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Iran adds to centrifuge capacity

By TwoScoopsOfWompWomp following x   2018 Jun 5, 10:03am 557 views   34 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


So quick! It's almost as if they were planning this before the Iran Deal was cancelled.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
1   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 5, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What did you think would happen?
Next step: tests.
2   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 5, 10:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Next step is to fire up a couple of Tomahawks.
3   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 10:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
So quick! It's almost as if they were planning this before the Iran Deal was cancelled.


Yes, because it's not like Trump had been telegraphing this move for 1+ years. How in the world could they have been planning for this contingency??
4   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 5, 10:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Heraclitusstudent says
What did you think would happen?


Not my point. My point is boy were they ready to go, all done in a matter of days.

It's almost as if everything was prepped to go the moment the inspection regime expired.
5   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 10:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
It's almost as if everything was prepped to go the moment the inspection regime expired.


No kidding. Like I said--anyone with half a brain knew this decision was coming over a year ago.
6   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 5, 10:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Good thing, not a moment too soon.

What did they do with all those Billions in ObamaCash? They've stopped paying supporters, economy is in shambles, daily strikes...

They spent it on Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas, and Syria, of course. What you're seeing in Gaza is Iranians paying Hamas to try to create some distraction and take the heat off. The Saudis are about to take the last port in Yemen controlled by the Houthis. Hezbollah VIPs are having 'mysterious accidents'...
7   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 5, 11:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
It's almost as if everything was prepped to go the moment the inspection regime expired.


No kidding. Like I said--anyone with half a brain knew this decision was coming over a year ago.


But wouldn't the same happen when the deal would expire in 10 years? They clearly singal that they are after the bomb no matter what. So, how is letting them enjoy 10 years w/o sanctions, repair their economy and strenghten their regime is setting up the stage for Iran w/o the bomb? I understand why somebody like Obama would want this deal ("legacy" - now, while "le deluge" will come long "apres moi"), but overall it's a bad fucking deal.
8   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Now would be a good time to take away Israel training wheels and see if they can cut it on their own. Americans can’t afford to waste so much protecting a shitty foreign Failed State. Those resources would be better spent fighting back against enemy #1 Saudi Arabia

Know thy enemy

“Nationalists” lmao
9   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 11:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Hassan_Rouhani says

But wouldn't the same happen when the deal would expire in 10 years? They clearly singal that they are after the bomb no matter what. So, how is letting them enjoy 10 years w/o sanctions, repair their economy and strenghten their regime is setting up the stage for Iran w/o the bomb? I understand why somebody like Obama would want this deal ("legacy" - now, while "le deluge" will come long "apres moi"), but overall it's a bad fucking deal.


I think the goal would be to help establish a democracy in Iran.

In any event 10 years with no bomb is better than 10 years with the bomb.
10   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 11:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Now would be a good time to take away Israel training wheels and see if they can cut it on their own. Americans can’t afford to waste so much protecting a shitty foreign Failed State.


The most liberal, advanced and tolerant country in the Middle East (Israel) is considered a "shitty foreign Failed State"? This type of hostility to Israel is an increasing phenomenon by many on the Left..........particularly the frat boys that ran Obama's foreign policy. And people wonder why Israel was happy to see Obama go?

Anyhoo - look how much instability and death Iran was able to inflict in just a year under the Iran Deal where they spent billions (we gave them) fomenting war in Yemen and working with Russia and Assad to spam city centers with chemical weapons. All the while they are firing hundreds of rockets into Israel from their proxies in Syria.
11   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
Aphroman says
Now would be a good time to take away Israel training wheels and see if they can cut it on their own. Americans can’t afford to waste so much protecting a shitty foreign Failed State.


The most liberal, advanced and tolerant country in the Middle East (Israel) is considered a "shitty foreign Failed State"? This type of hostility to Israel is an increasing phenomenon by many on the Left..........particularly the frat boys that ran Obama's foreign policy. And people wonder why Israel was happy to see Obama go?

Anyhoo - look how much instability and death Iran was able to inflict in just a year under the Iran Deal where they spent billions (we gave them) fomenting war in Yemen and working with Russia and Assad to spam city centers with chemical weapons. All the while they are firing hundreds of rockets into Israel from their proxies in Syria.


Republicans have a strange affliction to giving away our goods to Israel, and also defending the people responsible for 9/11, like when Bush rushed the bin laden crew to safety in the moments after they took down the twin towers. Sad
12   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 11:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Republicans have a strange affliction to giving away our goods to Israel, and also defending the people responsible for 9/11, like when Bush rushed the bin laden crew to safety in the moments after they took down the twin towers. Sad


Getting into 9/11 Troofer territory now.
13   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 5, 12:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Hassan_Rouhani says

But wouldn't the same happen when the deal would expire in 10 years? They clearly singal that they are after the bomb no matter what. So, how is letting them enjoy 10 years w/o sanctions, repair their economy and strenghten their regime is setting up the stage for Iran w/o the bomb? I understand why somebody like Obama would want this deal ("legacy" - now, while "le deluge" will come long "apres moi"), but overall it's a bad fucking deal.


I think the goal would be to help establish a democracy in Iran.

In any event 10 years with no bomb is better than 10 years with the bomb.


The exact same thinking was employed when all these deals were made with NK: "let's give them an inch today - in 5 years the regime will collapse and democracy will bloom anyway". Never happened.
As for "10 years without the bomb" - this wouldn't be so bad if it didn't come with the second part - "legal bomb after 10 year wait". But this is exactly what the deal is. It gives two carrots to the Mullas - economic relief now and legalization of their bomb in 10 years. It gives carrot the stupid short-sighted Europeans want for themselves: contracts for Siemens, Airbus and such. And what it gives us (except the "legacy" for Obama)? We will be the ones who will be called to deal with nuclear Iran wneh it decides to make good on their promise to "wipe out" Israel. How the fuck this is a good deal again? You don't seriously expect Germans, French or Italians to get involved, do you? Even if they wanted (LOL) they would run out of breath in 2 days (as Lybia campaign has shown). Fucking Germany has half of their fucking tanks not running and 2/3 of their fucking helicopters not flying. And this is on 4th year of Russia being "adventurous" in Europe.
14   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 12:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

As opposed to the previous 50 years of sanctions? What did that get us?

Certainly didn't stop them from working to build the bomb.
15   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 5, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Now would be a good time to take away Israel training wheels and see if they can cut it on their own. Americans can’t afford to waste so much protecting a shitty foreign Failed State. Those resources would be better spent fighting back against enemy #1 Saudi Arabia


You realize Israel's budget is around $120B and that the Israeli economy is exploding to new heights? So the $3.5B gift certificate to buy US equipment, if cancelled, wouldn't do shit.

But of course the Left now hates Israel. and thinks Gaza with it's Pizzerias, Multistory AC Malls, Massive Obesity Problem (3rd Fattest women, just behind Kuwait and Saudi Arabia), is being oppressed in an open-air prison.
16   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 5, 12:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
Aphroman says
Republicans have a strange affliction to giving away our goods to Israel, and also defending the people responsible for 9/11, like when Bush rushed the bin laden crew to safety in the moments after they took down the twin towers. Sad


Getting into 9/11 Troofer territory now.


Are you denying facts, or just too busy looking for Obama’s birth certificate still?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/10/saving-the-saudis-200310
17   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 12:22pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
As opposed to the previous 50 years of sanctions? What did that get us?


- We didn't have Iran tromping around Syria helping Assad and Putin gas Syrian Sunnis creating the biggest refugee crisis we have seen since WWII fucking up Europe.
- We didn't have Iran setting up missile sites in Syria launching rockets into Israel risking further regional war.
- We didn't have Iran fomenting civil war in Yemen causing massive humanitarian catastrophe.

Face it, the "Iran Deal" gave Iran free reign and billions of dollars to create alot of mischief in the Middle East causing alot of death and destruction.
18   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 5, 12:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
Face it, the "Iran Deal" gave Iran free reign and billions of dollars to create alot of mischief in the Middle East causing alot of death and destruction.


That's why Obama couldn't make it a treaty. There was no support in the Senate from either party.
Flat Affect Ben Rhodes the Creative Writing expert.
19   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 12:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
But of course the Left now hates Israel. and thinks Gaza with it's Pizzerias, Multistory AC Malls, Massive Obesity Problem (3rd Fattest women, just behind Kuwait and Saudi Arabia), is being oppressed in an open-air prison.


I love it when moron Lefties accuse Israel of "genocide" in Gaza and the West Bank. Yet the Palestinians have one of the highest birth rates and fastest growing populations in the world.
20   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 5, 2:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
I think the goal would be to help establish a democracy in Iran.

In any event 10 years with no bomb is better than 10 years with the bomb.


Kicking the can down the road?
No bomb forever is the only acceptable scenario.
21   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 5, 2:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
LeonDurham says
As opposed to the previous 50 years of sanctions? What did that get us?


- We didn't have Iran tromping around Syria helping Assad and Putin gas Syrian Sunnis creating the biggest refugee crisis we have seen since WWII fucking up Europe.
- We didn't have Iran setting up missile sites in Syria launching rockets into Israel risking further regional war.
- We didn't have Iran fomenting civil war in Yemen causing massive humanitarian catastrophe.

Face it, the "Iran Deal" gave Iran free reign and billions of dollars to create alot of mischief in the Middle East causing alot of death and destruction.


Fucking obvious to anyone who doesn't have an agenda to defend "O's legacy" at any cost.
22   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 2:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

Kicking the can down the road?
No bomb forever is the only acceptable scenario.


Great---how does ripping up the agreement achieve that?
23   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
We didn't have Iran tromping around Syria helping Assad and Putin gas Syrian Sunnis creating the biggest refugee crisis we have seen since WWII fucking up Europe.


Yeah, we pretty much did. They were mucking around in Syria long before the agreement.
24   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 5, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Great---how does ripping up the agreement achieve that?


Play time is over. No more one-sided agreements with the cash upfront, no ballistic missile development or deployment restrictions, and an inspection regime that quickly fades.

The clock is ticking.

Iran makes a better, stricter, and more enforceable deal or it gets the hose.

If the Mullahs even last another 100 days.
25   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 5, 2:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Strategist says

Kicking the can down the road?
No bomb forever is the only acceptable scenario.


Great---how does ripping up the agreement achieve that?


Sticking with the agreement does not achieve our goal. It actually brings Iran closer to nukes because they can continue their research, and implement a ballistic missile program.
We are now open to renegotiate. Either they agree to NO NUKES EVER, or we bomb their nukes if sanctions don't work.
Nukes in the hands of religious radicals can never be a good thing.
26   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 4:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Play time is over. No more one-sided agreements with the cash upfront, no ballistic missile development or deployment restrictions, and an inspection regime that quickly fades.

The clock is ticking.

Iran makes a better, stricter, and more enforceable deal or it gets the hose.


Again--how is that different than the 50 years before the agreement? When Iran moved closer and closer to getting nukes?
27   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
Sticking with the agreement does not achieve our goal. It actually brings Iran closer to nukes because they can continue their research, and implement a ballistic missile program.
We are now open to renegotiate. Either they agree to NO NUKES EVER, or we bomb their nukes if sanctions don't work.
Nukes in the hands of religious radicals can never be a good thing.


Great-but that's not what I asked. How does ripping it up keep Iran from getting nukes?
28   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 5, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Strategist says
Sticking with the agreement does not achieve our goal. It actually brings Iran closer to nukes because they can continue their research, and implement a ballistic missile program.
We are now open to renegotiate. Either they agree to NO NUKES EVER, or we bomb their nukes if sanctions don't work.
Nukes in the hands of religious radicals can never be a good thing.


Great-but that's not what I asked. How does ripping it up keep Iran from getting nukes?


Lets keep it simple. Ripping it up opens the way for us to enforce a zero nuke tolerance on Iran today. We will use military force to keep Iran from getting the nukes.
29   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 5:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

Lets keep it simple. Ripping it up opens the way for us to enforce a zero nuke tolerance on Iran today. We will use military force to keep Iran from getting the nukes.


Haven't we always had a zero tolerance? Are you willing to start another war in the Middle East with Iran?
30   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 5, 6:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Again--how is that different than the 50 years before the agreement? When Iran moved closer and closer to getting nukes?


And how are things any different after the agreement?

Might as well rip it up to put some pressure on them.

If it was such a great deal, why did it not generate even a modicum of Senate support?
31   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 5, 8:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Strategist says

Lets keep it simple. Ripping it up opens the way for us to enforce a zero nuke tolerance on Iran today. We will use military force to keep Iran from getting the nukes.


Haven't we always had a zero tolerance? Are you willing to start another war in the Middle East with Iran?


Yes. Because I don't want to see a nuclear war in the future. If we attack Iran, it will be to destroy their nukes and nothing else. We can do it from the air, and if boots are needed, they will be Arab boots.
32   just_passing_through   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 9:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Are you willing to start another war in the Middle East with Iran?


I am! Hell yes, lets get it ON already!
33   just_passing_through   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 5, 9:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
We can do it from the air, and if boots are needed, they will be Arab boots.


After that we should let our Navy use IRAN to dial in our rail guns.
34   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 6, 12:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
Yes. Because I don't want to see a nuclear war in the future. If we attack Iran, it will be to destroy their nukes and nothing else. We can do it from the air, and if boots are needed, they will be Arab boots.


lol--you think it's that simple?

We already destroyed Iraq, so we may as well destroy Iran too. That way the real funder of Terror can rule over the Middle East unopposed.




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