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What am I missing? N.Korea etc...

By joshuatrio following x   2018 Jun 12, 2:06pm 1,905 views   93 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I read the comment section on various articles about Trump/N.Korea blah blah...

All the liberals/SJW's are melting down about how Trump gave everything to China/Russia. Am I missing something here?

From my understanding, the only thing Trump agreed to was stopping the twice a year joint exercises that can be restarted at a moments notice. Doesn't seem like much of a concession, AND North Korea halted nuclear and missile testing, gave us our hostages, and verbally agreed to denuclearize. While there is a massive way to go still and an official treaty still needs to be done with verifiable checks - how is this a loss? Why are all the libbies claiming Trump gave it all to China/Russia and all this other conspiracy theory bullshit?

In my opinion, this is a great step towards peace, and aversion to nuclear war.

WTF???

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54   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This is the work of a master negotiator operating in the 17th dimension...libbies will never comprehend no matter how many art degrees they accumulate...

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The fact that these meeting even happened is a slap in the face to China. They were counting on using the North Korean issue as leverage in keeping their unfair trade practices.
55   CL   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 5:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

How would you imagine we’d be SAVING money? We don’t fire the soldiers and they’ll still be needed, just in case NK isn’t trustworthy.

The move would actually cost more in the shorter run and you’d have to trust congress and the pentagon longer term.
56   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Level 14 in play here. Pre-negotiation make it look to kim like trump can be his friend, as he disses kims enemies.

ThreeBays says
Is it leftist/SJW to point out how un-American Trump acted by giving the finger to western allies and then laying praise on a commie dictator war criminal?
57   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 7:32am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CL says
How would you imagine we’d be SAVING money? We don’t fire the soldiers and they’ll still be needed, just in case NK isn’t trustworthy.

The move would actually cost more in the shorter run and you’d have to trust congress and the pentagon longer term.


Because the troops based in the US will be spending their money at home, helping local economies instead of overseas areas. Also, no rent or other payments to foreign governments for the permission to keep bases and related facilities.
58   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 7:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Poor Trump must admire Kim's freedom. All the billions and POTUS power and it's still not OK for him to attach dissenters to anti-aircraft guns and blow them to smitherines. So unfair, and the Constitution is so dishonest.
59   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 8:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
Oh come on Patrick! We firebombed numerous Japanese cities killing hundreds of thousands and escalated to using nukes. Germany was completely rubbled and cut in half between the West and the USSR.


That was the war.

After the war, both Germany and Japan were treated very well and rebuilt.

Iraq, not.
60   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 8:16am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
After the war, both Germany and Japan were treated very well and rebuilt.

Iraq, not.


It’s tough to rebuild when the people of the region keep maliciously blowing up anything you build for them. Fucking Islam.

Not that it mattered. The rebuilding process was intended to benefit one constituency: the corporations which donated to W’s campaign. Remember Halliburton? Hundreds of billions in contracts in exchange for millions on the campaign trail. That’s how democracies do coalition politics!
61   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 10:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
They don't need Kim to do that.


Sorry, when you depend on hundreds of billions in exports to keep your economy going, and have no welfare system, you depend on the client, not the other way around.

Somehow people think that we didn't make most of this shit ourselves, which we did going into the 1990s.

Kind of like banking: You owe the bank some money, you have a problem. When you owe the bank a lot of money, the bank has a problem.
62   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 10:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
Demilitarization : You mean Iran Deal. Right ? North Korea deal has no specifics.


This is the negotiation phase. BUT, unlike the Iran deal, DPRK halted all nuke and ballistic testing and released hostages prior to the negotiations.

Iran didn't give up jack shit to get the Iran Deal negotiations going.
63   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 11:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Where is Obama, Bill Clinton, Baby Bush & Jimmy Carter?

They are pretty quiet! Maybe they haven’t heard the news about North Korea yet!

Somebody send this video to them pic.twitter.com/q3BuK3Q0gX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) June 13, 2018

64   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Sorry, when you depend on hundreds of billions in exports to keep your economy going, and have no welfare system, you depend on the client, not the other way around.


Does the US not depend on Chinese buying billions in debt? China holds north of $1,170,000,000 of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, China that's who.
65   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 12:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Does the US not depend on Chinese buying billions in debt? China holds north of $1,170,000,000 of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, China that's who.



Nope, we do not depend on the Chinese buying our debt. US Government Debt is one of the most desirable financial assets in the World and more than two thirds of long term Treasuries are held domestically.

Debt is only a problem when you are approaching default and have few options. Currently the dollar is very strong and US Treasuries are in high demand.The rest of the world owns 5x the long-term Treasuries as China, and the domestic market is many, many times China's holdings. The Federal Reserve alone has 2x the holdings of all of China in US Treasuries.



China buys US debt primarily to control the valuation of the Yuan, and to a lesser extent because of the Trade Deficit, and their unwillingness to buy American products in return leaves them with few options other than to buy Treasuries. In 2011, China dumped $200B in US Treasuries over a few days and suddenly, nothing happened - to the US Economy. China now owns less debt that it did.

Thanks to Bretton Wood, almost all world currencies are pegged to the US Dollar and buying US Treasuries is the best mechanism to stabilize and legitimize a foreign currency.

When China shifts from buying US Debt, it will only be because they are buying or investing American, or a desperate attempt to send the Yuan into free fall which would have MASSIVE Chinese Domestic consequences. Keep in mind Chinese are huge savers, all cash or real estate, and a devalued, non-dollar pegged Yuan would cause immense domestic hardship and rage. There's no welfare state in China to soften the blow, either.
66   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
China now owns less debt that it did.


What kind of statement is this? $100 billion less than there all time high .... BFD

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The rest of the world owns 5x the long-term Treasuries as China,


Wrong again. A little over 4x but who's counting... apparently me.

As of March 2018 China $1.19 T. Whole world $6.29 T
6.29-1.19= 5.1/1.19= 4.28x DNE 5x
67   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
What kind of statement is this? $100 billion less than there all time high .... BFD


They sold ~$200B in one swoop in 2011 and suddenly, nothing happened to the US Economy.

RafiMaas says

Wrong again. A little over 4x but who's counting... apparently me.

As of March 2018 China $1.19 T. Whole world $6.29 T
6.29-1.19= 5.1/1.19= 4.28x DNE 5x


Over 4x to 5x, not a big deal and minimal compared to domestic holdings in any case. Japan holds about as much, also. It's necessary for the world since the USD is the underpinning of the Global financial system with no immediate rival. There are multi-decade contracts for trillions upon trillions for everything from Oil/Gas to Corporate Bonds to Long Term Commodity Contracts that are USD denominated. If China dumps US Teasuries - which because of the varying maturity is more likely to hurt them really bad - others will benefit. And hundreds of millions of Chinese who save 25% of their income in cash and real estate will scream bloody murder as a huge chunk of their lifetime of savings is obliterated overnight - and blame their own Government.

BTW, if China does this, a proportionate tariff to at compensate for the lost value of the Yuan will beat the shit out of China, that would be rocked by massive unemployment and savings destruction on top of that. That'll teach 'em, while creating tons of new domestic jobs.
68   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The rest of the world still owns far more
but nobody holds as much as China. What if the rest of the world sides with China? Trump really has only one (or does he have two now) true friend in the rest of the world, Putin.

How much debt is Russia holding?
69   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 13, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
What if the rest of the world sides with China?


Sides to do what? To what end? Over what spat? What kind of fantasy it this anyway?
70   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 2:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
but nobody holds as much as China. What if the rest of the world sides with China? Trump really has only one (or does he have two now) true friend in the rest of the world, Putin.


Japan holds almost as much. I believe the difference between China and Japan is a few tenths of a percent.

RafiMaas says
How much debt is Russia holding?


Miniscule, relative to either China or Japan, and certainly relative to the overall ownership rate. Be surprised if it was more than 1% at the very best.
72   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 4:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Well it has always been suspected of being the case.
Of course we all have to trust that the translator does not have an agenda, or take mavis beacon's online courses and do the word associations ourselves...

Hassan_Rouhani says
Interesting document: http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/PRC-Central-Committee-document-translation-revised.pdf
73   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 4:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

fuck i meant rosettas stoned...
74   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 8:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        



This response did not age well.

76   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 9:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever make mistakes. Let's face it, it's another YUGE victory for TRump just like the tax cuts. Count your chickens people before they've hatched with Trump, every time. The guys a winner. If you question the intelligence of what he does, you're an SJW faggot. This is exactly as the founding fathers intended.

It's so easy to see through those vapid libtard morons. They act like they are analyzing reality, like they're some kind of analytical wonks but we all know the truth. That is they hate Trump. We know that everything Trump does is awesome and brilliant and beyond criticism. He never does things just for the optics, just for the "win." He's playing the long game.

All the analysts criticism is just becasue it's Trump and they hate him because they envy him. THere is no such thing as a legitimate criticism of anything Trump does. Criticism of Trump is the very definition of fake news. Actually it's treason, and if there were justice in this world all those that are critical of Trump would be tortured or worse.
77   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 14, 7:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Does the US not depend on Chinese buying billions in debt? China holds north of $1,170,000,000 of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, China that's who


Does the US not depend on the FED buying billions in debt? The FED holds massive amounts of of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, the FED, that's who. China can buy up US income producing assets with their dollars (through proxies if need be). No reason for them to quit exporting their junk to the usa.
78   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 14, 7:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
If you question the intelligence of what he does, you're an SJW faggot. This is exactly as the founding fathers intended.


Is there a difference between questioning the intelligence of what he does in a calm reasonable manner and just flat out saying FUCK TRUMP to get praise and applause? Is it impossible that someone you hate can do something good? Is it normal that fully grown adults result to childish insults as to what he eats and how he combs his hair? Is it unreasonable to question the motives behind why someone who hates Trump to express exactly what it is that generated such hatred? Are their unproven generic reasons enough? (he's a rapist, he's a racist)
79   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 14, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

komputodo says
Is it normal that fully grown adults result to childish insults as to what he eats and how he combs his hair?


Actors and musicians are not really "fully grown adults". Mentally most of them closer to children. Hence the childish behavior.
80   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 14, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

komputodo says
Is it normal that fully grown adults result to childish insults


Such as "little rocket man"?

No, it's not normal, but that's who we selected as president!
81   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
Neither Trump nor the GOP ever make mistakes. Let's face it, it's another YUGE victory for TRump just like the tax cuts.

Sure is. Name the US President that got North Korea to suspend all nuke and ballistic missiles voluntarily.

I'll wait.
82   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 5:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

2017-March 2018: Donnie is gonna get us into NUCLEAR WAR!!! There's no way he'll succeed where Glorious Clinton, Bush, and Obama failed. Obama's meeting with Iranian Oligarch Theocrats to give them all their money back with minimal, time-limited inspections was a breakthrough!

March 2018-: Donnie met a dictator! Nevermind he got suspension of DPRK's nuclear and ballistic missile program before they even met as a precondition! He met a dictator, didja hear me? He's gonna make the Chinese mad by creating a void between Kim and the Communist Chinese!!!

Donald Trump Cthulhu R'ley Ftagh!!! IA Shub-Niggurath!!! Donnie is lean an athirst! They're coming to take me away hee hee hoo hoo to the funny farm with chirping birds where life is beautiful all of the time!!!! Why won't Kim nuke us to prove Donnie Devil Wrong!!! Ting Tang Orange Douche Bing Bang! HOO HOO HEE HEE HAH HAH!!!!
83   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 5:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Please be patient. Nothing has been done and John Bolton is patiently waiting just off stage left.

Doesn't take a rocket man or rocket scientist to figure out what comes next when it comes time to save face - bigly.

He did do an awesome job though of saluting that North Korean General !


Mmmm hmmm. Trump Bashers have been dead on, so far. From an inevitable Hillary Victory, to Russian Collusion, to the Travel ban being unconstitutional, to stopping his SCOTUS appointment, to a nuclear holocaust if Trump strongarmed DPRK.

84   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 5:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

That reminds me



Update: Unemployment lowest in decades.

Also, "Why doesn't the average American twuuuusssstt us", said the Government Employee.
85   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 5:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
He didn't strongarm anyone or anything


Oh?

Will Trump's hardball tactics work on China and North Korea?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/07/opinions/china-north-korea-opinion-lind/index.html

August 2017: Hyberbolic Rhetoric: Recommends that Trump tone it down
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-way-out-of-trumps-ad-lib-war-with-north-korea

Answer: YES.

Yet more Pundits proven wrong.
86   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 5:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It's funny, the Media still thinks this is 1985 where they can make totally bullshit predictions and not be called on it because nobody is going to schlep to the Library's microfiche collection and check a few months gone by.
87   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 5:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Getting desperate now citing CNN which is well known fake news outlet.


Yeah, I'm citing their Pundits who have been 100% Incorrect.

Feux Follets says
Back to the blame the media routine now ?


Yep, the Media deserves blame from surrendering 90% of it's coverage to completely incorrect Pundits.

Should I give them a pass for being blatantly and confidently wholly wrong?

When opinion is a big chunk of your business, it's well deserved when your product consistently not only underperforms, but is 180 degrees from accurate.

Feux Follets says
The entire time Potus has been in office is to create one or more daily distractions by whatever means necessary to keep the attention away from what is going on behind the curtain.



Ah, you're learning. Some might call that very Sun Tzu style deception.

Maybe you'll start seeing the purpose behind deliberately misspelling tweets.
88   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 6:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

17 baby! Do I need to extrapolate?
TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Ah, you're learning. Some might call that very Sun Tzu style deception.

Maybe you'll start seeing the purpose behind deliberately misspelling tweets
89   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 14, 6:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Ambien ?

Dementia?

Small Hands and Fingers ?

ADHD ?

Barron is actually doing the typing ?


So Close, and you lost it.

Better for me and my preferred policies, however.
90   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 15, 5:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
That reminds me



Update: Unemployment lowest in decades.

Also, "Why doesn't the average American twuuuusssstt us", said the Government Employee.


Unemployment lowest in decades LMAO. Odd, I remember the Trumpublicans would rush to correct the Obama supporters every time the Unemployment rate dropped, precipitously, under Obama, that UE rate is a Failed Loser metric, and Labor Participation Rate is what matters. What changed? Other then the skin color of the President....


91   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 24, 1:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Speaking of people miscalculating we would all do well to remember who is on the Official Potus cabinet dying for chance to launch something on someone somewhere.


Would that be Kim launching on Guam like he threatened?

Is Guam still on the planet?
92   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 24, 6:08pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Anyone foolish enough to believe Kim was/is a genuine threat to Guam and for that matter California deserves Drumpf as Potus.


Apparently that includes ALL your Liberal buddies at the famous TDS MSM:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/asia/north-korea-guam-threat/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/29/asia/north-korea-missile-launch-guam-threat/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/world/asia/north-korea-guam-missiles-kim-trump.html
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/15/north-korea-guam-nuclear-weapons-215493
http://time.com/4895904/north-korea-guam-why-threatening-donald-trump-missiles/
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-kim-jong-un-praises-missile-launch-prelude-contain-guam-656788
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/north-korea-guam/536286/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/09/why-north-korea-threatened-guam-the-tiny-u-s-territory-with-big-military-power/?utm_term=.e552dc410de6
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/9/16118078/north-korea-guam-bases-trump
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-us-naval-drills-north-korean-threat/
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/north-korea-seriously-considering-strike-on-guam-reports-citing-state-media.html
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-threat-impact-guam-tourism-industry-2018-767849
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/09/542384201/why-is-north-korea-threatening-guam

So, there you go, all of the major MSM showing their TDS, apparently they didn't get the memo, and believe NK is a threat to Guam.

Now you know why Trump got elected!

Any questions?

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