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Democrats admit they are losing bigly, now they admit they would rather the country burn

By Goran_K following x   2018 Jun 9, 7:52am 841 views   82 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    




Basically the Democrats have admitted that they know the economy is roaring and the country is running like a well oiled V8 engine, so instead of saying “hey let’s drop the Trump Derangement and jump on board to help the country”, they’re now hoping for millions to lose their jobs, homes, and well being instead.

This is why the Democrats have lost so bigly between 2010 and now. They are a party of liberal coastal elites who don’t understand anyone outside of Hollywood or Manhattan. They don’t give a fuck about the working class.

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43   Automan Empire   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 9:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Another headline that in no way reflects the reality of what is being discussed. Why do so many right wingers communicate like this?
44   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 9:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
CBOEtrader says
Dont think you understand what authoritarian means. Prove me wrong I guess...who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?


I believe this is against the rules too.


No, it’s not. Answer the question instead of running to hide from it! You haven’t presented a single cogent argument in this entire thread!
45   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 9:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says

No, it’s not. Answer the question instead of running to hide from it! You haven’t presented a single cogent argument in this entire thread!


Maybe I need a primer on the rule then.

Saying--"you don't understand what authoritarian means" seems be a problem to me.
46   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 11, 9:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Automan Empire says
Another headline that in no way reflects the reality of what is being discussed. Why do so many right wingers communicate like this?


Personal Attack!!! Trigglypuff!!

Trump Dick Suckers!!
47   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
You haven’t presented a single cogent argument in this entire thread!


Another one for Goran. I'm sure he missed this one too.
48   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 11, 9:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TDS crowd suffering from lack of coverage. Their master hasn’t told them how to respond yet

Pathetically sad

Hopefully these people will never gain citizenship or else America is fucked
49   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 11, 9:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
CBOEtrader says
Dont think you understand what authoritarian means. Prove me wrong I guess...who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?


Yes, I'd also like to know how Trump is MORE authoritarian than say Obama.


I’m curious what your definition of Authoritarian is, if you don’t seem to think Trump is purely Authoritarian. He worships all the shitty Authoritarian leaders from other countries as well
50   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 10:11am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Goran_K says
Basically the Democrats have admitted that they know the economy is roaring and the country is running like a well oiled V8 engine


Got all that out of a BIll Maher rant now did you ?

Where do you see any admissions of anything ?

Let's hope the economy isn't running like a well oiled Chrysler product V-8 engine. Gotta love those Chrysler products and the fools who buy them.

Why does it have to be a V-8 engine by the way ?
51   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 10:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
I’m curious what your definition of Authoritarian is, if you don’t seem to think Trump is purely Authoritarian. He worships all the shitty Authoritarian leaders from other countries as well


Okay, so layout your case as to why you believe that.
52   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Got all that out of a BIll Maher rant now did you ?

Where do you see any admissions of anything ?

Let's hope the economy isn't running like a well oiled Chrysler product V-8 engine. Gotta love those Chrysler products and the fools who buy them.

Why does it have to be a V-8 engine by the way ?


Do you own a V8 engine? I'm talking about a real american high displacement V8. Nothing sounds more beautiful riding down the highway.

Here's mine.


As for your other points, did you read what Bill Maher actually said? Why would he ask for a crash if the economy wasn't humming like a well oiled beautiful V8? Why would a crash help his team (the Democrats)?
53   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 3:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Do you own a V8 engine? I'm talking about a real american high displacement V8. Nothing sounds more beautiful riding down the highway.


Past that point in my life now, was playing with those when I suspect you were still wearing three corner pants. Always had at least one stupid car and one sensible car until it came time to downsize.

These days I prefer quiet when riding down the highway, music or quiet conversation but since I rarely put more than 4K miles a year on the car, not really a major concern there either.

I actually bought what I needed a vehicle for - a means to go from point A to point B in reasonable comfort with low insurance, maintenance and fuel costs. Power seat etc. and sun roof but otherwise basic transportation ala Corolla. At the rate I am going I will never see 100K on the car in my lifetime.

Goran_K says
did you read what Bill Maher actually said


Read it, ignored it and wrote it off as blather...
54   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 3:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Power seat etc. and sun roof but otherwise basic transportation ala Corolla.




My condolences . I would never drive such a vehicle but I commend you for your bravery.

Feux Follets says
Read it, ignored it and wrote it off as blather...


Lots of voters, especially those working class counties that gave Trump the presidency won't forget it as easily.
55   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 4:27am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
My condolences . I would never drive such a vehicle


Same for the choice on the truck.

Someone once made a very timely comment to me on purchasing automobiles/trucks and other things.

We shouldn't buy the most expensive whatever we can afford - we should buy the one that gives us the most value for our money.

After a long drawn out analysis of my driving needs and vehicle reliability I selected the one that checked off all of the boxes.

Goran_K says
Lots of voters, especially those working class counties that gave Trump the presidency won't forget it as easily.


That works two ways of course. Also works with our allies - not the ones in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey etc. - our real allies.

Seeing as how I am currently residing in middle America they are not forgetting all of the broken promises that really matter - talk only goes so far.
56   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 9:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Feux Follets says
We shouldn't buy the most expensive whatever we can afford - we should buy the one that gives us the most value for our money.


I agree, people should buy what they can afford, and what gives them value. For me, I can't drive a compact shitbox because it's not comfortable for me and I can afford better very, very easily.

Feux Follets says
That works two ways of course. Also works with our allies - not the ones in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey etc. - our real allies.

Seeing as how I am currently residing in middle America they are not forgetting all of the broken promises that really matter - talk only goes so far.


Our allies have no say in our elections, don't give a shit what they think, especially the "allies" expecting us to foot all of their bills.

As for working class counties in middle America, they've made their opinions heard, I don't need anecdotal hearsay.

58   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
authoritarian personality.


I do hope you understand the difference between an "authoritarian personality" and an actual authoritarian ruler. Lots of 2 year olds have authoritarian personalities, not so many todler authoritarian dictators.

Also, any psychologist who suggests they can diagnose Trump from the news is a professional joke.
59   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
As for working class counties in middle America, they've made their opinions heard, I don't need anecdotal hearsay.


Have you somehow conflated working class counties with empty land?
60   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Here's mine.


This is what you'd call a fuck truck, cause, well... it helps w the ladies libitos
61   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says

I do hope you understand the difference between an "authoritarian personality" and an actual authoritarian ruler. Lots of 2 year olds have authoritarian personalities, not so many todler authoritarian dictators.


Thanks--I do.

Authoritarian personalities, when put in positions to rule, tend to be authoritarian rulers.
62   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
Also, any psychologist who suggests they can diagnose Trump from the news is a professional joke.


And violating APA standards about diagnosing from afar.

In fact, labeling political opponents using psychological terms is a form of authoritarianism in and of itself.

Demanding loyalty was standard in leadership not long ago and still is.

Also our past administration was one of the most non transparent and secretive in US history with the all time record for whistle-blower prosecutions and very non communicative with the media
63   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Have you somehow conflated working class counties with empty land?


I hope Democrats continue to think those counties are just "empty land". #Trump2020
64   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
This is what you'd call a fuck truck, cause, well... it helps w the ladies libitos


I get a boner from not being susceptible to being "Climate" shamed.
65   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says

I hope Democrats continue to think those counties are just "empty land". #Trump2020


Me too. The race will be decided in the suburbs. Where working class people actually live.
66   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
what your definition of Authoritarian is


An authoritarian is a leader who grabs and wields power beyond those granted to him by the democratic process and constitution.

Every POTUS of our lifetime has crossed the authoritarian line with some of their worse decisions, such as wars (Bush and Obama) AND expanding the Orwellian surveillance system (every POTUS of our lifetime but especially Bush and Obama).

Only the libertarians who want a constitutionally limited POTUS seem to care about authoritarianism. The D's and R's turn a blind eye whenever their team is leading. Obama was as authoritarian as a POTUS gets, for example. Almost no D called him out.
67   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:43am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Me too. The race will be decided in the suburbs. Where working class people actually live.


Okay, good luck with that.



That represents over 1,000 elected seats. Guess we'll find out in November!
68   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Authoritarian personalities, when put in positions to rule, tend to be authoritarian rulers.


Personality is subjective. Trump certainly has plenty of bizarre quirks.

Authoritarian rulers do actual tangible authoritarian things. If Trump is an authoritarian, what has he done?

Noone gives AF about subjective opinions of Trumps personality.
69   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Okay, good luck with that.


Historically the party of POTUS always takes a few steps back after winning POTUS election. This year may be an anomaly due to massive revealed D corruption. A large part of the D base left after it was discovered they steal primaries. Today's D's similar to R's in 2006. The base no longer trusts the leadership. Either the D's will reinvent themselves or they will splinter, just like the R's over last 10 years.

Prdiction: in POTUS 2024 election the successful D candidates will openly criticize the failure of clinton and the D establishment very much like Trump criticized the failed R establishment. (Can McCain die already?)
70   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 10:53am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
CBOEtrader says
This is what you'd call a fuck truck, cause, well... it helps w the ladies libitos


I get a boner from not being susceptible "Climate" shamed.


Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.
71   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 11:02am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.


Anytime someone uses their virtue signaling to try and come at me, usually someone who has no fighting skill or physical athleticism, I seriously want to punch their teeth out. I respect your restraint.
72   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 11:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.
73   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 11:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
CBOEtrader says
Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.


Yeah that's another issue. Plus few container ships running on crap all year produce more pollutants than all the cars combined. But as long as you can virtue signal you're dandy.
74   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 12:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.


Source? No offense, but usually when one says "I heard" what follows is BS.

I'm seeing 715 kg of CO2 for a flight from Chicago to London.

And 50,000 lbs typical household CO2 emissions.

Seems like you're off by a factor of 100 or so.
75   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 12:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says

As for working class counties in middle America, they've made their opinions heard, I don't need anecdotal hearsay.


Tell all that from Nevada huh ? There are openings in the Trump administration or perhaps a venue as TV show Judge

Goran_K says
agree, people should buy what they can afford, and what gives them value


That is not what I said - far from it.

I said we should not buy the most expensive anything we can afford - we should buy what gives us the most value.

The virtue signaling of immense personal financial resources sounds a lot like a certain duck that used to be here.
76   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 12:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Tell all that from Nevada huh ?


Uh, no, that's an electoral map of the United States.


I said we should not buy the most expensive anything we can afford - we should buy what gives us the most value.

The virtue signaling of personal immense financial resources sounds a lot like a certain duck that used to be here.


That's what I said, I never brought up buying the "most expensive" , that's what a certain duck would do. I'm saying what you can afford (as in, you aren't taking a 30 year loan to buy it), and fits the requirements of what you need. A Corolla doesn't work for me because I hate compact cars (I spent years in Asia driving them).
77   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 12:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Goran_K says
Uh, no, that's an electoral map of the United States.


No shit. Things have changed in the hearts of minds of people since 2016 as the promises made are not being kept especially the ones on good jobs

Goran_K says
people should buy what they can afford


Not the same. Buying what gives the best value vs what someone can afford are not the same.
78   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 1:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.


You're off by a factor of 100 as I detailed in a post that a moderator somehow found offensive.
79   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
No shit. Things have changed in the hearts of minds of people since 2016 as the promises made are not being kept especially the ones on good jobs


Is that a guess, personal desire, or are you basing that on any data?

Feux Follets says
Not the same. Buying what gives the best value vs what someone can afford are not the same.


Not what I was trying to say, you dishonestly cut my quote down to fit your narrative. Regardless, I don't care enough to continue the discussion. Good luck with your compact.
80   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 3:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.


I'll try again. That is incorrect and off by a factor of 100
81   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 3:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Source? No offense, but usually when one says "I heard" what follows is BS.

I'm seeing 715 kg of CO2 for a flight from Chicago to London.

And 50,000 lbs typical household CO2 emissions.

Seems like you're off by a factor of 100 or so.


Not a factor of 100.


According to the World Bank, the average American generated about 16.4 metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2013; according to some calculations, a round-trip flight from New York to San Francisco emits about 0.9 metric tons of carbon dioxide per person. For an American, that represents about one-eighteenth of your carbon emissions for the year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/climate/airplane-pollution-global-warming.html

"I heard" != I read somewhere, not "I'm dying on this hill".

But that being said, NYT article confirms the basic premise and the point stands.

A flight from SFBO to Rio via Panama?

Your flight:
From: San Francisco (US), SFO to: Rio de Janeiro (BR), RIO via: PFN, Panama City, FL [International Airport]A, US, Roundtrip, Economy Class, ca. 21,800 km, 4 travellers
CO2 amount: 16.4 t
https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=1187217

So one family trip to Rio from SFBA with a single stop halfway = entire output of an American over an entire year.

In the example given by CBOE Trader, if a liberal takes 4 international trips a year, it's equivalent to about the same CO2 emission of an average American over an entire year.

Therefore Bragging about driving a hybrid while taking multiple international or frequent transcontinental flights is just virtue signaling.
82   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 3:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Three Single Passenger International Trips to Asia = Entire Average American's yearly CO2 emissions:
https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=1187235

Four Transcontinental Flights = Half of an American's Yearly CO2 Emissions.
https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=1187238
So if you've got a hybrid but fly cross country several times a year, it more than cancels out. Frankly one or two trips cancels it out, and those aren't international flights.

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