lots.

Here's an article for 2007:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/politics/18forum.html
290   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 9:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here's an article for 2007:

That is an article of Hillary electioneering talking points. 55 mpg by 2030? That is too far in the future to be serious, especially when spoke in 2007, as is "reducing oil imports by 2/3 by 2030" (even though Trump may have already exceeded that goal). Even so, replacing imported oil with domestic oil does not lower carbon emissions. "Cap and Trade" is a gift to Hillary buddy Goldman-Sacs who would make a killing trading carbon credits. The rest of the article, such as "ending nuclear weapons" is pap.

What is wrong with these two present day ideas?

1. Limit Population by curtailing immigration, and let the natural lower fertility rate bring the population to an energy and resource sustainable level.
2. Curtail imports from nations that do not manufacture those products under US style environmental laws.
291   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 9:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks to the miracle of fracking natural gas (which all Democrats were against), America now leads the world in carbon reduction and oil and gas exports.

"Yes, The U.S. Leads All Countries In Reducing Carbon Emissions"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/10/24/yes-the-u-s-leads-all-countries-in-reducing-carbon-emissions/#5e03202b3535

Meanwhile, China, India and Germany are relying more and more on coal and dirty Russian and OPEC oil.

America has already achieved more carbon reduction RESULTS than all the hypocrites that signed the Paris Agreements. And our economy is BOOMING and we no longer are hostage to OPEC and Russia. Win win win.....
292   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
What is wrong with these two present day ideas?

1. Limit Population by curtailing immigration, and let the natural lower fertility rate bring the population to an energy and resource sustainable level.
2. Curtail imports from nations that do not manufacture those products under US style environmental laws.


Who says something is wrong with them? Add them to the discussion.

Although I don't see how limiting immigration would limit world population.
293   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 10:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Although I don't see how limiting immigration would limit world population.


Illegals are incentivized to have children once they make it across the US border. Once their kids are legal citizens, it makes it easier for the parents to stay in the US with our idiotic chain migration rules.

Whereas, if these same poor people were still stuck in shitholes like Venezuela or Honduras, they would probably have less children because they can't afford it.

"Venezuela crisis: sterilizations soar as couples count the cost of children"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/03/venezuela-sterilizations-soar-children-crisis-food-shortages-inflation
294   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 14, 10:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Although I don't see how limiting immigration would limit world population.

I am talking about limiting immigration to 1st world countries. A person living in the US uses 100x the resources as someone in the third world. Think of all the water used for dishwashers, clothes washers, showers,and irrigation. I would say an American flushes more water per day than a third world persons total daily use. A third world guy uses very little electricity, by we use lots of juice for luxuries like air conditioning and clothes dryers alone. And cooking with oven and stove takes lots more energy than using a wood fire. Add to that the individuals share of the energy it takes to truck goods to stores, keep supermarket coolers running, and keep on the business and city lights.

I lived in the Azores for about a year and a half. Azores was not really 3rd world, but more like US in the 1950s. No homes had A/C, and everyone used a clothesline instead of a dryer. Farm products, including milk, were often brought to the stores on donkeys or animal pulled carts The meat sections of the food store did not use refrigeration, and I do not remember anyone getting sick from eating it. Everything shut down at night. If a person emigrated from Azores to the US, his lifestyle would become a lot more resource intensive. The "carbon use" would be even more stark for a true third worlder moving to the US. Thus, 1st world countries limiting immigration from 3rd world counties would keep prevent an increase in resource depletion and carbon use.

By the way, I did not feel "deprived" by "lower living standards." The lack of materialism and greater sociability was quite refreshing. I also got used to eating octopus, barnacles, quail eggs, and overcooked meat with a fried egg on top.
295   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

Illegals are incentivized to have children once they make it across the US border. Once their kids are legal citizens, it makes it easier for the parents to stay in the US with our idiotic chain migration rules.

Whereas, if these same poor people were still stuck in shitholes like Venezuela or Honduras, they would probably have less children because they can't afford it.


Birth rates are actually much higher in 3rd world countries so the opposite of what you say is true.

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25
296   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
I am talking about limiting immigration to 1st world countries. A person living in the US uses 100x the resources as someone in the third world.


True. But, that will change over time. Many formerly 3rd world countries are well on their way to becoming 1st world.
297   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Birth rates are actually much higher in 3rd world countries so the opposite of what you say is true.

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25


Not in Central and South America. They are plummeting.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2015/1221/In-Latin-America-an-exception-to-falling-birthrates-draws-new-scrutiny
https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ho&v=25
298   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

Not in Central and South America. They are plummeting.


Exactly. From your article:

"The trend is generally viewed as a good thing – evidence of a wealthier and healthier society, where parents aren’t operating under the assumption that a child may die from malnutrition or disease. It reflects a higher number of girls staying in school and then working. And it signals changed attitudes toward women's central roles."

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