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The relationship between cannabis and hops

By Patrick following x   2018 Jun 3, 5:14pm 511 views   12 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I was at a beer tasting on Thursday, and remarked how one light and lemony beer had a very marijuana-like scent to it. The brewers immediately pointed out that cannabis and hops are closely related, a fact I had not known before. I was proud of myself for picking up on this scent.

One of them even talked about how another brewer would routinely graft hops onto cannabis roots and that this would give the beer some small amount of THC. And then, for extra kick, water the hops plant with bong-water. The guy was really into it.

I looked it up and it does seem to be true that they are closely related species:



Hops is the genus "Humulus".
1   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 1:20pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Grafting hops to cannabis is nonsense wrt gaining any effect. THC needs to be decarboxylated to active THCa so that it can be utilized by the endocannabinoid system.

The scent you are picking up is the terpenes. Hops contain myrcene, which is a prevalent terpenoid in Cannabis, known for contributing to “couch lock”

We all know the two most popular terpenes people recognize in Cannabis, limonene and pinene. Limonene is also produced in lemons, and we all recognize it when walking down the cleaner and detergents aisle, because its well known we associate the scent with cleanliness. Pinene is well known for it’s relaxing effects, and the Japanese do The Walk in the Forest to clear their minds and connect with nature. Pinene has the pine tree smell very desirable in Cannabis
2   Automan Empire   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 1:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

That the two plants are closely related has been known for many decades. They are closely enough related that grafts will "take" and thrive if you graft one onto the other. However, it is a MYTH that Hops grafted onto cannabis rootstock will contain THC. This indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of how cannabinoids form within the plant. They are not generated in the roots, and they do not circulate through the plant's transport mechanisms. The psychoactive molecules are mostly formed in the trichomes, mushroom-like features on the surface of the buds and leaves, and remain at the location on the plant where they were formed.

"Stealth plants that the cops can't tell are pot" were attempted as far back as the 1960s that I have read... the uselessness of the technique quickly becomes apparent. If the rootstocks of Hops were more robust than cannabis, then theoretically superior cannabis growth rates could be achieved with such a graft, but apparently no advantage has been found with cannabis/hops combinations. This works in plants like roses, peaches, and apples, wherein superior fruiting clones are spliced onto the roots of robust-rooting strains with inferior flowers/fruits of their own.
3   Automan Empire   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 1:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Now, beer with some of the hops substituted with cannabis IS a thing! When I went to Amsterdam in the early 90s, I encountered "High Brew Beer- when you're only having one!" We were judges in the Cannabis Cup, and thought every THC receptor in our brains was stuffed like a port hooker. Mind you this was long before Edibles were much of a thing. I discovered new Van Gogh levels of highness that night.
4   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 2:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Automan Empire says
Now, beer with some of the hops substituted with cannabis IS a thing! When I went to Amsterdam in the early 90s, I encountered "High Brew Beer- when you're only having one!" We were judges in the Cannabis Cup, and thought every THC receptor in our brains was stuffed like a port hooker. Mind you this was long before Edibles were much of a thing. I discovered new Van Gogh levels of highness that night.


My BiL is a bartender and he says they have some new hemp beer on tap that everyone loves, and it reeks of weed. So much so he often notices patrons get uncomfortable because they think that someone is packing something raw in their pocket, until they realize it’s the beer.

There’s all this buzz that the future of cannabis will be drinkables. I don’t believe it, and everything I’ve sampled so far has been bunk. One of my companies in California (Tinley) is making coconut rum, with no alcohol, but THC instead. Wild wild west
5   Automan Empire   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 3:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
One of my companies in California (Tinley) is making coconut rum, with no alcohol, but THC instead.


Must not be for the CA market. My understanding is, they do not allow mixes or tinctures including cannabis, even with good ol' alky-hol.
6   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 3:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Automan Empire says
Aphroman says
One of my companies in California (Tinley) is making coconut rum, with no alcohol, but THC instead.


Must not be for the CA market. My understanding is, they do not allow mixes or tinctures including cannabis, even with good ol' alky-hol.


https://tinleycollective.com/
8   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 4:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

https://herb.co/marijuana/news/humulene

Smell that sage with its earthy, woody aroma? It’s your olfactory senses perceiving a particular molecule called humulene. This special chemical (sometimes dubbed α-Humulene), is one of the 20 major terpenes that may appear in a particular strain of cannabis. It often conveys the smell of beer hops (depending on the other terpenes present). That’s right: The aroma of craft beer sometimes also permeates a variety of strains of cannabis because it results from the same molecule. Read on to learn more.
9   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 4:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Please see the classic Marijuana Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal, which has helped out many a guerrilla farmer.

https://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Growers-Handbook-Complete-Cultivation-ebook/dp/B003ZUY16G
10   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 4:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Dr Ethan Russo has some good videos on the web explaining terpenes and The Entourage Effect. Fascinating stuff. Once the Liberals finish off the Trumpublicans/Libertarians War on Drugs, Americans will be able to utilize the Cannabis plant for a multitude of reasons.

In the meantime, Conservatives will continue to fight to keep their racist war against Freedom going to the end. Trumpublicans are waging war to keep

Veterans suffering from PTSD
Children suffering from seizures
Medical patients stripped of the 2nd Amendment
Harming Americans business from competing in this blooming industry
Americans from having jobs
Adults from the personal responsibility to choose Cannabis for recreational use
Illegal gangs profiteering
Etc. Etc.
11   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 5:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

More on shinrin-yoku (forest bathing)

http://time.com/5259602/japanese-forest-bathing/

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/asia/forest-bathing-japan-bamboo-forest-arashiyama-how-to-get-there-instagram-spot-yakushima-kamikochi-a8124286.html


The scent of pinene in Cannabis has always been my favorite marker. Lots of pot is grown outdoors in upstate NY adirondack mountains, and it always smelt like Christmas trees.


https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-pinene-and-what-are-the-benefits-of-this-cannabis-terpene


Pinene’s Effects and Benefits
Just as different cannabinoids have different effects, so do terpenes. These unique attributes contribute to the overall composition of a strain, adding a dimension to each one’s “personality.” Some of pinene’s known effects and benefits include:
Anti-inflammatory
Bronchodilator (helps improve airflow to lungs)
Helps counter short-term memory loss associated with THC
Promotes alertness
You should note that these effects are modulated by other compounds. For example, strains containing high levels of the sedating terpene myrcene may not provide the alert effects mentioned above. It’s important to consider the entire chemical composition of a strain when looking for a specific effect.
12   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 5:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Automan Empire says
every THC receptor in our brains was stuffed like a port hooker


Had to read that twice to get it. Rofl!

You guys seem to know your pot chemistry very well. I'm impressed.




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