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Can’t stand Hillary AND Trump?

By dr6B following x   2018 Jul 5, 10:07am 238 views   15 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Alasdair MacIntyre, an Emeritus Professor of Philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, says that voters should reject both candidates.

When offered a choice between two politically intolerable alternatives, it is important to choose neither. And when that choice is presented in rival arguments and debates that exclude from public consideration any other set of possibilities, it becomes a duty to withdraw from those arguments and debates, so as to resist the imposition of this false choice by those who have arrogated to themselves the power of framing the alternatives.
The way to vote against the system is not to vote.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/cant-stand-hillary-or-trump-heres-what-you-must-do
http://commonknowledge.dukejournals.org/content/15/3/340.full.pdf

I find this quite compelling. If we vote for the lesser of evils, same evils will show up in every election.
1   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 5, 10:54am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump is a no filter asshole, but he’s not evil.

The Democrats called the Vice President “uncle Joe” for saying the same stuff.
2   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 5, 11:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Trump is a no filter asshole, but he’s not evil.


Probably true - but I am still not sure what he wants. He does not do simple things that could stop illegal immigration such as introducing mandatory E-verify, seems that banksters get last restrictions lifted (Dodd-Frank watered down) etc.

Bigger problem though is that in last few elections there was no reasonable candidate. Obama/McCain? Obama/Romney? Trump/Hillary?

Edit: and I do think that Trump was the lesser of two evils.
3   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 5, 11:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
He does not do simple things that could stop illegal immigration

Who has ever stopped illegal immigration?
4   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 5, 11:41am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
Bigger problem though is that in last few elections there was no reasonable candidate. Obama/McCain? Obama/Romney? Trump/Hillary?


Makes it difficult when there are only 2 candidates to pick from and both are already bought and paid for.
5   Aphroman   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 5, 11:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
CovfefeButDeadly says
Trump is a no filter asshole, but he’s not evil.


Probably true - but I am still not sure what he wants. He does not do simple things that could stop illegal immigration such as introducing mandatory E-verify, seems that banksters get last restrictions lifted (Dodd-Frank watered down) etc.

Bigger problem though is that in last few elections there was no reasonable candidate. Obama/McCain? Obama/Romney? Trump/Hillary?

Edit: and I do think that Trump was the lesser of two evils.


Trump is very different than the rest of the Republicans. Just look at his approach to taxes, regulations and Supreme Court choices.
6   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 5, 11:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

komputodo says
Who has ever stopped illegal immigration?

OK, decreased illegal immigration - point taken as private enterprise will always beat state efforts.
7   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 5, 11:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Just look at his approach to taxes

He is spending country into bankruptcy, which somehow perfectly aligns with both parties efforts.

If people say that "debt can not be repaid" - this perhaps is true, but sadly we (middle class) will be the ones who will suffer, and not banksters/politicians.
8   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 5, 12:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump was the most outside candidate we could realistically hope to get out of our rigged primary system.

I strongly disagree with the idea that refusing to vote will be in any way effective. This makes the ruling coalition smaller, which leads to more corruption and control from the top and less free elections. This is a universal truth: the smaller the ruling coalition, the worse the government. We need more people to vote, not fewer. If everyone who refused to vote in the last election had instead showed up and voted for a third party, we might have had President Jill Stein instead. Elections have consequences, but ONLY if people participate.
9   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 5, 12:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
If everyone who refused to vote in the last election had instead showed up and voted for a third party, we might have had President Jill Stein instead.


You're saying it like it's a good thing.
10   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 5, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It would be a different thing. Not sure if it would be good or not. The point was that a different candidate would have been elected if all the couch potatoes made that choice. Only 45% of the voting age population usually votes in the general election. That leaves a clear majority of voters who sit on the sidelines and bitch. Idiots.
11   HEYYOU   ignore (17)   2018 Jul 5, 3:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
and not banksters/politicians.


I would like to thank the stupid Rep & Dem voters.
12   HowdyThere   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 5, 6:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
He is spending country into bankruptcy, which somehow perfectly aligns with both parties efforts.


Democrats and Republicans hold hands and sing together in perfect harmony "spend, spend, spend, spend, spend...." As a fiscal conservative, pretty much every government on the face of the planet is a disappointment.
13   MrMagic   ignore (9)   2018 Jul 5, 9:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Trump is very different than the rest of the Republicans.


That's because he's not a Republican.
14   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 6, 3:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HowdyThere says
pretty much every government on the face of the planet is a disappointment.


https://tradingeconomics.com/estonia/government-debt-to-gdp

World record fiscal conservatives. And have required 2% in budget for defense as well.
15   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 6, 5:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

komputodo says
only 2 candidates


In Presidential elections, there are always more than 2 candidates. Vote for an independent candidate.

By not voting, you leave open the possibility that people are too lazy to vote, so better candidates should not bother to campaign. By showing up and voting, you prove that you care enough to vote.

By voting independently, you prove that your vote is available for a candidate to earn, rather than owned/pwned by a major party.




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