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Calling it Now: Best-President-to-Date

By steverbeaver following x   2018 Jul 1, 12:01am 1,379 views   99 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


It has truly been an unexpected surprise to watch the Trump admin perform thus far. In totality, I am fairly confident to call it now: we are witnessing a very rare event of effective and beneficial leadership, one that we may not witness again in our lifetime. That is all I wanted to post. Good luck to each of you in making the best of these good times.

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60   PrivilegedtobeWhite   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 8, 9:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
The market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.
61   MrMagic   ignore (9)   2018 Jul 8, 9:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
The market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.


Exactly.

Amazing what happens to the market when you juice it with over $4 TRILLION of printed money, then what happens to it when the printing press is shut off.

Since Bob likes doubling of the market under Obama, he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?

Those pesky facts.
62   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 8, 11:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MrMagic says
he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?


...especially since that debt doubling happened 'by magic' as the Libs contend that Obama didn't have budget deficits compared to Trump!
63   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 9, 12:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.


Yes. In the US, that is as Congress decides, not the President (except to sign whatever legislation Congress puts on his desk to do said withdrawal)

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
The executive branch has exclusive authority over foreign relations


Except those involving trade. Under the Constitution’s Commerce Clause, only Congress may alter our tariff, tax and customs laws. Congressional-Executive Agreements are DOMESTIC legislation.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Presidents from William McKinley to Franklin Roosevelt to Jimmy Carter terminated international agreements without explicit congressional authorization — including some that dealt with trade.

Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.

Again, Trump can order federal agencies to defy the domestic legislation set under NAFTA. But it just takes one impacted party with standing to get injunctive relief in court to tear that down.

Carter go away with abrogating treaties because the courts didn't recognize those who challenged it to have standing, not because they ruled in his favor. The cases never got that far.

You're not going to 'win' this one no matter how badly you wish reality was different. You can chalk it up to a middling detail, yes. But it is an important one. :)
64   Aphroman   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 9, 5:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

steverbeaver says
Tell me... are you still forced to buy health insurance or pay a "fine"?


Trump repeatedly said on the campaign trail that he would “repeal and replace Obamacare”. Just like all the rest of the Republicans for years. If all he was ever going to do was remove the small fine that nobody was paying before, and leave Obamacare intact otherwise, why didn’t he campaign on that idea?

For all intents and purposes, Obamacare remains unchanged
65   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 9, 8:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump can’t repeal a Congressionally passed law. The Constitution says only Congress may do that. So there’s that.
68   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 9, 8:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

skridlov says
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy R,. FDR

Slave owners and racists.
69   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 9, 8:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TrumpingTits says
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.


Nope. The President has foreign policy power, and only the Senate (not the House) can approve foreign agreements as a check on the near absolute power of the Presidency in this area.

SCOTUS has already stood aside while similar agreements were nixed by Presidents, including McKinley and Carter. SCOTUS has historically been extremely shy of restricting the Foreign Policy powers of the President.

So the Congress may have passed enabling legislation for NAFTA, but the President can abrogate participation in it.

The Constitution is strangely specific by explicitly mentioning treaties have to be approved by the Senate, but says nothing of their abrogation. Historically, Presidents have unilaterally done so, and such actions took effect immediately, even if the Senate huffed and puffed before "approving" it (not that their approval is needed).
70   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 9, 8:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TrumpingTits says
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.


If one President makes an agreement with Congress , another President may nix. Just like every other Executive Agreement.

If Somehow Obama made the Iran Deal some kind of Congressional-Executive agreement, Trump could have withdrawn from it.

Almost every expert, even Globalists from the Roosevelt Institute, agree that Trump can pull out of NAFTA. Neither the Senate, and certainly not the House, has the authority to impose an international agreement without the President.


This could be the SCOTUS issue of Trump's Presidency, but I'm very confident that SCOTUS will not take away the President's historically interpreted as near-total foreign policy powers. By historically, I mean since the birth of the Republic.
71   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 1:08am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.
72   Aphroman   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 10, 6:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

ThreeBays says
It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.


What about Obamacare? Seem like they are really liking Obamacare now that Chump failed to repeal and replace. They’ve been programmed to respond “yea but he did away with the mandate, problem solved.” Oh really? So everything else is good with Obamacare, just not the mandate?

How many people paid the fine each year for not having insurance?

How many people have canceled their health insurance now that Obamacare doesn’t compel them to purchase?

Being that the answer is ~0, nothing has changed. It’s obvious that Chumpublicans aren’t intelligent enough to realize this, however they seem smart enough not to even attempt to discuss it. Lol
73   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 6:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?


You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.
74   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 6:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
How many people paid the fine each year for not having insurance


About 4.5% of taxpayers, which is quite a lot

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-maps.html
75   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 6:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

ThreeBays says
It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.

The new talking point is "we can never pay it back", forgetting that in some way it WILL be paid back (inflation). Or that most of it is owed to entities in US of A. Also, giving money to defense contractors is OK, but paying anyone else is a crime.
76   Aphroman   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 10, 7:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
Aphroman says
How many people paid the fine each year for not having insurance


About 4.5% of taxpayers, which is quite a lot

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-maps.html


The average penalty was $462 lol

That’s less than the increase in gas prices that afe crushing low income Americans, under Trump
77   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 7:32am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices that afe crushing low income Americans, under Trump


And somehow the President controls worldwide gas prices? Interesting how your mind works.
78   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 7:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices

High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live. Also, as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.
79   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 7:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I have a friend who was "taxed" ~$1400 for not buying the sham that is Obamacare.
80   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 10, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Locking Her up?

Hard to do after half the country voted for her. History will reveal the Clintons' and Bushes' crimes.
81   Aphroman   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 10, 8:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices that afe crushing low income Americans, under Trump


And somehow the President controls worldwide gas prices? Interesting how your mind works.


Are you saying that the President has no effect on gas prices?
82   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 10, 9:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Bob, knock it off with the "are you a native english speaker" crap.

Your personal insults and racism are not the topic here.
83   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 9:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live.


It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.

Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.
84   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 9:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.

Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.

Good for TX - low taxes and many jobs created.
85   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 10:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says

Are you saying that the President has no effect on gas prices?


Remember $5 gas? I do. It was under Obama’s reign of terror. $3.50 seems like a bargain still to me!
86   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 4:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
Remember $5 gas? I do. It was under Obama’s reign of terror. $3.50 seems like a bargain still to me!



https://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2017/01/06/obama-economy-10-charts-final/9.html
87   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 4:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.


Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.

It was a tax which we were obligated to pay to certain favored companies.
88   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 8:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.


Since the people who didn’t have insurance were the ones who had to buy it, they often couldn’t afford to budget 12% of their income for that one thing. And so, effectively it became a tax on the uninsured.
That’s how it affected my parents anyway, before they went on Medicare.
89   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 8:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It's all about trapping people and forcing them to pay.

You can make a great product, but that takes work. If you're well connected, it's much easier to just use the government to take the money.
90   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 13, 8:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump just doesn't give a shit.

CNN wimper "But we are real news too ......"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dO1f9EZ-0uw
91   Aphroman   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 13, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
It's all about trapping people and forcing them to pay.

You can make a great product, but that takes work. If you're well connected, it's much easier to just use the government to take the money.


The problem is, you’re already trapped and forced to pay, with or without the mandate.

What happens if you get sick or injured?
92   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 13, 10:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
Hard to do after half the country voted for her. History will reveal the Clintons' and Bushes' crimes.


Any President not named Trump should be indicted by the Russians so why did you forget Obama.
93   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 13, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Quigley says
Since the people who didn’t have insurance were the ones who had to buy it, they often couldn’t afford to budget 12% of their income for that one thing. And so, effectively it became a tax on the uninsured.
That’s how it affected my parents anyway, before they went on Medicare.


You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free) , which means that uninsured normally ended up in Emergency costing the Govt
94   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 13, 11:27am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free) , which means that uninsured normally ended up in Emergency costing the Govt



But the uninsured didn't have $1000 / month for a $5000 deductible shitty ass plan, either.
96   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 14, 1:08pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Eye Exam for NeverTrumpers and Libtards:
98   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 18, 10:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says

You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free)


It’s only free if you’re an illegal immigrant. Otherwise they come after you with the bill. This is known. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue.
99   HEYYOU   ignore (17)   2018 Jul 18, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Best President-Treasonous,Traitorous Trump.
He shall be addressed as,President TTT in the future.

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