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America’s allies should respond to steel tariffs with targeted sanctions on the Trump Organization

By Feux Follets following x   2018 Jun 10, 1:22pm 242 views   14 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    

Forget retaliating against America; retaliate against something Trump cares about: his money.

Our trade partners are planning to respond to President Donald Trump’s imposition of new taxes on steel and aluminum imported from those countries by hitting back with tariffs of their own — attempting to inflict economic harm on American companies and mobilize political pressure on Trump to relent.

This is a fine idea. (It’s conventional for a reason.) But it does tend to founder on a few problems. One is that it’s simply not clear whether Trump cares about the welfare of American citizens or even thinks about the potential political ramifications in a normal way.

Another is that, with overall economic conditions generally pretty good in the United States right now, you’d need to inflict a lot of retaliatory pain for it to be noticeable to normal Americans. Last but by no means least, the true perversity of trade war is that it’s genuinely lose-lose.

But there is a better way.

When China wanted to get Trump to let the Chinese tech conglomerate ZTE off the hook for repeatedly violating sanctions against North Korea, it didn’t try to make concessions to the American people. It had a Chinese state-owned enterprise approve a huge loan to an Indonesian real estate project that will feature Trump-branded hotels, condos, and a golf course.

America’s democratic allies probably can’t (and certainly shouldn’t) bribe Trump and his family in this way, but they both can and should do the opposite: work together on a package of targeted sanctions narrowly designed to inflict pain specifically on the Trump Organization.

America’s allies should come together and retaliate against Trump rather than retaliating against the American people.

Sanctioning the Trump Organization

The Canadian writer Scott Gilmore is also thinking along these lines, and makes the case for sanctioning the Trump Organization in Maclean’s.

“Canada could add a tax to Trump properties equal to any tariff unilaterally imposed by Washington,” he writes. “The European Union could revoke any travel visas for senior staff in the Trump organization. And the United Kingdom could temporarily close his golf course.”

The potential points of leverage here are quite real. Trump has two golf courses in Scotland and one in Ireland. The wine list at BLT Prime in Trump’s DC hotel is full of European vintages. Travel sanctions could also be painful. Donald Trump Jr. was vacationing in Spain as recently as April.

Hitting Trump personally might work on its own terms. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is chaired by Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), who has committed to working to halt Trump’s tariffs. So has Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), who also sits on the committee. Both Corker and Flake have also, from time to time, offered commentary on Trump’s basic unfitness for office. What they’ve never done is exerted their power as US senators to engage in meaningful oversight over his corruption and conflicts of interest. Directly injecting Trump’s business interests into an international conflict might spur them to actually do their jobs.

More: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/5/17422492/sanction-trump-organization

#Sanctions #Tariffs #Trump #Policy

2   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 1:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What has hating America got to do with our allies targeting the Trump organization instead of the American public ?
3   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 10, 1:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
What has hating America got to do with our allies targeting the Trump organization instead of the American public ?

Either you love Trump with blind unquestioned loyalty, or you hate America.

- a certain segment of the population that isn’t very good at being Americans
4   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2018 Jun 10, 1:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump hospitality guests are terrorists. No reason not to send out snipers to pick them off for a reality show.
5   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 1:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
a certain segment of the population that isn’t very good at being Americans

Must be the ones that don't put their hand over their hearts during the national anthem huh ?

6   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 1:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
blind unquestioned loyalty

Blind unquestioned anything is sure way to get yourself killed. Much prefer to do my own thinking...
7   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 2:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Feux Follets says
What has hating America got to do with our allies targeting the Trump organizatio
The authors of the posted link are encouraging our trading competitors to take actions to thwart the president from obtaining more favorable trade terms for the USA. Other than that, sophomoric writing and guy at the bar pontificating plagues the article.
8   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 10, 7:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Fuck those Putos! They are no Allies of ours. That cunt with the Illuminati fingers thought She was running Shit around here. Fuck her and the Honda Prius She rode in on, the unpatriotic cunt. Drive a German Car for God Sakes and quit bing a Commie puss. Oh Trump! he's in charge didn't they get the Memo?
9   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 2:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Not only would sanctions directed at Trump be effective, they would also be fair. Bourbon distillers and motorcycle workers bear no guilt, so it is unfair to punish them (also standard practice in trade wars but still unfair).

I’m afraid that what this really shows is that in the struggles among the powerful, the little people are pawns. Sanctions on Trump personally would cause pain to fewer people (I think a (modest) majority of US citizens woud actually be pleased). They would be vastly more effective, because Trump is totally egocentric. But they would be, and are perceived to be, a dangerous escalation.

Directing the punishment at innocent peons is a way of showing it is nothing personal (while saying it is personal). Just a normal policy debate.

Sanctions on Trump personally would be less extreme in that they would directly hurt fewer people, but they would be perceived as very extreme, because the person hurt is present at the G-7 meeting.

Sanctions on individuals are not part of normal trade conficts. There are sanctioned individuals, but they are not members of the club (many are Iranian some are Russian).

10   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 2:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@MisterLefty - People who hate America should vacate America ?

How come that wasn't around from say January 2009 thru January 2017, for all of the true "patriots" ?

Does this go along with the if you don't support the war you are not a good American, or patriot and further more you are a subversive commie pinko fag ? Heard that one during Vietnam, Gulf War I, the Iraq War, Afghanistan...

Is it un American to not support sending young people off to get killed, maimed for life physically and or psychologically and then tossed aside so someone can look good in photo ops, enrich themselves and their friends with the spoils of war ?

You're either with us or against us right ? Even if it means being with us is totally screwed up - pick our side or you are not a good American and a traitor as well.
11   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 2:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MisterLefty says
authors of the posted link are encouraging our trading competitors to take actions to thwart the president from obtaining more favorable trade terms for the USA

By sanctioning the Trump family crime syndicate ?
12   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 3:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

For the Trumpette Cheerleaders...

I May Not Agree With Everything Trump Says, But It’s My Duty As An American To Repeat All Of His Talking Points Basically Verbatim

As a conservative voter, there are parts of Trump’s agenda that I agree with and other actions he’s taken that I find troubling or simply bizarre.

However, as a patriotic American it’s my duty to memorize Trump’s talking points, ignore my own misgivings, and defend the president by quoting him essentially verbatim.

When the president speaks, you memorize what he said, and then say those words even when you know you are extremely wrong. That’s just how it is.

I’ve been a Republican my whole life, and my main issues are lower taxes and protecting states’ rights, so I was shocked and upset when Donald Trump tweeted that he wanted to ban transgender people from the military. But I didn’t whine or complain or voice my conscience; I simply did what I knew was right and worked small-minded, offensive arguments about how trans soldiers are distracting and unfit for service into everyday conversations to blindly turn myself into a pale shadow of the president.

Before attacking the president by pointing out the many flaws in his reasoning, why don’t you try agreeing with everything he says?

Whenever President Trump says something that I find morally reprehensible, it is my sworn duty to essentially copy and paste his words into a Facebook post prefaced with “Here’s what I believe.” And I wouldn’t be a patriot if I didn’t fight with anyone in the comments pointing out the discriminatory or duplicitous nature of the statement even though I often agree with them 100 percent.

Before attacking the president by pointing out the many flaws in his reasoning, why don’t you try agreeing with everything he says?

The only people complaining about Trump are biased against Trump according to Trump, so you can’t trust anyone that questions the president, even when that person is you.

This is America. If you’re not prepared to sell your values down the river to spew President Trump’s talking points word for word, well, you can find a different country to live in.

For the good of the country, Republicans like me must unite to automatically parrot whatever knee-jerk policy announcement Trump has surprised us with over Twitter.

Conservatives must abandon our own long-held viewpoints and ideologies in favor of the random hodgepodge of right-wing causes Trump happened to talk about today.

Sometimes it’s difficult to repeat Donald Trump verbatim when it goes against my very sense of right and wrong, but I know history will look kindly on patriots like me who compromise their integrity to echo the rhetoric of a president they vehemently disagree with.

13   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 3:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Nobody will care about the tiny points of order, who got snubbed, or how the sausage got made. Voters just care about if things are generally going well or generally going poorly. Poorly means they’ll vote for regime change, as they did in 2010 and 2016. Good times get a vote for more of the same!

Results matter. Get used to it. You’re not going to trick the general population into voting against their own well being.
14   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Blah, blah, blah.

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