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Democrats can't get a break: SCOTUS eviscerates Public Sector Unions


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2018 Jun 27, 8:46am   10,051 views  74 comments

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https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article213580054.html



California’s pubic employee unions were handed a serious blow in a Supreme Court ruling Wednesday that forbids them from collecting fees from workers who benefit from their representation but do not want to join them.


All that free Democrat money down the drain baby!

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1   Tenpoundbass   2018 Jun 27, 8:47am  

They should be made to retropay back every cent they ever took from non Union members.
2   Shaman   2018 Jun 27, 8:51am  

This could be good for taxpayers. Prison guard unions are great at lobbying for policies that get them overtime. Teachers seem to get way too many “service” days and half days every week! Seriously, they only work eight months of the year already... Also locally, public employee unions have a lot of impact on State government. Federally they are a non issue, but they do spend a lot on influencing elections at a state level.

As an aside, my wife belongs to the teachers union. I’m going to encourage her to continue paying dues. Collective bargaining is great for employees, and will only get better now that the union leaders have to show value for the dues they request.
3   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 9:43am  

Quigley says
Collective bargaining is great for employees, and will only get better now that the union leaders have to show value for the dues they request.



Collective bargaining is not so great for the tax payer since we have no seat at the table to negotiate. We just keep getting more expensive and shittier public service.........while our cities go bankrupt and raise our taxes. Long past time government workers negotiate and compromise with the tax payer and reform these out of control pensions.

This ruling alone will have far reaching consequences long after Trump's time in office.
4   Shaman   2018 Jun 27, 9:58am  

Yah this one is going to make a real mark.
From the NPR article: “A survey by the AFSCME — the union Janus would have to pay into — found that if agency fees were no longer mandatory, 15 percent of employees would stop paying them, while 35 percent would continue to pay. The balance of workers were "on the fence."”

That means dues will be at best reduced, at worst negated by many workers.
Labor leaders for public unions will have to go from mob bosses with absolute impunity to suck-ups trying to appease every member of their organizations. Now they have individual customers who can opt out of their service if unhappy. Or decrease the amount they send in just like an unhappy diner can decrease a waiter’s tip! I’d say this is good on the whole.
My wife might benefit from higher wages and benefits negotiated, but the service from her reps was absolute shit. It’ll get better now!

Still, I wouldn’t expect public employee unions to go away overnight. The difference in compensation packages between union and non union is SO STARK, that it would take a special sort of idiot to not see the benefits of having union representation. Then again, many total idiots do work for the government.
5   Strategist   2018 Jun 27, 10:09am  

Quigley says
As an aside, my wife belongs to the teachers union. I’m going to encourage her to continue paying dues. Collective bargaining is great for employees, and will only get better now that the union leaders have to show value for the dues they request.


They will just increase the dues from paying members. Getting value from a union is worse than getting value from failed socialist governments.
6   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 10:16am  

HEYYOU says
Outlaw police,fire unions!


Of course we should. These 2 unions are bankrupting cities all over the country.

See - Trump judges are bringing the Left/Right together.
7   Ceffer   2018 Jun 27, 10:19am  

Gee, SCOTUS skeleton legislature called extortion and robbery illegal? How un-lawyerlike, they must be truly senile.
8   BoomAndBustCycle   2018 Jun 27, 10:31am  

My wife is a teacher... they have salary schedules based off years of service and education level that determines your salary. Her dues of like maybe $1000 a year come out of her paychecks automatically, but if she stopped paying would she get the 5% pay raise the union just negotiated on the salary schedule this year?

Seems the school district would have to create a non-union salary schedule for employees that aren’t paying union dues... unless they wanted to undermine the union and pay non-union employees $1000 more a year ... watch everyone defect from the union and then after they kill the union give everyone a 10% paycut and hire scabs as babysitters. Then privatize the school system and profit.

Every knows private prisons do a such a great job of rehabilitating prisoners... lets just turn our schools in to private prisons with armed teachers and all will be fixed... right ?
9   BoomAndBustCycle   2018 Jun 27, 10:34am  

Police unions will be fine... when your partner is paying extra union dues because you are freeloading and not paying while getting the benefits... he probably won’t have your back when shit goes down.

Other unions without armed members may be screwed.
10   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 10:40am  

BoomAndBustCycle says
Every knows private prisons do a such a great job of rehabilitating prisoners... lets just turn our schools in to private prisons with armed teachers and all will be fixed... right ?


California schools already suck - despite having some of the highest paid teachers in the country with very generous pensions.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/05/california-schools-earn-c-in-national-ranking/
11   BoomAndBustCycle   2018 Jun 27, 10:46am  

Republicans hate freeloaders.... but isn’t this ruling the literal definition of freeloading? Not paying dues, but getting all the benefits and salary that were negotiated by the union?
12   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 10:49am  

socal2 says
This ruling alone will have far reaching consequences long after Trump's time in office.


It has permanently damaged the Democrat party in any state with public unions.
13   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 10:49am  

BoomAndBustCycle says
Republicans hate freeloaders.... but isn’t this ruling the literal definition of freeloading? Not paying dues, but getting all the benefits and salary that were negotiated by the union?


Don't think any Republicans are saying non-due paying employees should still get to belong to the union.

The unions and democrats made this mess - they can figure out how to untangle it.

There should never have been unions in government at all.
14   BoomAndBustCycle   2018 Jun 27, 10:49am  

socal2 says
California schools already suck


Depends on the area.... bad neighborhoods and ghettos weigh down that score quite a bit. Cost of living requires paying teachers well. $75k in Los Angeles is equivalent to $35k in the mid-west.
15   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 10:50am  

socal2 says
Of course we should. These 2 unions are bankrupting cities all over the country.

See - Trump judges are bringing the Left/Right together.


Exactly. All these $400,000 a year fire chief pensions don't pay themselves.
16   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 10:52am  

BoomAndBustCycle says
Every knows private prisons do a such a great job of rehabilitating prisoners... lets just turn our schools in to private prisons with armed teachers and all will be fixed... right ?


60% of LAUSD students can't even read competently at their grade level. What is really happening is that piss poor public education is sending out incompetent people into the world who have zero chance of ever becoming productive in society, and eventually become Democrat voters.
17   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 10:55am  

Goran_K says
60% of LAUSD students can't even read competently at their grade level. What is really happening is that piss poor public education is sending out incompetent people into the world who have zero chance of ever becoming productive in society, and eventually become Democrat voters.


To be fair, that is more the fault of California Democrat politicians who welcome non-English speaking immigrants (both legal and illegal) with our stupid Sanctuary State laws to overwhelm our education systems.
18   zzyzzx   2018 Jun 27, 11:11am  

Obligatory:
19   RWSGFY   2018 Jun 27, 11:14am  

socal2 says
Goran_K says
60% of LAUSD students can't even read competently at their grade level. What is really happening is that piss poor public education is sending out incompetent people into the world who have zero chance of ever becoming productive in society, and eventually become Democrat voters.


To be fair, that is more the fault of California Democrat politicians who welcome non-English speaking immigrants (both legal and illegal) with our stupid Sanctuary State laws to overwhelm our education systems.


Guess which party teachers unions endorse 100% of the time.
20   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 11:25am  

Hassan_Rouhani says
Guess which party teachers unions endorse 100% of the time.


No secret at all!

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=P04
21   Ceffer   2018 Jun 27, 11:31am  

It's always a tragedy when a liberal has to actually earn money.
22   RWSGFY   2018 Jun 27, 11:35am  

socal2 says
Hassan_Rouhani says
Guess which party teachers unions endorse 100% of the time.


No secret at all!

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=P04


Thanks for ruining the surprise!
23   Strategist   2018 Jun 27, 12:04pm  

Goran_K says
60% of LAUSD students can't even read competently at their grade level.


When you can't fire bad teachers, you end up with lots of bad teachers, which leads to bad scores.
What a fucked up system.
24   lostand confused   2018 Jun 27, 12:21pm  

In Il they have made it constitutional that any promis emade to public sector unions can never ever be changed. I eman -wtf????????///
25   Strategist   2018 Jun 27, 12:23pm  

Feux Follets says
Strategist says
What a fucked up system.


Let's throw more money at the problem....


That's exactly what they will do. And as usual it won't work, because paying bad teachers more, still leaves you with the same bad teachers.
Time to flush the system.

26   socal2   2018 Jun 27, 12:32pm  

Feux Follets says
We have a great and proud tradition in this country of making promises and breaking them,


How about the promise they made to tax payers to not let their cities turn into shit holes with high crime, shitty schools, crappy infrastructure AND high taxes because they are spending so much of our public money on corrupt union benefits packages?

Right now when a city goes bankrupt (most likely due to pensions), everyone but the government workers get promises broken. Citizens see their taxes increased and services decreased resulting in more crime and decreased property values and Bond holders get pennies on the dollar.

Shouldn't everyone have some skin in the game when the money runs out?
27   Bd6r   2018 Jun 27, 12:36pm  

Strategist says
When you can't fire bad teachers, you end up with lots of bad teachers, which leads to bad scores.

Perhaps there is an even bigger problem of kids who do not want to learn, as their parents do not care and have never learned themselves. Teachers can do very little if they do not have support of parents. It is somewhat unfair to blame only teachers. What leverage do they have to make someone learn and do homework?

Allow corporal punishment for those who fail and learning will skyrocket!

Edit: I also do not think that the biggest problem is teachers' unions. Probably police and firefighters unions are much worse (esp in my neck of woods), especially since police unions tend to shield its members form criminal responsibility for their actions.
28   Shaman   2018 Jun 27, 12:44pm  

Feux Follets says
and eventually become Democrat voters.


When you’re sub-competent as an individual, it’s desirable to hitch your wagon to a group that can both give you benefits and confer a “victim” status on you rather than the status you more richly deserve: LOSER.

When poor dumb white people losers do that, they get interested in white supremacy, because “at least I ain’t black!”

It’s the same thing in both cases, whether they’re championing the KKK or La Raza or the NAACP. It’s different forms of ducking the same LOSER label they actually deserve.
29   Shaman   2018 Jun 27, 12:46pm  

drB6 says
Allow corporal punishment for those who fail and learning will skyrocket!


The beatings at lunchtime will continue until grades improve!
30   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 1:42pm  

Quigley says
When you’re sub-competent as an individual, it’s desirable to hitch your wagon to a group that can both give you benefits and confer a “victim” status on you rather than the status you more richly deserve: LOSER.

When poor dumb white people losers do that, they get interested in white supremacy, because “at least I ain’t black!”

It’s the same thing in both cases, whether they’re championing the KKK or La Raza or the NAACP. It’s different forms of ducking the same LOSER label they actually deserve.


True, but Democrats are the only ones that use victim based intersectionality to win the loser crowd vote and get into office.
31   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 1:43pm  

Feux Follets says
Curious though on those last four words...anything to base that on other than conjecture ?


Any decrepit inner city in the United States.
32   FortWayne   2018 Jun 27, 2:08pm  

About time
33   Ceffer   2018 Jun 27, 2:13pm  

Goran_K says
60% of LAUSD students can't even read competently at their grade level.


That's OK because in LA, being able to order hooker boots over the internet from Zappos with a stolen credit card qualifies you for a high school diploma.
34   FortWayne   2018 Jun 27, 2:20pm  

LA and SF are examples of liberal priorities...

education sucks
housing sucks
water shortages
families are struggling
high taxes

but gays can merry each other, homeless everywhere, hiring for skin color and not ability to do the job, and unions with double pensions!!! ultimate equality, everyone down to the bottom, while government lives it up. why isn't everyone happy? Oh yeah and waiters are going to be fined $1000 if they give you a straw you didnt ask for, fucking criminals!!!!.
35   Ceffer   2018 Jun 27, 2:32pm  

FortWayne says
LA and SF are examples of liberal priorities...

education sucks
housing sucks
water shortages
families are struggling
high taxes

but gays can merry each other, homeless everywhere, hiring for skin color and not ability to do the job, and unions with double pensions!!! ultimate equality, everyone down to the bottom, while government lives it up. why isn't everyone happy? Oh yeah and waiters are going to be fined $1000 if they give you a straw you didnt ask for, fucking criminals!!!!.


If you have problems with the Great Socialist Paradise, then go live in Venezuela. You'll see that California has a long of way to go before it has completely fucked the pooch with liberal politics.

God Bless California, the carcass will keep kicking for the parasites for the foreseeable future! If it ain't completely dead, the libs can keep suckling off of it!
36   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 2:57pm  

Public Union debt is going to bankrupt Illinois, and it will eventually catch California.

Better to kill off the cancer before it spreads.
37   justme   2018 Jun 27, 3:24pm  

Goran_K says
Public Union debt is going to bankrupt Illinois, and it will eventually catch California.

Better to kill off the cancer before it spreads.


Says the guy that moved to Nevada.
38   SunnyvaleCA   2018 Jun 27, 5:42pm  

BoomAndBustCycle says
salary schedules based off years of service and education level that determines your salary


There's the problem in a nutshell. Non-union workplaces have salary schedules based on productivity. (Well, that's the theory anyway.)
39   Ceffer   2018 Jun 27, 6:25pm  

I wonder if I can go way back to my mandatory Teamster's union and it's paycheck tax, from working in the cannery, and recover all the money with interest. Where are those class action hyenas when you need them?
40   Goran_K   2018 Jun 27, 6:45pm  

Feux Follets says
Goran_K says
it will eventually catch California


California is already bankrupt but slight of hand with the books keeps the game going.


If California is truly sunk, the Democrats rowed the boat into that calamity.

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