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Less Government and Cheap Labor

By jazz_music following x   2018 Jul 7, 11:42am 286 views   25 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


All the social and fiscal conservative positions exist to ultimately force labor over a barrel so that people will have no choice but work for cheaper wages, so if you are not where you wanted to be financially in life stop blaming those that have less than you and unite to demand better regulation of banks and the other corporations.

Those who crave passive gains, money for nothing, will tell you this will be the end of the world, they will call it any name to evoke fear, anxiety and doubt, but it is only the beginning of people waking up to use the power the founders gave them to check the murderous powers of greed.

We have not yet lost ownership of our government.

“Less Government” is the central defining right-wing slogan. And yes, it’s all about “cheap labor”.

Included within the slogan “less government” is the whole conservative set of assumptions about the nature of the “free market” and government’s role in that market.. In fact, the whole “public sector/private sector” distinction is an invention of the cheap-labor conservatives. They say that the “private sector” exists outside and independently of the “public sector”. The public sector, according to cheap-labor ideology, can only “interfere” with the “private sector”, and that such “interference” is “inefficient” and “unprincipled”

Using this ideology, the cheap-labor ideologue paints himself as a defender of freedom against “big government tyranny”. In fact, the whole idea that the private sector is independent of the public sector is totally bogus. In fact, “the market” is created by public laws, public institutions and public infrastructure.

But the cheap-labor conservative isn’t really interested in freedom. What the he wants is the privatized tyranny of industrial serfdom, the main characteristic of which is – you guessed it – “cheap labor”.

For proof, you need only look at exactly what constitutes “big government tyranny” and what doesn’t. It turns out that cheap-labor conservatives are BIG supporters of the most oppressive and heavy handed actions the government takes.

Cheap-labor conservatives are consistent supporters of the generous use of capital punishment. They say that “government can’t do anything right” – except apparently, kill people. Indeed, they exhibit classic conservative unconcern for the very possibility that the government might make a mistake and execute the wrong man.

Cheap-labor conservatives complain about the “Warren Court” “handcuffing the police” and giving “rights to criminals”. It never occurs to them, that our criminal justice system is set up to protect innocent citizens from abuses or just plain mistakes by government officials – you know, the one’s who can’t do anything right.

Cheap-labor conservatives support the “get tough” and “lock ‘em up” approach to virtually every social problem in the spectrum. In fact, it’s the only approach they support. As for the 2,000,000 people we have in jail today – a higher percentage of our population than any other nation on earth – they say our justice system is “too lenient”.

Cheap-labor conservative – you know, the ones who believe in “freedom” – say our crime problem is because – get this – we’re too “permissive”. How exactly do you set up a “free” society that isn’t “permissive”?

Cheap-labor conservatives want all the military force we can stand to pay for and never saw a weapons system they didn’t like.

Cheap-labor conservatives support every right-wing authoritarian hoodlum in the third world.

Cheap-labor conservatives support foreign assassinations, covert intervention in foreign countries, and every other “black bag” operation the CIA can dream up, even against constitutional governments, elected by the people of those countries.

Cheap-labor conservatives support “domestic surveillance” against “subversives” – where “subversive” means “everybody but them”.

Cheap-labor believers in “freedom” think it’s the government’s business if you smoke a joint or sleep with somebody of your own gender.

Cheap-labor conservatives support our new concentration camp down at Guantanamo Bay. They also support these “secret tribunals” with “secret evidence” and virtually no judicial review of the trials and sentences. Then they say that liberals are “Stalinists”.
And let’s not forget this perennial item on the agenda. Cheap-labor conservatives want to “protect our national symbol” from “desecration”. They also support legislation to make the Pledge of Allegiance required by law. Of course, it is they who desecrate the flag every time they wave it to support their cheap-labor agenda. [Ouch! That was one of those “hits” you can hear up in the “nosebleed” seats.]

Sounds to me like the cheap-labor conservatives have a peculiar definition of “freedom”. I mean, just what do these guys consider to be “tyranny”.

That’s easy. Take a look.

“Social spending” otherwise known as “redistribution”. While they don’t mind tax dollars being used for killing people, using their taxes to feed people is “stealing”.
Minimum wage laws.

Every piece of legislation ever proposed to improve working conditions, including the eight hour day, OSHA regulations, and even Child Labor laws.

Labor unions, who “extort” employers by collectively bargaining.

Environmental regulations and the EPA.

Federal support and federal standards for public education.

Civil rights legislation. There are still cheap-labor conservatives today, who were staunch defenders of “Jim Crow” – including conspicuously Buckley’s “National Review”.

Apparently, federal laws ending segregation were “tyranny”, but segregation itself was not.

Public broadcasting – which is virtually the only source for classical music, opera, traditional theatre, traditional American music, oh yes, and Buckley’s “Firing Line”. This from the people constantly braying about the decay of “the culture”. The average cost of Public Television for each American is a whopping one dollar a year. “Its tyranny I tell you.

Enough’s enough!”

See the pattern? Cheap-labor conservatives support every coercive and oppressive function of government, but call it “tyranny” if government does something for you – using their money, for Chrissake. Even here, cheap-labor conservatives are complete hypocrites. Consider the following expenditures:

150 billion dollars a year for corporate subsidies.

300 billion dollars a year for interest payments on the national debt – payments that are a direct transfer to wealthy bond holders, and buy us absolutely nothing.

Who knows how many billions will be paid to American companies to rebuild Iraq – which didn’t need rebuilding three months ago.

That’s all in addition to the Defense budget – large chunks of which go to corporate defense contractors.
Is the pattern becoming clearer? These cheap-labor Republicans have no problem at all opening the public purse for corporate interests. It’s “social spending” on people who actually need assistance that they just “can’t tolerate”.

And now you know why. Destitute people work cheaper, while a harsh police state keeps them suitably terrorized.


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1   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 7, 11:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Have you walked away from the cheap-labor donkeys already, JM?
2   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 7, 11:47am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Illegal immigrants are a great weapon in the war against the working class.

Democrats directly attack the poorest US citizens by forcing them to compete against illegals for the hardest and worst paid jobs.
3   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 7, 12:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

If only hyper-partisanship could solve a 40 year war against the working class, it would be equal to local activism which is the root of solutions.
4   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 7, 12:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I don't mean to support division, only to point out that the democrats are actually the larger harm to working citizens by their irrational support for illegals.
5   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (31)   2018 Jul 7, 12:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Banning unions as terrorist organizations and repealing the 13th Amendment (and expanding the definition of 'negro' to include any life form that a JOB! CREATOR! may want to liberate from its life of worthless indolence) would fix all this.

BUT!

NO!

LIBBY! CUNTS! hold onto their 18th century ideas about FREE!dom! that chain AMERICA! to the ideals of insane marxist jihadis!

Only SUPREME! PLENIPOTENTIARY! TRUMPLIGULA! stands alone for FREEDOM! at all costs!
6   someone else   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 7, 1:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sadly, Trump is actually the best guy we have to point out the daily hypocrisy of Democrats, who say that they are on the side of the downtrodden while treading with glee on the poor.

Republicans are at least a bit more honest.
7   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (31)   2018 Jul 7, 1:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Democrats: Here's a Food Stamp. If you're still hungry, suck my dick.

Republicas: Hungry? DIE! DIE! DIE!, FILTHY CUNT, FUCKING DIE!
8   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 7, 3:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says

All the social and fiscal conservative positions exist to ultimately force labor over a barrel so that people will have no choice but work for cheaper wages
I'm glad we agree building a wall is a traditionally democratic point.jazz_music says
they will call it any name to evoke fear, anxiety and doubt

Lol you still haven't told us what you are talking about. Is this a riddle?
9   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 7, 3:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Wages will go up if you stop replacing Americans with cheap overseas labor.

What Democrats do? Replace Americans
10   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 4:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says

Lol you still haven't told us what you are talking about. Is this a riddle?


Communism. And a violent revolution before that.
11   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 4:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says


If Welfare Queens need food stamps to get by, they should get a kick in their fat rear ends.
12   Reality   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 7, 6:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Only private sector employers can create real net jobs. Government spending and welfare spending just destroy more jobs through taxation and inflation than they create. Minimum wage laws destroy beginner jobs, which obviously are not meant to support a whole family as young people usually start working while still supported by their families: that's how young people gain basic working skills/habits before becoming productive enough to earn sufficiently to have their own households.

The immigration problem is at its core a welfare problem too: if not for welfare benefits, only those producing more than they consume would want to come to the US, who would then contribute positively to our economy and our society, instead of being leaches voting for bigger government.

The sad reality is that, after generations of government-school brainwashing creating the god-like omnipotent/zero-cost mental image of government, those on the Left think welfare costs nothing, while those on the Right think enforcement costs nothing. When in reality, both have extremely high cost to the economy and to the society.

As Hayek explained in The Road To Serfdom, negative results from government regulations bring forth more government regulations to "correct" the problems created by previous regulations, then of course result in even more distortions that "need correcting," eventually leading to serfdom. The way to freedom and liberty is via dismantling existing regulations, such as the tax-and-welfare system, so people can carry on division of labor and mutually willing exchanges without the dead-loss cost of regulators/enforcers.

No, government is not a pre-requisite for markets: there are after all markets dealing in illegal goods (like drugs) and illegal service (like prostitution), both of which obviously exist without government enforcement of contracts. Heck, there are even kids' lemonade stands existing in the legally gray zone.
13   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 6:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

That's a load of bull. If leftoids cultural Marxists wouldn't tell girls that their dream life is to be an office drone and would stand for strong borders everything would be peachy. A crafty/frugal full time mom (or dad) is easily worth much more net than the average office drone or gender study salary.
14   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 6:49pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        


Then the solution would be to end food stamps, and while we are at it, rent subsidies. Both of these devices only serve to inflate food and rent costs which make them less affordable to lower wage workers not on subsidy.
15   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 6:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HeadSet says

Then the solution would be to end food stamps, and while we are at it, rent subsidies. Both of these devices only serve to inflate food and rent costs which make them less affordable to lower wage workers not on subsidy.


Correct. Also build and keep family units. They used to operate easily 80% cheaper than 2 separate adults before women abandoned their natural skills for materialism, cheap office jobs and divorce rape.
16   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 7, 7:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tried to read OP, can’t make it through without falling asleep.
17   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 8:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Tried to read OP, can’t make it through without falling asleep.


ROFL. I read a few boring lines and started drifting. It's just the usual nonsense that makes no sense at all.
18   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 7, 8:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Reality says
Only private sector employers can create real net jobs.

Communists don't know what real jobs are, because they don't understand what incentives and productivity is.

HeadSet says
Then the solution would be to end food stamps, and while we are at it, rent subsidies. Both of these devices only serve to inflate food and rent costs which make them less affordable to lower wage workers not on subsidy.

You expect communists to understand that? Good luck.

Communists think there is a never ending supply of other people's money. $50.00 per hour is a reasonable minimum wage policy, because living wages are a good thing.
The irony is, commies cannot give a single example where communism resulted in a better standard of living for the working class, compared to what capitalist America has been able to.
It's bizarre how the commie mind works in the face of indisputable facts. It's more a psychiatric problem than anything else.
19   Reality   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 8, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
The irony is, commies cannot give a single example where communism resulted in a better standard of living for the working class, compared to what capitalist America has been able to.
It's bizarre how the commie mind works in the face of indisputable facts. It's more a psychiatric problem than anything else.


That's what social promotion through educational merit template (as opposed to market competition) does. The brain in that setting is trained to regurgitate whatever the authority (teachers and books) tells it. That's why cultures that especially respect education tend to produce a very high percentage of communists embracing what in their minds would theoretically work but can't possibly work if one cares to look at market reality or in the habit of putting oneself in another person's shoes (what a market participant has to do every day in order to survive and thrive).

In this cycle of human civilization, the original location of mushrooming free commerce was the North Sea basin, specifically England and Netherlands. By the time French universities (the biggest and most prestigious in the world at the time) switched their course material from theology to the new findings in commerce, they produced the first crop of socialist revolutionaries in the modern world. By the time German universities churned out students copying the economically more advanced England, Netherlands and France, they produced Karl Marx himself. By the time Russian universities churned out students copying England, Netherlands, France and Germany, they produced "Raskolnikovs," Lenin and Stalin.

The market habits make people respect other individuals and discover new knowledge from market reality. The top-down education track on the other hand is by its nature authoritarian and "idealistic"/'theoretical" in the worst possible way. What's more, most educational institutions tend to have fads and churn out students thinking the same way, reducing the market value of each.
20   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 8, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
stop blaming those that have less than you and unite to demand better regulation of banks and the other corporations.

Those who crave passive gains, money for nothing, will tell you this will be the end of the world

For 40 years deregulation, privatization, elimination of unions, offshoring, subsidies to donor class corporations have defeated wage earners.

Also the US evolved permanent war, a militarized vertically integrated police and surveillance state, prison industry with a vocal demand for more prisoners and longer sentences.

All of this is done with the complicity of conservatives in government who's private wealth grew by leaps and bounds during the course of their office, mostly unquestioned.



If ending these multiple travesties is the end of the world for you, then you are not in the real world.
21   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 8, 11:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
For 40 years deregulation, privatization, elimination of unions, offshoring, subsidies to donor class corporations have defeated wage earners.

May be wage earners have been defeated because politicians (who are in payroll of big corporations) are bailing out the rich. GM several times, banks, welfare for big agro, if a poor guy is down on his luck, give him $100. But give billions to banks, automakers, trillions to military contractors.
22   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 8, 11:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Reality says
Only private sector employers can create real net jobs.

It happens because people have money to spend other than food, shelter and transportation to work.

It happens in other countries now instead of in the US because our government was used against us, and most of the country languishes as corporations amass wealth extracted from the economy to survive a coming economic doomsday they all know they are creating.

The main part of our country was allowed to be gutted to create shareholder value. Shareholders are the worst because none of them seems to care who dies as long as their equity goes higher, since almost no one has a defined benefit pension any more they feel they must invest, but things don't always go so well, and they think the unemployed get too much. And they never question the hundreds of billions of our tax money goes to corporations.

Obviously there needs to be better regulation of what can be done to create shareholder value.

America used to be a lot better before Nixon's damned drug war. There was better regulation of banks and the other corporations too. That's when America was great.

There's the example you say doesn't exist.


Discussion of communism here is so off-topic.
23   Reality   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 8, 11:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
Reality says
Only private sector employers can create real net jobs.

It happens because people have money to spend other than food, shelter and transportation to work.


No. Even for food, most people buy food because it costs less effort to buy food (using what money they can earn doing what they are good at) than growing food in their own yard, that's why farming jobs exist. Likewise, people buy food at stores instead of traveling to distant farms because the stores deliver a service that costs the buyer less than if they do it themselves, that's why the stores exist. Real jobs exist not because people want to blow money for nothing, but because the goods/service cost the buyers less than if they had to do it themselves. Government subsidies and welfare do the opposite, therefore have to be paid by not only robbing the people but also paying the enforcers on top of the inefficient forced transfers themselves.

Defined benefit pension was a scam to begin with: as a way of paying the workers upfront less. The promise could never be kept as every corporation eventually dies.

When you let government officials regulate more, of course those with more money would buy off the regulators and politicians. Fundamentally, to an investor, investing in political corruption is just another way of seeking return on capital. When was the last time when you spent all your time growing tons of food in your yard and gave it all to your neighbors for free? When was the last time when you cleaned up your home and invited dozens of random homeless people to live with you for free? Why should you expect anyone else to do that? Why would any politician / regulator do that? They too are human beings, and have their own individual self-interest.
24   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (31)   2018 Jul 8, 11:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
For 40 years deregulation, privatization, elimination of unions, offshoring, subsidies to donor class corporations have defeated wage earners.


Why do you hate INNOVATION! ?
25   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 8, 2:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I'm willing to bet 90% of the Commies are losers, the other 10% are on meds.




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