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1   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 10, 8:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

But he's the guy who proposed to forgive the annexation and roll back the punishment. Why the sudden urge to imitate Obama a.k.a. wet noodle? Nothing has changed, Crimea is still occupied. No reason to admit Russian fucks back into the club.
2   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Jun 10, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
But he's the guy who proposed to forgive the annexation and roll back the punishment.

As Trump should. Why should Trump condone bad diplomacy? Obama's State Department was a miserable failure, and set out to sabotage and over throw Trump from the beginning. It's like a new guy replacing the old employee. And the old employee sweating that the new employee is going to uncover all of their shit. Which is how most embezzling schemes are uncovered btw.

Obama's admin encouraged and enabled Putin treated him like a dear friend and an ally. Only to thumb our noses and laugh at Putin over the Sachi Winter Olympics.
Russia doesn't owe America or the EU a damn thing. The EU have become more Socialist Corrupt than the height of Russia's USSR dynasty.
The Soviet Union failed and we did nothing but treated them like the dunce and tried to set them up to fail time and time again. We've stirred up Hornets nests on their door steps then dared them to react.
Trump is trying to forge an honest relationship with all of the world make them all independent Global trading partners, and squeeze out scumbags like the Bilderberg party, and the typical scum that hang out at Elite Freaker's Balls. If those bastards want to make money they should risk and invest it in the freetrade global markets. Investors investing between two nations trading. Not trading conglomerate partners that already decided all of the winners and loser, who can produce and grow what. They are the first ones to know what is going to make money and what is not. Because they have already decreed it.

Those people are OUT and will have to fend for themselves. Trump is more interested in strong relations with countries direct than the Socialist NGO ran NWO.
Trump would rather hobnob with Xi, Putin, Kim, Abe, and Sheik Mullah Abah Daddi(AKA here have a diamond necklace) than to pander to the NWO and the NGO's that were told by Obama that they ran Shit around here. What does that tell you? Really what does that tell you, that Trump knows our least likely allies would be our most likely enemies, against what's behind Greendoor in Luxembourg.
Trump needs Putin a hell of a lot more than he needs Merkle Ferkle, Granny Fucker, and the Canadian Diddler.
3   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 10, 9:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
Hassan_Rouhani says
But he's the guy who proposed to forgive the annexation and roll back the punishment.

As Trump should.

Encourage blatant violation of international laws, bi- and multilateral treaties? Why? What's the point?

Obama was too weak to stop Putin, now Trump is following in his footsteps and proposing to give up and accept the landgrab? What's the actual fuck?

The only reason we have this Russian covfefe in Europe is Obama's/Hillary's impotent response to 2008 attack on Georgia - the fucking "Reset". Are you saying you're OK with Trump basically proposing to go full Hillary once again?
4   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Jun 10, 10:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Who's president? Why does he allow China to occupy prefab islands. Why does he allow N.K. to have nuclear weapons & missile to deliver these big firecrackers.

"However, during the 2014 Crimean crisis, the peninsula was taken over by Russia and a referendum on whether to rejoin Russia was held."

The people of Crimea voted & they don't care what Rep/Cons think.
Their election was not "rigged".

5   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Crimean War

The Crimean War (French: Guerre de Crimée; Russian: Кры́мская война́, translit. Krymskaya voina or Russian: Восто́чная война́, translit. Vostochnaya voina, lit. 'Eastern War'; Turkish: Kırım Savaşı; Italian: Guerra di Crimea) was a military conflict fought from October 1853 to February 1856[6] in which the Russian Empire lost to an alliance of the Ottoman Empire, France, Britain and Sardinia. The immediate cause involved the rights of Christian minorities in the Holy Land, which was a part of the Ottoman Empire. The French promoted the rights of Roman Catholics, while Russia promoted those of the Eastern Orthodox Church. The longer-term causes involved the decline of the Ottoman Empire and the unwillingness of Britain and France to allow Russia to gain territory and power at Ottoman expense. It has widely been noted that the causes, in one case involving an argument over a key, have never revealed a "greater confusion of purpose", yet led to a war noted for its "notoriously incompetent international butchery".[7]

While the churches eventually worked out their differences and came to an agreement, Nicholas I of Russia and the French Emperor Napoleon III refused to back down. Nicholas issued an ultimatum that the Orthodox subjects of the Empire be placed under his protection. Britain attempted to mediate and arranged a compromise that Nicholas agreed to. When the Ottomans demanded changes, Nicholas refused and prepared for war. Having obtained promises of support from France and Britain, the Ottomans declared war on Russia in October 1853.

The war started in the Balkans in July 1853, when Russian troops occupied the Danubian Principalities[6] (part of modern Romania), which were under Ottoman suzerainty, then began to cross the Danube. Led by Omar Pasha, the Ottomans fought a strong defensive campaign and stopped the advance at Silistra. A separate action on the fort town of Kars in eastern Anatolia led to a siege, and a Turkish attempt to reinforce the garrison was destroyed by a Russian fleet at Sinop. Fearing an Ottoman collapse, France and Britain rushed forces to Gallipoli. They then moved north to Varna in June 1854, arriving just in time for the Russians to abandon Silistra. Aside from a minor skirmish at Köstence (today Constanța), there was little for the allies to do. Karl Marx quipped, "there they are, the French doing nothing and the British helping them as fast as possible".[8]

Frustrated by the wasted effort, and with demands for action from their citizens, the allied force decided to attack Russia's main naval base in the Black Sea at Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula. After extended preparations, the forces landed on the peninsula in September 1854 and marched their way to a point south of Sevastopol after the successful Battle of the Alma. The Russians counterattacked on 25 October in what became the Battle of Balaclava and were repulsed, but at the cost of seriously depleting the British Army forces. A second counterattack, at Inkerman, ended in stalemate. The front settled into a siege and led to brutal conditions for troops on both sides. Smaller actions were carried out in the Baltic, the Caucasus, the White Sea and in the North Pacific.

Sevastopol fell after eleven months, and neutral countries began to join the Allied cause. Isolated and facing a bleak prospect of invasion from the west if the war continued, Russia sued for peace in March 1856. This was welcomed by France and Britain, as their subjects were beginning to turn against their governments as the war dragged on. The war was ended by the Treaty of Paris, signed on 30 March 1856. Russia was forbidden from hosting warships in the Black Sea. The Ottoman vassal states of Wallachia and Moldavia became largely independent. Christians there were granted a degree of official equality, and the Orthodox Church regained control of the Christian churches in dispute.[9]:415

The Crimean War was one of the first conflicts to use modern technologies such as explosive naval shells, railways and telegraphs.[10](Preface) The war was one of the first to be documented extensively in written reports and photographs. As the legend of the "Charge of the Light Brigade" demonstrates, the war quickly became an iconic symbol of logistical, medical and tactical failures and mismanagement. The reaction in the UK was a demand for professionalisation, most famously achieved by Florence Nightingale, who gained worldwide attention for pioneering modern nursing while treating the wounded.


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