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Trump Lie Tracker

By CBOEtrader following x   2018 Jun 29, 4:06pm 3,960 views   81 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Washpo, in their unbiased wisdom, has chosen to gift us with this live Trump Lie Tracker. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.0a11c2edd385 Over 3200 lies during his presidency to date? Whoa. Lets examine...

I am genuinely interested if we can examine Trump's actual quoted words and come to agreement on which are lies, and which are misinterpretations.

Please find his lies (3200 to choose from) and tell us how horrible he is -OR- find his words misinterpreted by WashPo, and tell us why they are fake news.

Discuss, but no flaming you wimps.

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2   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 4:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“Unemployment has reached its lowest level in nearly two decades...And the same thing for Hispanic unemployment -- lowest level in history. Women -- lowest level of unemployment in 19 years.”

FACT CHECK:
Unemployment has been steadily declining since its peak in 2010. Moreover, Trump now uses data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics unemployment rate to say this, which is a flip-flop from his previous claims dismissing the BLS unemployment rate as "nonsense."

HAHA these idiots have this as a lie he told 65 times. They must be reading the transcripts of every speech and counting each repeated statement. That itself is weak, but FUCK man they are accusing Trump of lying because he once criticized the unemployment rate calculation methods? Every one of these "lies" reads like this.
3   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 4:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
I'm not gonna bother.


Thats the point. Those who see the fake news dismiss it. Those who believe fake news hear the 3200 lies!!! number and never take the time to check.

I'd like someone to point to his lies for me, because I dont see them. I am enjoying reading this site though. TDS is flowing strong through washpo
4   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 29, 4:17pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is a flip-flop for Trump. Before he was elected, he dismissed the stock-market performance under Obama as “artificial” and “a bubble."

Lack of nuance here. During Obama, the Fed was constantly cutting rates to pump the stock market, so it was artificial. The rapid stock market rise under Trump as a reaction to economic growth after Trump's tax cuts. The economy grew enough that the Fed actually raised rates.
5   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 29, 4:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'd like someone to point to his lies for me, because I dont see them. I am enjoying reading this site though. TDS is flowing strong through washpo


Did you know there hasn't been one story on Amazon Warehouse conditions in the WaPo? Not just US, but foreign papers have covered this, both here and abroad.

Kind of odd, eh? But we're told the editors are sooooo independent of Bezos and Amazon.
6   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Jun 29, 4:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NPR's program today every 5 minutes they inject the Shooting story. They preface everything with "Well we don't want to blame Trump"....
"But his rhetoric about roughing up journalists set the tone for this!" ... "But let's be perfectly clear we don't blame Trump"

I don't even think the Liberals realized they are all dead politically speaking.
7   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 29, 4:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WaPo Lie Tracker. Another one:

Pentagon: White House did not request plan to withdraw Germany troops

The Pentagon said on Friday that the White House had not requested any plans for pulling U.S. troops from Germany following a media report that it is analyzing the possibility.


The Washington Post reported that the military is assessing the cost of a large-scale withdrawal or transfer of forces stationed there after President Trump expressed interest.

The report comes amid rising trade tensions between Trump and German Chancellor Angela Merkel and an upcoming trip to Europe by the president where he intends to press NATO allies on their military spending.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/pentagon-white-house-did-not-request-plan-to-withdraw-germany-troops
8   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 4:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Lack of nuance
Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance. This is how all the fake news operates, both sides Fox and CNN do this daily.
9   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 5:27pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump

Washpo spin: "It has been reported that an FBI informant in Europe, a professor named Stefan Halper, met with at least three people working on the Trump campaign in Europe. So far, there has been nothing to indicate whether there was a political agenda or a “spy” mandate as part of Halper's assistance for the FBI, which started after the agency opened a counterintelligence probe. There is no evidence he was paid a "fortune." Trump appears to be referring to payments made for an unrelated project for the Defense Department, which started before Trump announced his campaign for presidency. "

This is total idiocy. Amazing, unfiltered stupidity. First off, there is evidence of plants into Trump campaign. Regardless, the Washpo is calling Trump a liar because "so far, there has been nothing to indicate..." So Washpo somehow thinks that because they dont have inside info on confidential informants (why would they) that Trump is lying? yeah this is similar to Trumps "They wiretapped Trump Towers" lie, which was ofc proven to be true.

Still waiting for someone to show me these big lies that Trump tells. I mean, he tells 4 a day according to Washpo. Should be easy.
10   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 5:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
( i can provide you a list with 2K+)


Please show us one example. I created an entire thread with your list. All so far fake news.
11   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 5:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAY 30 2018
Trump: "There is no one better to represent the people of N.Y. and Staten Island (a place I know very well) than @RepDanDonovan, who is strong on Borders & Crime, loves our Military & our Vets, voted for Tax Cuts and is helping me to Make America Great Again. Dan has my full endorsement!”

WAshpo calls this a lie. Meanwhile http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/jun/04/donald-trump/did-rep-dan-donovan-vote-tax-cuts-trump-said/ politifact calls Washpo a liar. The left eating the left.
12   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jun 29, 7:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
find his words misinterpreted by WashPo,


"misinterpreted", that's a great descripton.

WaPooPoo claims 3200 lies, and the brain dead Liberals think it's 3200 DIFFERENT lies. What the Libbies don't realize how disengenuous and dishonest WaPooPoo is, as they count one "lie" multiple times. There's one quick "lie" (as they claimed) in the list recounted 97 times.

So, in reality, there might be maybe 50 or so individual, separate statements they claim is a "lie" (not 3200). It's their new Liberal way of counting the same one over and over that's questionable.

I wonder who taught them math?
13   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 29, 11:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
There's one quick "lie" (as they claimed) in the list recounted 97 times.

So, in reality, there might be maybe 50


Yeah I saw that too.

Then when you go through the "lies", they are always weak af. I am perfectly welcome to be shown the real lies. We can read his words and decipher together.

So far... nothing good.

Trump did innaccurately refer to his tax cut as the largest ever. It is merely a massive tax cut rather than largest in history. #Impeach
14   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 12:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

We really need to bring back taring and feathering.

The boobs at the Washington Post are first.
15   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 30, 7:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
This is total idiocy. Amazing, unfiltered stupidity.

Not by any stretch of imagination. It is deliberate lying and twisting of facts, which is much, much worse. Media is manipulative, lying, and driven by ideology, and not pursuit of truth and objective reporting.
16   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 30, 9:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?”


So out of 3200 examples of Trump lies, this is where you plant your flag that the Trump lies they report aren't lies ?

This means that at a minimum, you believe that a lot of MSM journalists were somehow aware (even though none of them are reporting it !!) of spies in Trump's campaign, and yet they consciously (at a minimum "working overtime" implies this) choose to not report it or be interested in it.

You've given evidence of why Trump supporters tolerate Trump's lies. It's becasue they are all lying to themselves in no small way.

You're really going to deny that Trump constantly lies ? Sure some of them are trivial, some of them are his own misunderstanding of reality. Who knows what percentage of his lies he believes.

The scariest thing about Trump is this. IF we can accept Trump as our leader in times that aren't even that bad, it proves that the kind of evil tyrant we could accept in bad times is far beyond our imagination.
17   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 30, 9:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Speaking of Trump lies and Trump's campaign. This is still a very informative little video on so many levels.




Stay classy Trump !
18   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
You're really going to deny that Trump constantly lies ?


Trump uses words like biggest, best, greatest, world most. Etc... at times when something is merely very good. If you call this type of exaggerated wordchoice lying, then yes he does this all the time. Those of us who attempt to understand him in an honest way know exactly what hes doing (the dude has always been a douche). More importantly, we can see that the MSM is willfully lying for manipulation. MSM disregards all nuance and takes any grey zone misunderstanding (which happens in every human interaction) using it as a tool to spin his words in RACIST/SEXIST/etc... it's pure fake news.

Please note that Marcus still has not shared a single lie that trump told. Share you biggest trump whopper and let's examine it.
19   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 9:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Speaking of Trump lies and Trump's campaign. This is still a very informative little video on so many levels.




Stay classy Trump !


This is your example of a Trump lie? Wow.
20   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
journalists were somehow aware (even though none of them are reporting it !!) of spies in Trump's campaign


You completely miss the point here. Start over.

Fact 1) Trump claimed plants in his campaign.
Fact 2) Washpo calls this a lie with (as you admit) no evidence.

Conclusion: washpo is lying. You can not call someone a liar based on your own lack of knowledge. If you told me the answer to some math equation that I couldn't figure out or perhaps didn't see the original question, can I call you a liar if your answer seems unlikely? No. Absolutely not.

So. Marcus, show us examples of your biggest Trump whoppers. The forum awaits.
22   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 30, 9:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I guess Trump changed his mind. In that video he says he doesn't know who David Duke is. And yet:


In 2000, Trump issued a statement that he was no longer considering a run for President with the backing of the Reform Party, partly because it “now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke.”


I guess somewhere along the line he decided what would be necessary for him to win a national election. And perhaps Obama was a factor as well.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-and-the-ku-klux-klan-a-history

CBOEtrader says
This is your example of a Trump lie?


Yes, he's lying "I don't know who David Duke is ?" "White supremacy ? I don't even know what that's about, I would have to look in to it."

This is no dog whistle folks.
23   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 9:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Yes, he's lying "I don't know who David Duke is ?" White supremacy ? I don't even know what that's about, I would have to look in to it


Washpo standards would call you a liar here. You mistook trumps actual statement "I dont know anything about David duke." Or any variation thereof and you suggest Trump is saying hes never heard of David Duke. That's not what he said.

Trump has every right to tell a fake news tapper he doesnt know enough about the situation to comment.

Also, try finding a clip where any journalist ever tried to ask Hillary to tell her deploreable supporters (such as all of antifa) to not vote for her. Never happened, never would, nor should it.

This was an attempted hitpiece journalism propaganda that Trump saw coming (David Duke was an election cycle star for the MSM fake news). Trump stuffed it, and refused to play their game. Good for him.

Is that you got Marcus? Show us trumps lies
24   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 10:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Maybe you need to go back to 5th grade ?


We keep things cordial here. I understand it's difficult not to go ad hominem here when you are losing a discussion this badly, but please refrain.





CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump

Washpo spin: "It has been reported that an FBI informant in Europe, a professor named Stefan Halper, met with at least three people working on the Trump campaign in Europe. So far, there has been nothing to indicate whether there was a political agenda or a “spy” mandate as part of Halper's assistance for the FBI, which started after the agency opened a counterintelligence probe. There is no evidence he was paid a "fortune." Trump appears to be referring to payments made for an unrelated project for the Defense Department, which started before Trump announced his campaign for
marcus says
What they called a lie is a statement that the MSM is working overtime no to report something.


No, this is what YOU are calling a lie. Washpo in their explanation suggested they labelled this a lie because there is no evidence of these things happening, which is not true. Washpo doesnt mention media reporting at all. Read their statement.
25   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 30, 10:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
No, this is what YOU are calling a lie.


I only read your quote. I see that it's more of a lie than I thought.

Not only was the MSM not making a conscious effort to not report something. There apparently wasn't something (or next to nothing) to report. Okay. You win.

CBOEtrader says
Washpo doesnt mention media reporting at all


THey don't need to mention it, becasue it's so obvious. THat was the 5th grade comment - I wasn't actually trying to insult, I was trying to get you to look at the statement. What's the subject, what's the direct object ? The truth or falsehood of TRump's statement is independent of whether there was evidence or not.

Yes, in the right column the author chooses to talk about the little or nonexistent evidence of a spy. But still, I do believe a halfway decently educated 5th grader could tell you that that's irrelevant as to the truth or falsehood of that statement.

CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump
27   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 10:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
THey don't need to mention it, becasue it's so obvious.


Seeing what you want or expect to see is the definition of confirmation bias.

I posted both the "lie" and explanation. If you only read the first paragraph thats on you.

marcus says
I was trying to get you to look at the statement. What's the subject, what's the direct object ?
This is what happens when you combine confirmation bias w the leftist cultural superiority complex. Trump's statement is a valid observation. It is not clear to any unbiased reader why washpo would call this a lie. However, you are so sure that everyone sees the exact same thing as you, that you both ignore the existing context AND expect me to understand your meaning through a 5th grade reference (which was supposed to point me to the subject and direct object?). This ignorant statement is a function of your bigoted leftist perspective.

You didnt read the context, said something completely unrelated, and now you are trying to backtrack... stop digging that hole man.

OTOH if you'd like to offer your perspective of Trump's statement as your big LIE, please do it more coherently and I'd be happy to discuss.
28   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 30, 10:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Seeing what you want or expect to see is the definition of confirmation bias.


SO now the structure of a sentence and what it's saying is confirmation bias ?

CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
This is what happens when you combine confirmation bias w the leftist cultural superiority complex. Trump's statement is a valid observation. It is not clear to any unbiased reader why washpo would call this a lie.


There is sometimes absolute truth. If the MSM was not consciously and intentionally not reporting spies in Trumps campaign, then it's a lie. If there is zero or close to zero evidence of spies in his campaign that MSM reporters should be aware of then it's more of a lie.

Yes FACTS are real. Our language does have some simple rules that even children understand.
29   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jun 30, 10:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump


CBOEtrader says
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?” -Trump
30   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
In case you missed it.

This is just 2017.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-biggest-whoppers-2017-n830746


Let me get this straight w you. In an era of massive growth in online audiences, coming directly at the cost of television audiences, and while Trump is at the center of the world's attention (albeit largely negative attention), Trump said his inauguration had (he thinks) the largest online audience ever. Fakenews reponse: Lets ignore the stats completely in the 60+ million total audience estimates used by Trump to suggest (he thinks) his audience was biggest ever...instead spend 99% of television time talking about Obama's 500k larger in-person crowd (representing less than 1% of Trump's estimate), and the comparative neilson ratings... lets also ignore the reasoning and logic behind what Trump estimated, AND finally lets call Trumps estimate A LIE, AND lets pretend that crowd size is somehow an important enough topic to #IMPEACH.

Flawless plan guys. I cant believe those ignorant Trump supporters dont agree with this logic

Haha, if this is the worst on Trump, then he is indeed the best president of our times and the MSM is indeed the enemy of the people.
31   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 30, 2:49pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I know this article is fake news, because any Trump lie detector would have overheated and failed the first week of his campaign.
32   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Jun 30, 3:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Where's comments 3,4 ,8,9,10,11,12,13,14?
33   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 30, 3:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Trump is the one who was bizarrely obsessed about the crowd sizes at his inauguration
Ah ok so we found a valid criticism. Trump is self obsessed. This isn't a lie.

marcus says
(and repeatedly lying about that)


But he didn't lie about it. Go find the lie and show us. His audience could have legitimately been the largest ever. Trump said he thought it was and mentioned the online audiences which can't be tracked as well as many others they dis have stats on. So, please go find us exactly where you think he lied and let's analyze.marcus says
Okay, so you chose what is arguably the smallest of NBCs list big lies from 2017


I chose #1 on that list. How about you go find a lie you think is a whopper, and coherently explain why it's a lie. Try not to use confirmation bias or willful misinterpretations of Trumps words.

We'll be waiting.
34   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jun 30, 7:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I'm the one that agrees with all the educated literate types that believe Trump lies all the time.


Short memory??

Obama, His Greatest Lies.

1. I will have the most transparent administration.
2. I have Shovel-Ready jobs.
3. The IRS is not targeting anyone.
4. There is not a smidgen of corruption involving the IRS targeting.
5. If four Americans get killed, it is not optimal.
6. So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can, it’s just that it will bankrupt them.
7. Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.
8. Obamacare will be good for America.
9. You can keep your family doctor.
10. You’re going to be able to purchase high-quality health insurance for less than the cost of your cellphone bill.
11. Healthcare insurance premiums will be lowered by $2500.
12. You can keep your current healthcare plan.
13. Just shop around, for that healthcare I claimed you wouldn't lose.
14. I am sorry you lost your healthcare, (you know the health care you have to shop around for, the same healthcare I said you could keep, yup, that's the one).
15. I did not say you could keep your healthcare. (Regardless that 29 recorded videos show I did).
16. Obamacare will not be offered to illegal immigrants.
17. Obamacare will not be used to fund abortions.
18. Obamacare will cost less than 1 Trillion Dollars.
19. No one making under $250,000 will see their taxes raised one dime.
20. It is Bushes fault. (This can be inserted in between every statement).
21. It was about a movie.
22. I will fundamentally transform America. (This one sadly is very true.)
23. If I had a son.
24. I am not a dictator.
25. I will put an end to the type of politics that “breeds division, conflict and cynicism".
26. You didn't build that.
27. I will restore trust in Government.
28. The Cambridge police acted stupidly.
29. I am not after your guns.
30. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. The BHO of (2006).
31. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics.
32. "If I don't have this done in three years, this is going to be a one-term proposition."
33. I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.
34. I think when you spread the wealth around; it's good for everybody.
35. The Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk.
36. It's not my red line it is the worlds red line.
37. Whistle blowers will be protected.
38. We got back Every Dime we used to Rescue the Banks, with interest.
39. I am good at killing people.
40. I will close Gitmo. (But, instead, built them a $750,000 soccer field.)
41. The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't, but she is a typical white person.
42. I am not spying on American citizens.
43. By, on, on, by, Friday uh afternoon things get a little uh, uh challenged uh, uh (when his TelePrompTer broke and he was left to think for himself).
44. I am a Christian.
45. If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.
46. Under my plan electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. It will force America to conserve power.
47. John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith.
48. It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy.
49. UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems. (Attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare.)
50. The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.
51. You didn’t build that.
52. Obama says burning building in Baltimore riots looped on television over and over and over again.
53. No nuke deal unless inspectors have 24/7 access to Iran’s entire nuclear facilities.
54. I’m not a king, I can’t just ignore immigration laws.
55. We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care.
56. The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
57. If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it. No matter what.
58. If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Your Doctor. Period.
59. Obamacare will cost less than your monthly cell phone bill.
60. Obamacare will save your family $2,500 a year in premiums.
61. I'm gonna slash those VA wait times & backlogs.
62. I vow to start working with congress.
63. No one in the White House was aware of this until we saw it on the news.
64. The border is secure.
65. I will not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons.
66. Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”.
67. Benghazi violence was caused by an Internet video & demonstrations.
68. Sequestration will cost a million jobs (CBO claims one (1) job was lost).
69. I didn’t set a red line.
70. I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
71. The War on Terror is over.
72. The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.
73. We don’t have a domestic spying program.
74. We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system.
75. We only changed one word in the Benghazi talking points.
76. The IRS scandal was just 2 rogue agents in Cincinnati.
77. My budget will cut the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years.
78. I will walk on that picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain.
79. I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever.
80. Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.
81. Obama Care Fee is not a new tax.
82. We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
83. The Health Care Package will pay for itself.
84. Islam is the religion of peace.
85. Christians need to get off their high horse.
86. This was not a terrorist attack, It was workplace violence.
87. Before we jump to conclusions, we must complete a full investigation and gather the facts after an Islamic terrorist attack.
88. After every officer shooting of a black person before any facts are gathered, racism is alive and well.
89. ISIS is the JV team.

And, the biggest lie of all:
"I, Barack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America."
35   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 6:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I gave you a lis


Ahh so you refuse to pick a single lie out, or even present and defend a single fact supporting one of the "lies", OR respond to a single point I made regarding the few we have discussed.

Thanks for the links from the "experts" calling Trump a liar. You are displaying the dishonesty of today's left, which speaks volumes about you and your affiliations.

Exactly as the forum expected.
36   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 7:01am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Short memory??


Yeah multiply each if those by 500 the way washpo did in their Trump list.

This Trump=liar meme has no credibility. This is proof propaganda works
37   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 7:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Go find the lie and show us.


Still waiting for @Marcus or anyone else to stick their neck out and show us Trump's big lie. Should be easy if there are thousands of them.
38   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 9:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The PolitiFact scorecard on Drumpf statements, claims etc. up to 29 June 2018

True 27 (5%)

Mostly True 68 (12%)

Half True 87 (15%)

Mostly False 125 (22%)

False 183 (32%)

Pants on Fire 84 (15%)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
39   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 1, 10:10am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


Politifact??

The one owned by the Left wing, radical, Lefty, newspaper, The Tampa Bay Times?

Sure, that's a credible source (NOT).
40   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 11:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Sure, that's a credible source (NOT).


Yeah that's exactly why I want someone to stand behind a single lie. The gauntlet has been thrown and noone will accept the challenge.

Still waiting.
41   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 11:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
You want to imply that the lies I gave you


Which claim would you like to defend? I discussed the #1 claim in that list w specific reasons I see it as willful mischaracterization.

You have not offered a single shred of feedback other than "Trump lies. You bad."

Still waiting.
42   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 11:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
right wing


Very few right wingers here. Mostly libertarians.

You are displaying your leftist indoctrinated brainwashing. "Everyone who doesnt think like us is a nazi? Sounds reasonable."
43   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 11:59am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

@Marcus that's the 3rd time you've gone to ad hom instead of discuss the topic.

I am sorry you can't argue facts. Apparently neither can anyone who thinks Trump is a liar. Just paste hitpieces and walk off... lol so weak.

Step up, get behind a single lie, and let's discuss.
44   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 1, 12:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
You want to imply that the lies I gave you, ones people identified as his biggest lies don't stand up to scrutiny,


A list of lies from KNOWN left wing, radical, liberal websites don't stand up to scrutiny. Everyone of the links you posted above are known for their regular Hit Pieces on Trump and lean heavily to the radical left.

Maybe pick a neutral site, that might have some credibility with others here, otherwise it's just more TDS.
45   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 1, 12:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I did a google search (or perhaps it was bing) of Patrick.net, and two highlighted member lists of posts were those of Rin and Sniper.


I just did a search, here is my results:



marcus says
This site has gone to hell.


Except, the search results are tied to your past search and browsing history, It's all saved, and served back up based on history...

What does that say about your surfing past?
46   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 1, 12:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
This Trump=liar meme has no credibility. This is proof propaganda works


No truer words have ever been spoken. They're not called "sheep" for no reason.
47   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 12:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Where's comments 3,4 ,8,9,10,11,12,13,14?


Want to take a guess ?
48   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 12:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Maybe pick a neutral site, that might have some credibility with others here, otherwise it's just more TDS.


Suggest one - or it's more Trump Delusional Syndrome other than just screaming fake news, TDS, etc..
49   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
They're not called "sheep" for no reason.


Been hanging around in a barn with Potus ?
50   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
@Marcus that's the 3rd time you've gone to ad hom instead of discuss the topic.


Bothered to re-read some of the other comments on this thread before accusing someone else ?
51   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Exactly as the forum expected.


That someone from the Drumpf camp will scream TDS, Fake News, Hit Piece, Liberal etc. and mount a group attack like a pack of starved hyenas ?

Was totally expected from my perspective. Pretty much par for the course.
52   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Try it on bing


Gonna have to explain what that is so as not to get Drumpf supporters confused with "Tang" or similar....just sayin. Hell they might be running to the pantry on that one.
53   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 1, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's the default MS explorer or Edge browser.
54   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
The one owned by the Left wing, radical, Lefty, newspaper, The Tampa Bay Times?


Back up the allegations with something substantial....other than offering a personal assesment
55   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Where are comments 3,4 ,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 ? Inquiring minds would like to know
56   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Very few right wingers here. Mostly libertarians.


OFMG - now that's a whopper
57   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Everyone of the links you posted above are known for their regular Hit Pieces on Trump and lean heavily to the radical left.


Any examples of those regular "hit pieces" ?

What is the "radical left" ? Any examples ?
58   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 1:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Apparently neither can anyone who thinks Trump is a liar


This is a fun game isn't it ?

Someone is challenged to go and provide some back up to a challenge and when presented with something, the challenger and select company scream fake news, TDS, Hit Piece, Liberal Propaganda and on and on and on.

Simple games for simple minds and their is no shortage of simple minds amongst the Drumpf supporters on the forum.
59   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 1, 2:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
YOu can call the Washington post or the NYT liberal rags that write hit pieces on Trump, becasue they focus on his lies.


Nah, they just write hit pieces because they're a liberal rag that hates Trump. Why not call it like it is?

marcus says
Try it on bing


People actually use Bing? How cute!
60   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
CBOEtrader says

Exactly as the forum expected.


That someone from the Drumpf camp


You, nor Marcus nor anyone else who says trump is a liar have so far chosen a single example to get behind.

I picked apart #1 from Marcus's list, with no response.

Why can none of you stick your neck out to show us Trump is a liar?
61   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 1, 2:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Sniper says
The one owned by the Left wing, radical, Lefty, newspaper, The Tampa Bay Times?


Back up the allegations with something substantial....other than offering a personal assesment


Like this?



Damn, those Pesky facts again....

Kakistocracy says
Any examples of those regular "hit pieces" ?


Go to each of those links, why must I spell this out for the Liberals?


Kakistocracy says
What is the "radical left" ? Any examples ?



Kakistocracy says
This is a fun game isn't it ?


Certainly is, the panic in the Democrat land is very amusing, after all the smack downs they've received the past week or so. MAJOR TDS on display...

Best entertainment ever!!
62   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 2:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Leftists, please fill in the blank:

Trump lied when he said "FILL YOUR ANSWER IN HERE".

Please then present any evidence to support above.

A TDS infested hit piece is not an argument.
63   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 2:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
This is a fun game isn't it ?

Someone is challenged


No. It's sad that the people who scream Trump is a liar, can't get behind one lie. Not one single lie? Use your words and post one quote you feel is a huge Trump lie our of 3200 in the list I gave you?

The forum is waiting.
64   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Nah, they just write hit pieces because they're a liberal rag that hates Trump. Why not call it like it is?


Why not - provide some proof of the allegations
65   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
The forum is waiting.


Lets reboot - refute beyond a shawdow of a doubt the False 183 (32%) and Pants on Fire 84 (15%) statements/lies from Poltifact source or is that too much to ask.

This was conveniently brushed aside - why is that ?

The forum also awaits or are we in for another round of Fake News, TDS, etc. with help from starving hyenas (my apologies to the real hyenas)
66   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rightists, please fill in the blank:

Trump didn't lie when he said "FILL YOUR ANSWER IN HERE".

Please then present any evidence to support above.

Additionally please provide proof beyond any possible reasonable doubt said documents from Politifact etc. are TDS infested hit pieces. Details gentlemen (I use that term extremely loosely) Details...facts...not heresay or twitter pictures.
67   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
No. It's sad that the people who scream Trump is a liar, can't get behind one lie. Not one single lie? Use your words and post one quote you feel is a huge Trump lie our of 3200 in the list I gave you? (this is actually a statement and does not require a question mark)

The forum is waiting.


See - this is a fun game. Someone gets to say something, someone else has a "gotcha" moment and then shouts down the answer with TDS, Fake News, Hit Piece without once offering anything substantial to back it up.

This game has been around a long long time on the forum...
68   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Go to each of those links, why must I spell this out for the Liberals?


Sounds like personal bias based on heresay and nothing more than baseless allegations unless further proof is offered.

Lovely picture, anything other than that to back up the gibberish ?

Filling in for Two Scoops nowadays ?
69   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is this going to be another round of the hyenas answering for each other ?
70   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 1, 3:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Like this?



Damn, those Pesky facts again....


Not seeing anything unusual - care to fully expand on how this example of "facts" provides irrefutable evidence to back up the allegations ?
71   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 4:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
See - this is a fun game.


If you have a valid lie, please quote Trump and explain why you think it's a lie.

It's an open invitation for dialogue not yet accepted once.
72   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 1, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Lets reboot - refute beyond a shawdow of a doubt the False 183 (32%) and Pants on Fire 84 (15%) statements/lies from Poltifact source or is that too much to ask.


Not how it works. Those making the assertion - that somebody is guilty of lying - are responsible for providing evidence.
73   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 1, 5:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Not how it works. Those making the assertion - that somebody is guilty of lying - are responsible for providing evidence.


There is plenty of evidence given with each pants on fire level lie. And aslo with some of the links I posted that were deleted. The funny thing is, that even among republicans that aren't totally dishonest dirtbags, Trump's lying, that is the fact that he lies constantly, in a totally different way than any other politician in modern times, about things both important and unimportant, is not a debatable topic.

I'm guessing that even TPB would agree that Trump is bullshitting constantly, constantly lying. That's why he likes him (correct me if I'm wrong).

You like it. Okay. His lying that is. CBOE wants to say it really isn't lying. OR he wants want to insist I talk about one specific lie. I've already seen two failed attempts to discredit two of his t very unimportant lies (that were totally 100% lies). If I thought he was capable of arguing about Trump in good faith, maybe I'd play.

I posted a page full of links to what various journalists risked their careers defining what they believed were Trumps biggest lies of 2017. I get it, maybe you think truth or verifiable facts are just ivory tower bullshit that those liberals in academia believe in. But in my world and fortunately the world of most halfway honest people, you don't get to totally lie about what's a lie, just becasue you're the New York Times. Or at least not without ruining your reputation with reality based folks.
74   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
(that were totally 100% lies).


Trump estimating his inauguration had the largest audience in history is legit. Plenty of facts support the likelihood of this being true. https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/donald-trump-inauguration-twitters-live-stream-viewing-1201968128/ https://www.akamai.com/us/en/about/news/press/2017-press/inauguration-sets-record-for-live-video-streaming-of-news-event-on-akamai.jsp

The actual number is unknown, but the enormous increase in digital streaming could easily have Trump's inauguration as largest ever. Therefore: no rational person could suggest Trump lied by suggesting he thinks his total audience was largest ever.

I'm still waiting for you to offer a shred of evidence or engage in any fact whatsoever. You have so far neither offered nor countered, just thrown ad homs and generic hitpiece links.

marcus says
There is plenty of evidence given with each pants on fire level lie.


Great. Then you should have no problem choosing one and discussing it.
75   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 1, 6:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Then you should have no problem choosing one and discussing it.


If something is widely accepted as fact, and you can easily spend 5 minutes evaluating that yourself, there's nothing to discuss. Twitter had a bigger news feed for the 2017 inauguration live streaming than the 2009 one ? Say it isn't so. Next thing you'll be telling me is that the typical person has a way better phone and data plans in 2017 than 2009.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-inauguration-crowd.html

Even if the one photo is a little early or something. The other from the other perspective is quite clear. Trumps wasn't the biggest. But he didn't say it was the biggest becasue he thought it was the biggest. I believe Trump knows the crowds were smaller than Obama's, and the reason he lied about it, is that his (Trumps) inauguration was surprisingly big. He was interested in making sure the media was talking about how big it was, and if it took some lying to accomplish his goal, then so be it. That's just how he rolls.

CBOEtrader says
Trump estimating his inauguration had the largest audience in history is legit


The disagreement was about the crowd size, not the audience. Maybe it morphed in to that but thats not what Spicer and Kelly Ann and Trump himself were called on lying about right after the inauguration.

But if you're going to play that game, of changing the lie to something else, can we talk about after OBama apologized for saying you can keep your doctor and clarified the reality of it, later that is ?

You win. You got me to argue about a lie neither of us give a flying fuck about.
76   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 7:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Even if the one photo is a little early or something. The other from the other perspective is quite clear. Trumps wasn't the biggest.


You are talking about .5% of the total estimate. No-one claimed the in person audience was the largest.marcus says
Twitter had a bigger news feed for the 2017 inauguration live streaming than the 2009 one ?


Ah ok, now we're getting somewhere. The increase in live streaming from many, many sources could have easily have resulted in a larger audience. I think the total estimate was around 60 - 70 million.

Also Trump added, "I think", noone ever said they know for certain.

To call this a lie is simplemided. It shows a willingness to believe misinterpretations. To believe these hit pieces is intellectually lazy.

Show me your evidence and prove me wrong.
77   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 7:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
The disagreement was about the crowd size, not the audience.


Nope. Trump pointed out the crowd size was being purposely used as flawed model for total audience size. His message about biggest ever was very clearly about total worldwide audience.

I dont blame you for missing this nuance. This point specifically was lied about over and over again by the #fakenews. Thats why you have to go back to Trumps exact words or the video evidence. Otherwise its all tyrannical spin.
78   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 7:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.wsj.com/video/sean-spicer-on-crowd-size-for-trump-inaugural/7475F8F1-F24C-446A-9DDA-A34AA45199F5.html

Spicer very clearly goes over the online stats when responding to the "total audience" question. Spicer "I didnt say in-person. I said BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE." He answered the question with no uncertain terms that day.
79   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 9:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
A Libertarian


A libertarian believes in individual freedom over group identity. The left is currently calling free speech proponents "extremists". Almost impossible for any libertarian to lean left in this environment.
80   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 1, 11:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Spicer very clearly goes over the online stats when responding to the "total audience" question. Spicer "I didnt say in-person. I said BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE." He answered the question with no uncertain terms that day.


Wtf ?

What do you think both in person and around the globe means ?

That means he had the biggest audience in person, and that he also had the biggest audience around the globe (whatever that means).
81   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 1, 11:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
Spicer very clearly goes over the online stats when responding to the "total audience" question. Spicer "I didnt say in-person. I said BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE." He answered the question with no uncertain terms that day.


Wtf ?

What do you think both in person and around the globe means ?

That means he had the biggest audience in person, and that he also had the biggest audience around the globe (whatever that means).


It means combined. He clarified w no uncertain terms. Watch the clip. Anyone suggesting he meant only in person audience is lying or misinformed (by design).

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