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What does society owe to those who are not thriving?


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2018 May 26, 8:16am   2,847 views  12 comments

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Heroin addicts
Homeless
Over indebted
Chronically unemployed
Able-bodied but on the dole
Immigrants with a 4th grade education

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1   Strategist   2018 May 26, 9:29am  

MisterLefty says
What does society owe to those who are not thriving?


Wonderful question.

Opportunity to thrive. Nothing else.
2   rocketjoe79   2018 May 26, 9:37am  

The difference between a Conservative and Liberal:

A conservative and liberal walk down the street. The conservative spies a homeless person. She engages and finds the person lost their job, home and even family. But they are willing to work. She gives him her business card and $50 and says "Get some food and a shower, show up tomorrow at this address, and I'll make sure you have paid regular work."

The Liberal is amazed. He says to the Conservative, "Hey, mind if I try that?" She says "Please do!"

The Lib has a similar conversation with another homeless person nearby. He confirms the person is also ready to work. He then reaches into the Conservatives' pocket, pulls out $50 and her biz card, hands both to the homeless and says: "Get some food and a shower, show up tomorrow at this address and SHE will make sure you have paid regular work."

And that's the difference between conservatives and liberals.

Or as Maggie Thatcher said: "The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
3   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2018 May 26, 9:42am  

Heroin addicts - Ban most opioid medications in America.Vaporize the Poppy fields in Afghanistan and Columbia. And allow the flow of Cocaine to overtake Heroine based drugs.
Which has a lot smaller societal devastating footprint. I mean in 60 years of American pop culture how many celebs did we lose to Cocaine? John Belushi and Rick James that's it!
That's because he mixed it with Heroine. We lost thousands to Heroine and drugs made from Poppy just in two short decades. Also people outgrew Coke, and quit after they reached a certain notch to the bottom. Because they lived to reach bottom, heroine doesn't always give people a chance to reach rock bottom.

Homeless - A Job and a healthy economy that doesn't deny the working poor food and shelter.

Over indebted - Upward mobility jobs, and Small business and private company entrepreneurial incentives and initiatives.

Chronically unemployed - I think you are making hyperbole out of the same underemployed class of people that I tried to address above.

Able-bodied but on the dole

Immigrants with a 4th grade education

I think just applying my first solution would create the rest of my solutions. As Coke makes people hungry to go make some money. It makes people productive.
For every bad case study that would say that is bullshit. For starters there were millions of people that did coke on their time and not on the job, didn't rob cheat and steal for it. Did it for years every day or every week end. Smack Junkies get less productive more introverted, and end up having to get a fix all day long. When ever the sickness sets in, they need a fix. Most pill heads don't work, they are able body people they sit on their ass and scheme ways to make the government pay for them getting high.

Crank back up the 80's Cocaine Machine, America will be great in no time.

Surely I Jest, but there's truth in jest.
4   MisterLefty   2018 May 26, 10:48am  

Tenpoundbass says
Crank back up the 80's Cocaine Machine, America will be great in no time.
Isn't Starbucks enough?
5   Ceffer   2018 May 26, 12:08pm  

Tenpoundbass says
And allow the flow of Cocaine to overtake Heroine based drugs.
Which has a lot smaller societal devastating footprint.


Honestly? I'm so glad there are "good" addictive drugs to save us from the "bad" addictive drugs. It makes taking the "right" drugs so much more attractive.
6   Ceffer   2018 May 26, 12:50pm  

https://news.vice.com/article/only-in-the-netherlands-do-addicts-complain-about-free-government-heroin

Needle exchange programs COMBINED with high grade, free government heroin at selected locations. They are actually less inclined to be homeless, because they don't spend any money for the drugs and they can use whatever money/welfare the have for shelter. They say 80 percent even manage some kind of job.

The bitches still whine, but so what, they are just whining bitches.
7   casandra   2018 May 26, 1:21pm  

It owes them everything. They are now the majority in this great state and VOTE! They have been making the rules lately; can't you tell.
8   Ceffer   2018 May 26, 2:17pm  

The slimy lifestyle of addicts and alcoholics/homeless is actually attractive to them as part of the package. They can feel aggrieved and full of self pity, which is a large part of the syndrome and part of the brain toxicity. It also gives them permission for antisocial activities and behavior.

Give the humps all the free heroin they want, there is no more lifestyle, and nobody cares if they sit around nodding off and feeling sorry for themselves. It actually shakes them up enough to seek recovery.

The free stuff also forces them to stay within a narrow fixed radius instead of wandering about at random. Nothing can compete with the free stuff.

I knew a guy once who handed out the methadone at the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic. He said not once was anybody late for their dose, had transportation problems, claimed family difficulties, etc. They were just there exactly on time for their dosage without comment or complaint. That is how powerful the motivator is for drugs, none of the self excusing and self exonerating bullshit you see from people about every other aspect of their lives.

You start talking about recovery, jobs, responsibilities in any other sphere of life, all the crappy, self pitying bullshit comes right up.
9   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 May 26, 3:08pm  

It's a great plan for the Schizotrophic personality, set them up in communities, and give them plain language praise and goodies when they achieve production targets.
10   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 May 27, 1:53pm  

jazz_music says
The elites in a time of civil distress will retreat to their gated compounds and leave us to fend for ourselves. Our failure, our short-sightedness will immediately become apparent. The elites have already thought out of all of this ahead of time and preemptively provided for their loved ones. We were too busy to provide for contingency because it was too damn hard to make our monthly payments.
What about folks who want to go their own way? And how do you define “Elites?” I don’t want higher taxes and would like much lower capital gains. I also like single payer.
11   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 May 27, 1:56pm  

TrumpingTits says
We create welfare communities in Central America.
The real angle is organ harvesting and boinking young, nubile natives. The rights of the seigneur which every American citizen can claim.
12   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 May 27, 1:58pm  

jazz_music says
while a great opportunity is missed here to set up a local-based infrastructure that will be extended to the wider population under the likely conditions of civil collapse.
I’d rather be a pirate.

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