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What am I missing? N.Korea etc...

By joshuatrio following x   2018 Jun 12, 2:06pm 1,176 views   112 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I read the comment section on various articles about Trump/N.Korea blah blah...

All the liberals/SJW's are melting down about how Trump gave everything to China/Russia. Am I missing something here?

From my understanding, the only thing Trump agreed to was stopping the twice a year joint exercises that can be restarted at a moments notice. Doesn't seem like much of a concession, AND North Korea halted nuclear and missile testing, gave us our hostages, and verbally agreed to denuclearize. While there is a massive way to go still and an official treaty still needs to be done with verifiable checks - how is this a loss? Why are all the libbies claiming Trump gave it all to China/Russia and all this other conspiracy theory bullshit?

In my opinion, this is a great step towards peace, and aversion to nuclear war.

WTF???

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1   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Jun 12, 4:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Trump is God!
We shall have peace on earth.

It's all talk,photo event,see their names on the front page & TV, there are no specifics.
Will Trump withdraw all nuclear armed ship,subs & planes from the area? Our continental based missiles can reach NK?
Kim will simple arm his military with sticks & stones.
We have an armistice/truce.
We have no peace agreement.
Does the U.S. stand by it's word? Ask the American Indian.

Kim should not disarm,nuclear,until the Blaspheming Israelis do.
Love using the Christian religion against so called Christians that are going to hell.
2   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 4:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth, and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit — the first in history — was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-up negotiations, led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

(Signed)

DONALD J. TRUMP

President of the United States of America

KIM JONG UN

Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

June 12, 2018

Sentosa Island

Singapore
3   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 4:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

joshuatrio says
Why are all the libbies claiming Trump gave it all to China/Russia and all this other conspiracy theory bullshit?


Must be some libbie GOP congressional members lurking around as well.

No to concern - the real "patriots" will take up arms and put an end to this subversion of the Greatest President the U.S. and the world has ever known.

joshuatrio says
how is this a loss


Potus legitimized Kim on the world stage, something that will have far reaching and unintended consequences. Far from being marginalized Putin and Xi have also been raised by riding on the coat tails of this.

Dumping the hostages was a teaser.

Not sure anyone from any political party that has the best interests of the country at heart as opposed to the best interests of their political party
is hoping for failure but are taking a hard look and pondering.

It does seem that only a week or so on here several of the most loyal followers of the Golden Golem were insinuating quite strongly that Kim's nukes would be gone in heartbeat and Potus was a shoo in for the Nobel prize for peace.

Told you before - Potus was out of his league on this one - postponement of the summit would have been for the best but now that it's done, "we shall see" in the worlds of Potus.

As this summit was unfolding, I kept hearing Dubya talking about Putin...Bush: I looked in his eyes and saw his soul.
4   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 4:58pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Potus legitimized Kim on the world stage, something that will have far reaching and unintended consequences. Far from being marginalized Putin and Xi have also been raised by riding on the coat tails of this.


Oh please. Kim has been part of the world stage for years. He's been on the front page of national headlines and has an arsenal of nukes for years.

I think libs just hate a win when they see it. In fact, I'm more and more convinced of this everytime I read slanted headline.
5   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 5:10pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

BREAKING NEWS:

9th Circuit Court of Appeals orders DPRK Nuclear and Ballistic Missile Testing to continue.
6   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 5:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Why? This is all the explanation you need to know:
7   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 5:21pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

This is truly an epic win for The Donald, and it very difficult to spin it otherwise.
8   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 5:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
This is truly an epic win for The Donald, and it very difficult to spin it otherwise.


An epic win is NK with no nukes So far the only thing that has happened is an agreement to talk. We've talked for 30 years including 2 treaties. If just agreeing to talk is an epic win what was signing a treaty then? Exponential epic win?
9   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 5:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Patrick says
This is truly an epic win for The Donald, and it very difficult to spin it otherwise.


An epic win is NK with no nukes So far the only thing that has happened is an agreement to talk. We've talked for 30 years including 2 treaties. If just agreeing to talk is an epic win what was signing a treaty then? Exponential epic win?


I already explained this to you:

joshuatrio says
bob2356 says
Where is the winning? There were 2 actual real signed nuclear deals already and nothing happened. All that has happened so far is trump and K saying let's do lunch some time. I'll applaud after there are results not self promoting.

Where is the negative in pointing out the realities of the situation anyway? It's called analysis which is neither positive or negative.


For starters, I'd say two countries having an open dialogue is a great start. That's more than previous Presidents.

If the end goal is de-nuclearization, why all the media hate? If Obama had done this, he would have been given a gold star and a key to the city.

Better than threats, tweets, lines in the sand etc..
10   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 5:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

joshuatrio says
Oh please. Kim has been part of the world stage for years


Oh please.

Kim has not gotten this kind of legitimacy as a major player before. He has been on the outside looking in however that is now in the past.

Like it or not being asked to take part in the summit by a sitting U.S. President elevates him to an entirely new level and for better or worse the leader of a nuclear armed nation that is powerful enough now to warrant this kind of attention.
11   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 5:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

joshuatrio says
I think libs just hate a win when they see it


Forgot to mention Obama and HIllary, libbies are unpatriotic etc.

What slanted headlines ? For the God's sake man they are coming from every conceivable political spectrum with the exception of Breitbart, Alex Jones, Jim Hoft etc.

No one is cheering for a damn failure out of this but they sure are expressing legitimate concerns and questions without having to stage a parade like those given conquering generals in Rome to appease someone's sense of worth and value.
12   Aphroman   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 12, 6:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Patrick says
This is truly an epic win for The Donald, and it very difficult to spin it otherwise.


An epic win is NK with no nukes So far the only thing that has happened is an agreement to talk. We've talked for 30 years including 2 treaties. If just agreeing to talk is an epic win what was signing a treaty then? Exponential epic win?


You mean like this

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/world/asia/04diplo.html
13   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
This is truly an epic win for The Donald, and it very difficult to spin it otherwise.


B-B-B-ut, anonymous, probably unemployed former State Department Revolving Door People say this was impossible, would lead to nuclear war, and now that it's successful, it's all Moon's doing.

hahahahahahahaha You can't believe the 180s they do...
14   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:21pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This is what you missed:
15   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
B-B-B-ut, anonymous, probably unemployed former State Department Revolving Door People say this was impossible


Can't stay away from Obama now can we ? Let's keep this laser focused on Trump
16   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Kim has not gotten this kind of legitimacy as a major player before. He has been on the outside looking in however that is now in the past.

Like it or not being asked to take part in the summit by a sitting U.S. President elevates him to an entirely new level and for better or worse the leader of a nuclear armed nation that is powerful enough now to warrant this kind of attention.


Notice how playing ball with Trump comes with rewards. You go from Rocket Man to Chairman Kim.

Feux Follets says
Can't stay away from Obama now can we ? Let's keep this laser focused on Trump


Oh, I'm sure they were failing under Bush as well. Those experts with a long list of failed attempts at diplomacy and what few agreements they did get were underwhelming.

Victoria "Nurse Ratched" Nuland must be frothing at the mouth.
17   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Notice how playing ball with Trump comes with rewards. You go from Rocket Man to Chairman Kim.




And Potus is still a Dotard. One more win for Kim !
19   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:43pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I don’t recall all the “experts” criticizing Obama when he met with a brutal dictator in Cuba who also oversaw a police state & also killed & jailed his opponents. #DoubleStandard
20   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:44pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Man, it's amazing to watch some folks call others delusional, as they deny massive progress towards a breakthrough 70-years in waiting.
21   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 6:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I personally don't see any special #win there, but I don't see any #loss either. So far the situation is similar to Bush removing NK from terrorist-sponsoring countries list in exchange to desctruction of a reactor cooling tower. It's too early to tell whether this new talks end up the same way (i.e. nothingburger) or lead to something bigger. I just don't trust the fucking commie fucks. Unless these regimes are completely dismantled they will continue playing fucking games. One look at the Russian fucks is all proof you'll ever need.
23   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:54pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This is what you missed:
24   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 6:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

joshuatrio says
All the liberals/SJW's are melting down about how Trump gave everything to China/Russia. Am I missing something here?

From my understanding, the only thing Trump agreed to was stopping the twice a year joint exercises that can be restarted at a moments notice.


He also said he would pull our 28K military personal out of SK.

I'm not judging it bad, but to deny it's a big concession ?

Interesting where we've gotten with our politics. If someone is critical of Trump, they must be a liberal/SJW.

In other words, I guess if you're a republican, it's impossible for Trump to fuck up, and if you're liberal that's all he ever does.

Isn't being an American wonderful ?

Case in point:
Patrick says
This is truly an epic win for The Donald, and it very difficult to spin it otherwise.
26   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Trump’s vow to end South Korea military drills and pull out troops confounds Seoul and contradicts Pentagon stance

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2150491/trumps-vow-end-military-drills-south-korea-contradicts-pentagon

Seems like pretty classic Trump to me.

I guess that guarantees we will be the first ones not to honor our side of the deal.

I guess removing the troops is a carrot for a future deal, and not include with this "deal."
27   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2018 Jun 12, 7:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

If you're not taking a shit on Sean Hannity's face, you're not paying attention
28   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Booger says
I don’t recall all the “experts” criticizing Obama when he met with a brutal dictator in Cuba who also oversaw a police state & also killed & jailed his opponents.


Were you applauding him ?
29   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 7:17pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
He also said he would pull our 28K military personal out of SK.


Woah, that's excellent if true. At least a billion dollars in savings every year.

Another win.
30   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 7:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Since I have a friend who was decently deployed to Korea, I’m glad for peace. Oh and no impending nuclear doom on our Left Coast is also good for us in California. I’m sorry if that hurts your policy wonk pride or feelings. Sure NK is still an awful place with awful human rights abuses. But if Cuba is any measure, isolation just makes the situation worse. While China, with the same horrible communist past, came out of isolation and became prosperous and much improved over the bad old days of Cultural Revolution.

Giving an opponent a measure of legitimacy is the ONLY way to resolve a conflict without a fight. Trust must go both ways, and if your position is that your enemy is completely incapable of being trusted, there can be no conflict resolution beyond total war.

Nobody but Libtards want that.
31   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
marcus says
He also said he would pull our 28K military personal out of SK.


Woah, that's excellent if true. At least a billion dollars in savings.



I'm not qualified to know if it's a win or not. But it turns out it wasn't promised as part of this deal.
32   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
Nobody but Libtards want that.


Funny how it takes a right wing TrumpCuck to know what the libtards want.

I would think you could just ask 10 libtards to find out what they want, but no, more fun to lie out your ass about what they want. You know, becasue of some Bill Maker meme. Isn't it great being an American ?
33   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 7:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
Giving an opponent a measure of legitimacy is the ONLY way to resolve a conflict without a fight.


True. You can't really win and have peace unless you give them a bit of honor as part of the deal.

America did not totally squash Germany after WWII, and also left the emperor in nominal charge of Japan, and those worked out well.

GW Bush was both an asshole and a moron and completely destroyed the Iraqi power structure and murdered Saddam, who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. We are still suffering the consequences. Bush should be in jail.
34   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

joshuatrio says

What am I missing? N.Korea etc...


This is what relatively neutral people are saying.


The statement, which American officials negotiated intensely with the North Koreans and had hoped would be a road map to a nuclear deal, was a page and a half of diplomatic language recycled from statements negotiated by the North over the last two decades.

It made no mention of Mr. Trump’s longstanding — supposedly nonnegotiable — demand that North Korea submit to complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization. It made no mention of North Korea’s missiles. It did not even set a firm date for a follow-up meeting, though the president said he would invite Mr. Kim to the White House when the time was right.

“This is what North Korea has wanted from the beginning, and I cannot believe that our side allowed it,” said Joseph Y. Yun, a former State Department official who has negotiated with the North. “I am quite simply surprised that months of negotiations produced so little.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/world/asia/north-korea-summit.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
35   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

OH, but the Iran deal is TERRIBLE, just terrible.

Isn't it great being an American ?
36   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says


Woah, that's excellent if true. At least a billion dollars in savings.

Another win.


Here's another thought, @Patrick.

The fact that these meeting even happened is a slap in the face to China. They were counting on using the North Korean issue as leverage in keeping their unfair trade practices.
37   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
GW Bush was both an asshole and a moron and completely destroyed the Iraqi power structure and murdered Saddam, who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. We are still suffering the consequences. Bush should be in jail.


The Pentagon has a constantly revised plan for occupying Iraq. One of them was keeping Baa'thists in power to administer the country, at least in parts. Instead, they dropped the plan entirely on the eve of the invasion, along with the person who was supposed to run the show and had prepped for months to do so. Then they fired ALL the Baa'thists right off the bat, and they all ended up in Sunni Militias and many eventually in ISIS.

We didn't even fire all the low level Nazi party members running the Railroads and Post Offices after WW2. It would have been stupid to do so. Hell, the founder of the EU was leader of the Lawyer's Association under the Nazis.
38   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 12, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says


Obama said he'd meet with Kim without preconditions.

Trump established preconditions - suspension of all nuclear and ballistic missle tests, plus release of imprisoned Americans - that Kim met.

Just like Obama gave Iran all the cash and an end to sanctions upfront.
39   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 7:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Is it leftist/SJW to point out how un-American Trump acted by giving the finger to western allies and then laying praise on a commie dictator war criminal?
40   Aphroman   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 12, 7:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

ThreeBays says
Is it leftist/SJW to point out how un-American Trump acted by giving the finger to western allies and then laying praise on a commie dictator war criminal?


Yup liberals ruined everything. Nigger faggots

Thank god and baby Jesus we have the upstanding Christians like Mr Trump to save our souls

Best Black unemployment ever!

Has Obama found his birth certificate yet?

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