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What am I missing? N.Korea etc...

By joshuatrio following x   2018 Jun 12, 2:06pm 2,508 views   93 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I read the comment section on various articles about Trump/N.Korea blah blah...

All the liberals/SJW's are melting down about how Trump gave everything to China/Russia. Am I missing something here?

From my understanding, the only thing Trump agreed to was stopping the twice a year joint exercises that can be restarted at a moments notice. Doesn't seem like much of a concession, AND North Korea halted nuclear and missile testing, gave us our hostages, and verbally agreed to denuclearize. While there is a massive way to go still and an official treaty still needs to be done with verifiable checks - how is this a loss? Why are all the libbies claiming Trump gave it all to China/Russia and all this other conspiracy theory bullshit?

In my opinion, this is a great step towards peace, and aversion to nuclear war.

WTF???

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41   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (33)   2018 Jun 12, 9:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If TRUMPCUNT! weren't an effeminate pretender, he'd have torn out KIMFUCK!'s eyes with an icepick and skull fucked him into a coma, like a normal guy.

FAIL!
42   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 12, 10:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The fact that these meeting even happened is a slap in the face to China. They were counting on using the North Korean issue as leverage in keeping their unfair trade practices.


Good point. I wonder if that was a big part of The Donald's motive. If so, yet another level of winning. Let's count the wins:

1. North Korea agrees to de-nuclearize
2. We pull out 28,000 troops from Korea, saving at least $1B/year and doing the right thing.
3. China has less to power to keep us buying 5x more from them than they do from us.
43   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 4:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
If so, yet another level of winning. Let's count the wins:

1. North Korea agrees to de-nuclearize
2. We pull out 28,000 troops from Korea, saving at least $1B/year and doing the right thing.
3. China has less to power to keep us buying 5x more from them than they do from us.


and the yankees have won the world series already since they say they will. winning. Oh wait, They have to play the season, playoffs, and world series first. Bugger.
44   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 4:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joshuatrio says
In my opinion, this is a great step towards peace, and aversion to nuclear war.


I thought you meant the Iran Deal. Correct ?
45   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 4:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
1. North Korea agrees to de-nuclearize
2. We pull out 28,000 troops from Korea, saving at least $1B/year and doing the right thing.
3. China has less to power to keep us buying 5x more from them than they do from us.


Demilitarization : You mean Iran Deal. Right ? North Korea deal has no specifics.

Pulling out troops and save $1B: I say we bring our military budget to $100B and save the rest $438 billion.

China trade deficit: I do not know what the fuck that means and where that came from.
46   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (33)   2018 Jun 13, 4:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Again, Trump proves he is a cowardly pretender cunt.

A PRECEDENT! with the tools and the will would have pulled an M134 out of his ASSHOLE! the moment he was alone with KIMFUCK! and his entourage and shredded the entire NoKo executive echelon and declared elections with himself and IVANKA! as candidates.

Then, as interim MAN!-GOD! OF! ALL! TIMES!, he would have ordered a month of FUCKING! IN! THE! STREET!s in the run-up to the first NoKo elections and proposed a referendum on the ballot to send out to SoKo for pizza.
47   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 5:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
America did not totally squash Germany after WWII, and also left the emperor in nominal charge of Japan, and those worked out well.

GW Bush was both an asshole and a moron and completely destroyed the Iraqi power structure and murdered Saddam, who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. We are still suffering the consequences. Bush should be in jail.


Oh come on Patrick! We firebombed numerous Japanese cities killing hundreds of thousands and escalated to using nukes. Germany was completely rubbled and cut in half between the West and the USSR. We had war crime trials and executed many senior leaders in Germany and Japan. Compared to Germany and Japan, we went in with a scalpel in Iraq not inflicting a fraction of the destruction (most of the destruction was done by the insurgency after).

Most importantly - we occupied both of these countries for decades, wrote new Constitutions and still have troops there 70+ years later.

If anyone should be in jail, it should be Obama for abandoning Iraq to ISIS and chaos after less than 10 years.
48   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bottom line: this.
Hassan_Rouhani says
I just don't trust the fucking commie fucks. Unless these regimes are completely dismantled they will continue playing fucking games. One look at the Russian fucks is all proof you'll ever need.
49   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (33)   2018 Jun 13, 5:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Oh come on Patrick! We firebombed numerous Japanese cities killing hundreds of thousands and escalated to using nukes.


Right. Curtis LeMay sent chocolates and everyone got mad at him and made stuff up.
50   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

when you have two professional liars negotiating, a concession is not a concession until it is actually implemented...
I put the odds of the 28k withdrawal about 500-1...

marcus says
He also said he would pull our 28K military personal out of SK.

I'm not judging it bad, but to deny it's a big concession ?
51   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Never happen until NK truly denuclearizes.
Anything said otherwise is just smoke...

Patrick says
marcus says
He also said he would pull our 28K military personal out of SK.


Woah, that's excellent if true. At least a billion dollars in savings.

Another win.
52   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (33)   2018 Jun 13, 5:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If Trump wasn't a pretender cunt, he'd have Ivanka on TV demanding Kimfuck's surrender every day, taunting the 'fat dog cunt' about his weight and the size of his dick. Barron would weigh in regularly on these spots squealing, 'Mommee! He calls that a dick?! Hehehehehe!'
53   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Certainly not like the olden days...
marcus says
Isn't it great being an American ?
54   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is the work of a master negotiator operating in the 17th dimension...libbies will never comprehend no matter how many art degrees they accumulate...

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The fact that these meeting even happened is a slap in the face to China. They were counting on using the North Korean issue as leverage in keeping their unfair trade practices.
55   CL   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 5:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How would you imagine we’d be SAVING money? We don’t fire the soldiers and they’ll still be needed, just in case NK isn’t trustworthy.

The move would actually cost more in the shorter run and you’d have to trust congress and the pentagon longer term.
56   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 5:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Level 14 in play here. Pre-negotiation make it look to kim like trump can be his friend, as he disses kims enemies.

ThreeBays says
Is it leftist/SJW to point out how un-American Trump acted by giving the finger to western allies and then laying praise on a commie dictator war criminal?
57   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 7:32am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CL says
How would you imagine we’d be SAVING money? We don’t fire the soldiers and they’ll still be needed, just in case NK isn’t trustworthy.

The move would actually cost more in the shorter run and you’d have to trust congress and the pentagon longer term.


Because the troops based in the US will be spending their money at home, helping local economies instead of overseas areas. Also, no rent or other payments to foreign governments for the permission to keep bases and related facilities.
58   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 7:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Poor Trump must admire Kim's freedom. All the billions and POTUS power and it's still not OK for him to attach dissenters to anti-aircraft guns and blow them to smitherines. So unfair, and the Constitution is so dishonest.
59   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 8:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Oh come on Patrick! We firebombed numerous Japanese cities killing hundreds of thousands and escalated to using nukes. Germany was completely rubbled and cut in half between the West and the USSR.


That was the war.

After the war, both Germany and Japan were treated very well and rebuilt.

Iraq, not.
60   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 8:16am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
After the war, both Germany and Japan were treated very well and rebuilt.

Iraq, not.


It’s tough to rebuild when the people of the region keep maliciously blowing up anything you build for them. Fucking Islam.

Not that it mattered. The rebuilding process was intended to benefit one constituency: the corporations which donated to W’s campaign. Remember Halliburton? Hundreds of billions in contracts in exchange for millions on the campaign trail. That’s how democracies do coalition politics!
61   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 10:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
They don't need Kim to do that.


Sorry, when you depend on hundreds of billions in exports to keep your economy going, and have no welfare system, you depend on the client, not the other way around.

Somehow people think that we didn't make most of this shit ourselves, which we did going into the 1990s.

Kind of like banking: You owe the bank some money, you have a problem. When you owe the bank a lot of money, the bank has a problem.
62   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 10:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Demilitarization : You mean Iran Deal. Right ? North Korea deal has no specifics.


This is the negotiation phase. BUT, unlike the Iran deal, DPRK halted all nuke and ballistic testing and released hostages prior to the negotiations.

Iran didn't give up jack shit to get the Iran Deal negotiations going.
63   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 11:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Where is Obama, Bill Clinton, Baby Bush & Jimmy Carter?

They are pretty quiet! Maybe they haven’t heard the news about North Korea yet!

Somebody send this video to them pic.twitter.com/q3BuK3Q0gX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) June 13, 2018

64   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Sorry, when you depend on hundreds of billions in exports to keep your economy going, and have no welfare system, you depend on the client, not the other way around.


Does the US not depend on Chinese buying billions in debt? China holds north of $1,170,000,000 of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, China that's who.
65   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 12:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Does the US not depend on Chinese buying billions in debt? China holds north of $1,170,000,000 of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, China that's who.



Nope, we do not depend on the Chinese buying our debt. US Government Debt is one of the most desirable financial assets in the World and more than two thirds of long term Treasuries are held domestically.

Debt is only a problem when you are approaching default and have few options. Currently the dollar is very strong and US Treasuries are in high demand.The rest of the world owns 5x the long-term Treasuries as China, and the domestic market is many, many times China's holdings. The Federal Reserve alone has 2x the holdings of all of China in US Treasuries.



China buys US debt primarily to control the valuation of the Yuan, and to a lesser extent because of the Trade Deficit, and their unwillingness to buy American products in return leaves them with few options other than to buy Treasuries. In 2011, China dumped $200B in US Treasuries over a few days and suddenly, nothing happened - to the US Economy. China now owns less debt that it did.

Thanks to Bretton Wood, almost all world currencies are pegged to the US Dollar and buying US Treasuries is the best mechanism to stabilize and legitimize a foreign currency.

When China shifts from buying US Debt, it will only be because they are buying or investing American, or a desperate attempt to send the Yuan into free fall which would have MASSIVE Chinese Domestic consequences. Keep in mind Chinese are huge savers, all cash or real estate, and a devalued, non-dollar pegged Yuan would cause immense domestic hardship and rage. There's no welfare state in China to soften the blow, either.
66   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
China now owns less debt that it did.


What kind of statement is this? $100 billion less than there all time high .... BFD

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The rest of the world owns 5x the long-term Treasuries as China,


Wrong again. A little over 4x but who's counting... apparently me.

As of March 2018 China $1.19 T. Whole world $6.29 T
6.29-1.19= 5.1/1.19= 4.28x DNE 5x
67   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
What kind of statement is this? $100 billion less than there all time high .... BFD


They sold ~$200B in one swoop in 2011 and suddenly, nothing happened to the US Economy.

RafiMaas says

Wrong again. A little over 4x but who's counting... apparently me.

As of March 2018 China $1.19 T. Whole world $6.29 T
6.29-1.19= 5.1/1.19= 4.28x DNE 5x


Over 4x to 5x, not a big deal and minimal compared to domestic holdings in any case. Japan holds about as much, also. It's necessary for the world since the USD is the underpinning of the Global financial system with no immediate rival. There are multi-decade contracts for trillions upon trillions for everything from Oil/Gas to Corporate Bonds to Long Term Commodity Contracts that are USD denominated. If China dumps US Teasuries - which because of the varying maturity is more likely to hurt them really bad - others will benefit. And hundreds of millions of Chinese who save 25% of their income in cash and real estate will scream bloody murder as a huge chunk of their lifetime of savings is obliterated overnight - and blame their own Government.

BTW, if China does this, a proportionate tariff to at compensate for the lost value of the Yuan will beat the shit out of China, that would be rocked by massive unemployment and savings destruction on top of that. That'll teach 'em, while creating tons of new domestic jobs.
68   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
The rest of the world still owns far more
but nobody holds as much as China. What if the rest of the world sides with China? Trump really has only one (or does he have two now) true friend in the rest of the world, Putin.

How much debt is Russia holding?
69   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 13, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
What if the rest of the world sides with China?


Sides to do what? To what end? Over what spat? What kind of fantasy it this anyway?
70   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 2:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
but nobody holds as much as China. What if the rest of the world sides with China? Trump really has only one (or does he have two now) true friend in the rest of the world, Putin.


Japan holds almost as much. I believe the difference between China and Japan is a few tenths of a percent.

RafiMaas says
How much debt is Russia holding?


Miniscule, relative to either China or Japan, and certainly relative to the overall ownership rate. Be surprised if it was more than 1% at the very best.
72   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 4:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well it has always been suspected of being the case.
Of course we all have to trust that the translator does not have an agenda, or take mavis beacon's online courses and do the word associations ourselves...

Hassan_Rouhani says
Interesting document: http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/PRC-Central-Committee-document-translation-revised.pdf
73   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 13, 4:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

fuck i meant rosettas stoned...
74   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 8:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        



This response did not age well.

76   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 13, 9:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Neither Trump nor the GOP ever make mistakes. Let's face it, it's another YUGE victory for TRump just like the tax cuts. Count your chickens people before they've hatched with Trump, every time. The guys a winner. If you question the intelligence of what he does, you're an SJW faggot. This is exactly as the founding fathers intended.

It's so easy to see through those vapid libtard morons. They act like they are analyzing reality, like they're some kind of analytical wonks but we all know the truth. That is they hate Trump. We know that everything Trump does is awesome and brilliant and beyond criticism. He never does things just for the optics, just for the "win." He's playing the long game.

All the analysts criticism is just becasue it's Trump and they hate him because they envy him. THere is no such thing as a legitimate criticism of anything Trump does. Criticism of Trump is the very definition of fake news. Actually it's treason, and if there were justice in this world all those that are critical of Trump would be tortured or worse.
77   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 14, 7:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Does the US not depend on Chinese buying billions in debt? China holds north of $1,170,000,000 of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, China that's who


Does the US not depend on the FED buying billions in debt? The FED holds massive amounts of of US debt. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's the client? Who's got us by the balls, the FED, that's who. China can buy up US income producing assets with their dollars (through proxies if need be). No reason for them to quit exporting their junk to the usa.
78   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 14, 7:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
If you question the intelligence of what he does, you're an SJW faggot. This is exactly as the founding fathers intended.


Is there a difference between questioning the intelligence of what he does in a calm reasonable manner and just flat out saying FUCK TRUMP to get praise and applause? Is it impossible that someone you hate can do something good? Is it normal that fully grown adults result to childish insults as to what he eats and how he combs his hair? Is it unreasonable to question the motives behind why someone who hates Trump to express exactly what it is that generated such hatred? Are their unproven generic reasons enough? (he's a rapist, he's a racist)
79   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jun 14, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

komputodo says
Is it normal that fully grown adults result to childish insults as to what he eats and how he combs his hair?


Actors and musicians are not really "fully grown adults". Mentally most of them closer to children. Hence the childish behavior.
80   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 14, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

komputodo says
Is it normal that fully grown adults result to childish insults


Such as "little rocket man"?

No, it's not normal, but that's who we selected as president!

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