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Trump Tries to Destroy the West.

By marcus following x   2018 Jun 10, 3:39pm 2,100 views   60 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Even if you suffer from the Trump loving type of TDS syndrome, it makes sense to at least listen to the opinions of others and see if they make any kind of sense to you. Just play devils advocate for one minute and see if you can at least see why so many others see what they do.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/opinion/g7-trump-quebec-trudeau.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=Blogs

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1   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 3:42pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The West which has sold out and turned on its own people for a globalist leftist cultural marxist agenda? Good.
2   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 3:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Many European countries like DT and their numbers are growing.
3   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Jun 10, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm waiting for everyone's status quo to be upset. Wonder how much you can stand?
Exciting times ahead!
4   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 5:55pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lets see free trade and globalism for all except government employees-who get all the protectionist barriers. Import unlimited third worlders,e xport all our jobs-except government workers and blame Trump for everything.
5   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 5:55pm   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sure @marcus I'm very willing to listen.

I can see that Donald the person is obnoxious, and yet I can also see that his policies are directly helping the masses of working class people, black, white, whatever, who have been screwed over by the export of their jobs and the mass import of illegals.

So why don't you like him?
6   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 6:10pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
government employees-who get all the protectionist barriers


In addition to government employees, there are lots of powerful groups representing the upper and upper-middle classes who get protectionist barriers. Just look at the top bribers of congress and it's all pretty clear:

* doctors have the AMA, so it is illegal to use, say, highly qualified radiologists in India to interpret xrays and other scans for 10% of the cost of a US specialist
* drug makers have the Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America, and so it is illegal to import Canadian drugs for 30% of the cost of identical US drugs
* all of the cell carriers have powerful lobbies, and so Americans pay almost 5 times as much as other developed countries for cell service:

“on average, the OECD found that Americans pay $635.85 on cell phone service, compared to $131.44 per year in the Netherlands or $137.94 per year in Sweden.”

https://consumerist.com/2009/08/12/congratulations-americans-we-pay-the-most-for-cellphone-service/

The problem is too much diversity which leads to most of the public not giving a shit about the nation as a whole, and not putting in the effort to stop corruption and globalization (which are basically the same thing) by really paying attention and holding elected officials accountable.

The solution is to stop emphasizing diversity and instead emphasize unity as Americans, so that we all feel we have a stake in the future of the country, and not just retreat into our own little enclaves which don't give a shit or have just given up hope.
7   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 6:35pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I can see that Donald the person is obnoxious, and yet I can also see that his policies are directly helping the masses of working class people, black, white, whatever, who have been screwed over by the export of their jobs and the mass import of illegals.


Yeah, Patrick. That pretty much sums up The Trump in just two, succinct sentences.

The Left doesn't get the second sentence at all. <-- And that pretty much sums up the Left in one single sentence.
8   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 6:43pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

1) The entire Post War Global Order was created in order to contain the Soviet Union. Trade was used as a way to bribe other nations for US security gains...with the exception of NAFTA.
2) Soviet Union has been gone since 1993.
3) Coincidentally, NAFTA came about right after 1993.
4) No more Cold War, no more need for America to maintain all those concessions or even the entire post-war system itself. Only 12% of US GDP was involved in foreign trade at most. Down to 8% now that oil imports are vanishing.

What is amazing is not what is finally happening, but how long it took America to start on this path of geostrategic repositioning.
9   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 6:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
1) The entire Post War Global Order was created in order to contain the Soviet Union. Trade was used as a way to bribe other nations for US security gains...with the exception of NAFTA.
2) Soviet Union has been gone since 1993.
3) Coincidentally, NAFTA came about right after 1993.
4) No more Cold War, no more need for America to maintain all those concessions or even the entire post-war system itself. Only 12% of US GDP was involved in foreign trade at most. Down to 8% now that oil imports are vanishing.

What is amazing is not what is finally happening, but how long it took America to start on this path of geostrategic repositioning.


Agreed.
10   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 6:48pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The solution is to stop emphasizing diversity and instead emphasize unity as Americans


Exactly. Diversity is great for coming up with novel approaches to problems, but it’s horrible for unity and cooperation.
12   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 10, 7:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thing are gonna Change! Around here... Some of you Assholes are going to get a raise and a better standard of living, you GOT THAT!
I don't want to hear no whining and pissing and moaning about being able to afford an Adult sized life either. Get out there and make some money and contribute to the economy you lazy mopes, Bernie is not giving you Free Shit. Nuh uh UH! Not today! The Liberals done troad him out.
It's Trump or the Clinton goons, cupcakes make up your mind... To late we're going the udder way wid dis.
13   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 10, 8:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Sure @marcus I'm very willing to listen.


So you read the article then ? Which part did you disagree with the most ?

Patrick says
The problem is too much diversity


Diversity, and diversity of thought, diversity of opinions are not the same as out of control identity politics. Actually it's unity and a lack of diversity of thought that has caused problems on the left.

You're simply advocating for the same thing on the right, but apparently don't realize it. Nationalism is terrible and in my opinion has the potential to lead to terrible outcomes beyond what we can imagine.

I'm not claiming to have the answer though. Is Trump stirring things up becasue he thinks he has the answer ? Or just becasue he can ?
14   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

I can see that Donald the person is obnoxious, and yet I can also see that his policies are directly helping the masses of working class people, black, white, whatever, who have been screwed over by the export of their jobs and the mass import of illegals.

So why don't you like him?


At least you agree he is Obnoxious.

Trumps policies are very populist and short term and are white leaning. Leaving aside the job growth rate , which followed the Obama era growth, let us see how are his short term policies.

Coal: Support Coal which is the fuel of the past over the fuel of future such as solar. In short term US will save jobs but in the long rum other countries will develop better technology. Most (86%) of the coal employees are white and 85% are white.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18.htm


Taxes : Taxes were cut but at the expense of deficit. Tax cut was a steroid shot for an already healthy economy and we are going to see a big inflation.

Environment : I would argue against Trump but this is more of a Republican agenda.



Any other policies that you want to talk about
15   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
The West which has sold out and turned on its own people for a globalist leftist cultural marxist agenda? Good.


But the average current tariff of the United States, Britain, Germany and France is identical, according to the World Bank: 1.6 percent. Japan’s is 1.4 percent, and Canada’s is 0.8 percent. Yes, every country has a few objectionable tariffs, but they’re small — and the United States is not a victim here.
16   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Even if you suffer from the Trump loving type of TDS syndrome, it makes sense to at least listen to the opinions of others and see if they make any kind of sense to you. Just play devils advocate for one minute and see if you can at least see why so many others see what they do


I have no doubt that Putin is somehow asking Trump to do this. Where are the real republicans

But the average current tariff of the United States, Britain, Germany and France is identical, according to the World Bank: 1.6 percent. Japan’s is 1.4 percent, and Canada’s is 0.8 percent. Yes, every country has a few objectionable tariffs, but they’re small — and the United States is not a victim here.
17   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Even if you suffer from the Trump loving type of TDS syndrome, it makes sense to at least listen to the opinions of others and see if they make any kind of sense to you. Just play devils advocate for one minute and see if you can at least see why so many others see what they do


I have no doubt that Putin is somehow asking Trump to do this. Where are the real republicans

But the average current tariff of the United States, Britain, Germany and France is identical, according to the World Bank: 1.6 percent. Japan’s is 1.4 percent, and Canada’s is 0.8 percent. Yes, every country has a few objectionable tariffs, but they’re small — and the United States is not a victim here.
18   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Diversity, and diversity of thought, diversity of opinions are not the same as out of control identity politics. Actually it's unity and a lack of diversity of thought that has caused problems on the left.


Fuck, it happened. I agree with Marcus. Completely.
19   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:34pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
white leaning. Leaving aside the job growth rate , which followed the Obama era growth, let us see how are his short term policies.

Coal: Support Coal which is the fuel of the past over the fuel of future such as solar. In short term US will save jobs but in the long rum other countries will develop better technology. Most (86%) of the coal employees are white and 85% are white


You Leftists try so very hard to make populism into racism. It’s just not true and you’ve become the racists you rail against. Whether you’re actively discriminating against whites and Asians or treating black people like irresponsible children, you’re more racist than egalitarian.
20   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 10, 8:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
1) The entire Post War Global Order was created in order to contain the Soviet Union. Trade was used as a way to bribe other nations for US security gains...with the exception of NAFTA.


Exactly, it was used as way to improve their economies, retarding the growth of Communism.

However, it trained US Companies in overseas arbitrage, and the MFN for China and NAFTA with Mexico was immediately set up as a great way to offshore for great profits.

We don't treat the Europeans and Asians as equals, but in need of our patronage. Then Wall Street took full advantage. This must end.

No Chicken Exports, No Wine Imports, France. Don't want to let in our trucks, Kraut? Great, no Siemans Medical Equipment.

The Europeans have a great racket going. We take all the shit for keeping the MENA oil flowing and the Russians out. We pay for all of that, too. Meanwhile, the money they save on Defense and Security goes instead to their infrastructure and economy, giving them an advantage on top of the Cold War Era Special Treatment that is long past the expiration date.

Got to stop!
21   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:48pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Nationalism is terrible and in my opinion has the potential to lead to terrible outcomes beyond what we can imagine.


You're saying two different things in one sentence:

1. Nationalism is terrible
2. Nationalism has the potential to lead to terrible outcomes

I disagree with 1, but do agree with 2.

Without some degree of nationalism, there is no nation. It's all about degree. Some amount of nationalism is necessary and good, and we don't even have that amount anymore.
22   someone else   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Trumps policies are very populist and short term and are white leaning.


"White leaning"? Please explain.

Coal miners? Does anyone actually want to be a coal miner?
23   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 10, 9:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Trump Tries to Destroy the West.


Trump is a communist? I knew there was something different about him.
24   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 10:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
white leaning


What is an example of a white leaning trump policy?
25   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 11:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
mell says
The West which has sold out and turned on its own people for a globalist leftist cultural marxist agenda? Good.


But the average current tariff of the United States, Britain, Germany and France is identical, according to the World Bank: 1.6 percent. Japan’s is 1.4 percent, and Canada’s is 0.8 percent. Yes, every country has a few objectionable tariffs, but they’re small — and the United States is not a victim here.


It's not so much the tariffs here. All the countries you mention are facing similar issues being sold out. They are all overrun by illegals in a deliberate attempt to weaken the autochthon populace and its cohesiveness. Politicians will happily jail a citizen for not paying a couple of tickets while they let rapefugees get scot free for horrible crimes and devastating whole neighborhoods. Check London, Paris, Berlin etc. Macron pretty much admitted the other day that France has lost control over immigration and that the local leaders in the problem areas need to "help themselves" now.
26   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 11:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It would be hard to find a more delusional opinion piece.

Strategist says
marcus says
Trump Tries to Destroy the West.


Trump is a communist? I knew there was something different about him.


Yeah the hypocrisy is dense here. The extreme left literally says they want the power structures of the west to fall. Meanwhile, Trump and the other supposed "right wing" movements of other countries are literally saying they want to protect western liberalism.

Yet Marcus and other supposed moderate lefties say Trump and the worldwide anti-globalist backlash is a threat to western culture? Just amazing to watch double speak in action.
27   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 11, 12:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Macron pretty much admitted the other day that France has lost control over immigration and that the local leaders in the problem areas need to "help themselves" now.


A whopping 100,000 asylum seekers in a country of 67 million is hardly overrun by illegals. Especially sine they aren't illegal, they are perfectly legally seeking asylum. If they don't get asylum, only 16,000 were granted last year, they get deported, the same as the rest of Europe. They don't hang around home depot parking looking for work off the books for 30 years.

France has lost control of it's immigrant ghettos where they have kept their north african cheap labour imports of the 1950's/60/s pretty much imprisoned. Racism against North Africans in France makes 1950's southern states look like champions for blacks. No one outside the ghettos will rent to them. They can't get work. They can't get education. Many can't get citizenship after living in France for generations. Then the French complain the immigrants don't assimilate. The local leaders in the ghettos have to "help themselves" because the French authorities won't bother to.

The French created their own immigrant problem over the last 60 years that has nothing to do with the current asylum seekers. They deserve it too. A little knowledge of the subject instead of regurgitated talking points would be a good thing for informed commentary.
28   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 11, 12:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Trump and the other supposed "right wing" movements of other countries are literally saying they want to protect western liberalism.


Trump and Bannon came into the white house literally saying they wanted to protect western liberalism? So let me get this straight in my mind. The rabid anti liberal republican base voted into the white house a man who was literally saying he wanted to protect western liberalism. Was that reported in breitbart? I somehow missed reading about that altogether. It's just amazing what you learn on patent.
29   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 11, 1:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
The rabid anti liberal republican base voted into the white house a man who was literally saying he wanted to protect western liberalism


Yes. A little knowledge of the subject instead of regurgitated talking points would be a good thing for informed commentary. The autonomy of the individual, aka classic western liberalism, is the opposite of the progressive values of today's left.

Trump otoh defends western liberalism. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-praise-for-western-civilization-if-we-dont-forget-who-are-we-just-cant-be-beaten

"The West became great not because of paperwork and regulations but because people were allowed to chase their dreams and pursue their destinies," Trump contended. "Americans, Poles, and the nations of Europe value individual freedom and sovereignty.

We must work together to confront forces, whether they come from inside or out, from the South or the East, that threaten over time to undermine these values and to erase the bonds of culture, faith, and tradition that make us who we are."
30   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 11, 1:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
The autonomy of the individual, aka classic western liberalism, is the opposite of the progressive values of today's left.
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Give me a fracking break. The half formed ideology that never became more than a theoretical navel gazing excersize from 200 years ago? Seriously? Classic western liberalism has been dead as a doornail since the civil war. What a joke.

You do remember classic liberalism was anti democracy don't you? They also believed starvation was good for populations control.
31   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 11, 2:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
The half formed ideology that never became more than a theoretical navel gazing excersize from 200 years ago?


You mean the ideology upon which our individual sovereignty is based? Yes, it's a cultural distinction worth fighting for.

Your disdain for classic liberalism isn't surprising, considering your leftist tribal affiliation. Thanks for proving my point.

bob2356 says
Classic western liberalism has been dead as a doornail since the civil war.
Yup, the D and R oligopolists have taken us in a fascist direction. Good thing someone, at least, is reminding us to embrace our diminishing personal freedoms rather than globalism.
32   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 11, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Tim Aurora says
white leaning. Leaving aside the job growth rate , which followed the Obama era growth, let us see how are his short term policies.

Coal: Support Coal which is the fuel of the past over the fuel of future such as solar. In short term US will save jobs but in the long rum other countries will develop better technology. Most (86%) of the coal employees are white and 85% are white


You Leftists try so very hard to make populism into racism. It’s just not true and you’ve become the racists you rail against. Whether you’re actively discriminating against whites and Asians or treating black people like irresponsible children, you’re more racist than egalitarian.


Oh, Goran--I believe this is similar to the post you zapped this morning. Referring to the poster when saying Leftists.

Should I keep going? How many more til it's a trend?
33   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 11, 10:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

bob2356 says
The half formed ideology that never became more than a theoretical navel gazing excersize from 200 years ago?


You mean the ideology upon which our individual sovereignty is based? Yes, it's a cultural distinction worth fighting for.

Your disdain for classic liberalism isn't surprising, considering your leftist tribal affiliation. Thanks for proving my point


Funny how you managed to skip over the parts of classic iiberalism that don't agree with your ideology. Not surprising. Read Karl Polanyi's study of classic liberalism to find out what it actually was rather than the mises idealized fictional version. You do remember that free trade and globalism through extra sovereign institutions was one the cornerstone of classic liberalism don't you? Classic liberalism in mainland Europe, which laster longer than the US or the UK totally broke down in the depression and directly lead to the rise of Hitler and fascism. Is this where you believe we should be going?

Leftist tribal affiliation? ROFLOL. Sorry, strictly middle of the road moderate, 25 year dues paying former republican at that. The problem is the right has moved so far right that they can't even see the middle any more. everything left of fascism is leftist tribal affiliation.
34   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 11, 10:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
A secret plan to break up the West would also have the United States looking for new allies to replace the discarded ones. The most obvious would be Russia, the biggest rival within Europe to Germany, France and Britain.


OK, explain this one for me: if "Russia is the biggest rival within Europe to Germany, France and Britain" (I agree with this, btw), why the fuck Germany bending over backwards in order to accomodate Putinfuck's desire to have another pipeline for his gas exports? They push for the project to which US, Poland and host of other European countries strongly object. Donald doesn't tell them to do it - quite contrary, he urged them to scrap the project. Unlike some lip service to possible return of Russiafucks into G8 (I oppose this, btw) which is just words, giving the fucks another pipeline to increase their exports is a concrete action which directly favors Russia and increases Putin's leverage in Europe. So, who's being Putin's bitch and trying to destroy Western unity again?
35   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 11, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
A whopping 100,000 asylum seekers in a country of 67 million is hardly overrun by illegals. Especially sine they aren't illegal, they are perfectly legally seeking asylum. If they don't get asylum, only 16,000 were granted last year, they get deported, the same as the rest of Europe. They don't hang around home depot parking looking for work off the books for 30 years.


Many are illegal in the context that many countries now put the Maghreb countries into the list of safe countries, so there is no right to apply in Europe. Consider Morocco bidding for the next 2026 soccer world cup. I'm all for more alliances with more countries but they need to not only share benefits, but also responsibilities, such as housing those next to them if necessary.

bob2356 says
France has lost control of it's immigrant ghettos where they have kept their north african cheap labour imports of the 1950's/60/s pretty much imprisoned. Racism against North Africans in France makes 1950's southern states look like champions for blacks. No one outside the ghettos will rent to them. They can't get work. They can't get education. Many can't get citizenship after living in France for generations. Then the French complain the immigrants don't assimilate. The local leaders in the ghettos have to "help themselves" because the French authorities won't bother to.


I disagree on that. The racist French is merely a myth. They have given many economically motivated (and few politically motivated) a great life and are being rewarded with mayhem in the banlieus. If you come into a foreign country you have to earn your accolades.

bob2356 says
The French created their own immigrant problem over the last 60 years that has nothing to do with the current asylum seekers. They deserve it too.


How are past mistakes, if any, reason for them to deserve violence and mayhem? Fact is they are the ones giving shelter, money and food and they have every right to close their borders and deport those that don't behave. Please.
36   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 11, 1:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Yeah the hypocrisy is dense here. The extreme left literally says they want the power structures of the west to fall. Meanwhile, Trump and the other supposed "right wing" movements of other countries are literally saying they want to protect western liberalism.

Yet Marcus and other supposed moderate lefties say Trump and the worldwide anti-globalist backlash is a threat to western culture? Just amazing to watch double speak in action.


I always forget that the Left believes a Utopia or near Utopia is possible if we only radically adjust society. They ignore all failures to do so on various grounds, such as "The US doesn't trade with Cuba" (forgetting that it does trade with 90% of the rest of the World), "We didn't spend enough money" (a Poverty Program favorite), or "Institutionalized Racism" (nevermind that inner city police forces are heavily minority and have been for decades, now rappers whinge about "White Acting Black Cops", plus affirmative action across all Federal and State contracting and institutions).

And all previous efforts that failed were not 'True Socialism'. Just like von Mises types whinge about "True Free Markets" with no regulation whatsoever never have existed.

So getting rid of the annoying West and the US in particular is the "Final Obstacle" in the pursuit of a "Humanitarian Society".
37   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 11, 1:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
"The West became great not because of paperwork and regulations but because people were allowed to chase their dreams and pursue their destinies," Trump contended. "Americans, Poles, and the nations of Europe value individual freedom and sovereignty.


The Greatest reason for third world poverty is redistribution of wealth, and the iron hand of family, clan, and tribal groups. No surplus can ever be held to further develop, since family/clan members demand any largess be immediately distributed for consumption.

And going to @Patrick 's point, there is no sense of Nationalism like Americans or Europeans under stand it. In most third world countries, a few powerful Clans share power and there really isn't much of a nation and little loyalty or respect for it. Gaza, Senegal, etc.

You know why you never hear about Microloans anymore? Families and Clans pressured women to take out loans, then spent the money and there was a default. It was supposed to be for tools to make more shit, but it ended up being defaulted on after Cousin Tanta and Uncle Mboto got their Samsung J1s instead of for Kotakinte's propane stove to start a meat pie shop.

Just like giving out free clothes ruined the textile industry in the third world.

It's ironic that the Left hates Nationalism when it's a key component of the Enlightenment.
38   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 11, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
OK, explain this one for me: if "Russia is the biggest rival within Europe to Germany, France and Britain" (I agree with this, btw), why the fuck Germany bending over backwards in order to accomodate Putinfuck's desire to have another pipeline for his gas exports? They push for the project to which US, Poland and host of other European countries strongly object. Donald doesn't tell them to do it - quite contrary, he urged them to scrap the project. Unlike some lip service to possible return of Russiafucks into G8 (I oppose this, btw) which is just words, giving the fucks another pipeline to increase their exports is a concrete action which directly favors Russia and increases Putin's leverage there. So, who's being Putin's bitch and trying to destroy Western unity again?


Germany is playing for it's own superiority like they always have done. Even Hitler got over Bolshevism for a while to get all that grain, nickel, and oil between August 1939 and June 1941. They'll spend almost nothing on Defense, relying on the USA, while talking down the USA worldwide and adding to their Oil and Gas supplies with Russia.

PS Donald Tusk of Poland is regarded as the most Corrupt Polish politician, not just by the right but most Centrists and leftists as well. The Poles themselves came out in the tens of thousands to protest a fellow Pole being EU President - that's how low their opinion is of him.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/09/donald-tusk-re-elected-as-european-council-president-despite-polish-opposition
39   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 11, 1:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
marcus says
A secret plan to break up the West would also have the United States looking for new allies to replace the discarded ones. The most obvious would be Russia, the biggest rival within Europe to Germany, France and Britain.


OK, explain this one for me: if "Russia is the biggest rival within Europe to Germany, France and Britain" (I agree with this, btw), why the fuck Germany bending over backwards in order to accomodate Putinfuck's desire to have another pipeline for his gas exports? They push for the project to which US, Poland and host of other European countries strongly object. Donald doesn't tell them to do it - quite contrary, he urged them to scrap the project. Unlike some lip service to possible return of Russiafucks into G8 (I oppose this, btw) which is just words, giving the fucks another pipeline to increase their exports is a concrete action which directly favors Russia and increases Put...


I disagree on Russia being the enemy and also on Germany rising up for domination. It's much simpler you have to make deals with your neighbors to thrive and react to geopolitical situations. The EU as an economic and military union is not a bad idea but countries still need to be free to make their own deals. It's fine if Trump tells them not to partner with Russia but they may do so anyways. New deals will be made and old ones reneged. NATO is obsolete.
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We should have an Anglophone Trade and Military Alliance, just for Canada, UK, Australia, NZ, and perhaps Singapore.

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