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1   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 15, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No this is a President who fights with everybody ( but Putin). The art of dealing is to increase the Pie. You and I can trade with our core competency product and that is beneficial to everyone. Trade is not a zero sum game.
4   someone else   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 7:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
The art of dealing is to increase the Pie.


The pie is doing fine. The problem is that a few people are getting more and more of it. The art of the deal is to get a fair deal, and Trump is actually helping with that.

5   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says
The pie is doing fine. The problem is that a few people are getting more and more of it. The art of the deal is to get a fair deal, and Trump is actually helping with that.


Ah , so giving tax break to the rich is helping the poor. Trump Logic
6   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 16, 7:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
rando says
The pie is doing fine. The problem is that a few people are getting more and more of it. The art of the deal is to get a fair deal, and Trump is actually helping with that.


Ah , so giving tax break to the rich is helping the poor. Trump Logic


The tax break also went to the middle class. I know because I’m one of those and my reduction in federal income tax paid under the newly implemented tax cuts is substantial.

And as I’ve stated MANY times in the past, the poor can’t get income tax breaks as they don’t pay federal income tax. In fact, families of four making under $40k are actually PAID by the Federal government via the EIC.

You are welcome to respond as long as it’s not a non sequitar. In the meantime you should probably stop mouthing off with the lie that Trumps tax cut is for the wealthy.
7   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 7:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Ah , so giving tax break to the rich is helping the poor. Trump Logic


Good comprehension! Trump's policies started in the mid 70s.
8   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 7:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
You are welcome to respond as long as it’s not a non sequitar. In the meantime you should probably stop mouthing off with the lie that Trumps tax cut is for the wealthy.


No, that's a fact.

https://qz.com/1066112/trump-tax-reform-most-of-donald-trumps-proposed-tax-cuts-would-go-to-wealthy-households/

While some non-rich do get a small break from the Trump tax cuts, the VAST majority is going to the wealthy.

You should really do some research before making such false statements.
9   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 7:57am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
While some non-rich do get a small break from the Trump tax cuts, the VAST majority is going to the wealthy.

You should really do some research before making such false statements.


Why is this Liberal B.S. STILL being pushed. Talk about false statements:



LeonDurham says
No, that's a fact.


Sorry, but it's NOT.
10   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 8:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Why is this Liberal B.S. STILL being pushed. Talk about false statements:


Nope it's 100% factual.

While many non-rich are getting small breaks in their taxes, the vast majority of the savings is going to the wealthy. That is a factual statement.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/03/trump-gop-tax-plan-cuts-2017/
11   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 8:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
While many non-rich are getting small breaks in their taxes,


CovfefeButDeadly says
And as I’ve stated MANY times in the past, the poor can’t get income tax breaks as they don’t pay federal income tax.


Interesting on how the people who pay little tax get little tax breaks. Why does that happen?

LeonDurham says
the vast majority of the savings is going to the wealthy.


I wonder who pays the LARGEST tax bills in the country? Hmmmm...


The ones who pay the most dollars get the most dollars in savings... What a novel concept..

If we just could give better tax breaks to the 45% of people who pay ZERO in federal taxes now, every thing will be fixed, right?

12   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 8:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
While many non-rich are getting small breaks in their taxes, the vast majority of the savings is going to the wealthy. That is a factual statement.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/03/trump-gop-tax-plan-cuts-2017/


So, you're using a Commentary/Opinion piece written by the director of inequality.org (owned by IPS)(As Washington’s first progressive multi-issue think tank, the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) has served as a policy and research resource for visionary social justice movements for over four decades) as the FACTUAL basis of your argument?

Really?
13   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 16, 9:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
MrMagic says
Why is this Liberal B.S. STILL being pushed. Talk about false statements:


Nope it's 100% factual.

While many non-rich are getting small breaks in their taxes, the vast majority of the savings is going to the wealthy. That is a factual statement.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/03/trump-gop-tax-plan-cuts-2017/


It’s absolutely a lie due to what the statement ignores and omits. Mr Magic’s verifiable facts delineate why.

“Trumps tax breaks are for the rich” is a monstrous propaganda lie due to its omission of tax breaks for the middle class(that are proportionally large) and its ignorance of the fact that poor and lower middle class families don’t pay federal income tax.

This makes you someone who spreads false propaganda. But that surprises exactly no one.
14   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 9:11am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
While many non-rich are getting small breaks in their taxes, the vast majority of the savings is going to the wealthy. That is a factual statement.


Trying to figure out how this Liberal Logic and Liberal Math works? I believe it goes something like this:

Two guys walk into a electronics store having a 10% off sale.

Guy number one, (the Liberal), buys $100 of products and saves $10 on his order.

Guy number two, buys $1,000 of products and saves $100 on his order.

Guy number one, (the Liberal), starts screaming, "No Fair, that other guy got $100, while I only got $10". "See, this store favors the RICH guy, it's so unfair". "I should get $100 too".

That sums it up....
15   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 9:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
t’s absolutely a lie due to what the statement ignores and omits. Mr Magic’s verifiable facts delineate why.


No, Mr. Magic has posted no relevant facts. That's why I don't bother responding to him.

The fact is that Trump's tax breaks are greatly skewed to the rich. They benefit proportionally more than the other taxpayers.

The only false propaganda is being spread by you. Well, you and Magic.
16   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 16, 9:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
CovfefeButDeadly says
t’s absolutely a lie due to what the statement ignores and omits. Mr Magic’s verifiable facts delineate why.


No, Mr. Magic has posted no relevant facts. That's why I don't bother responding to him.

The fact is that Trump's tax breaks are greatly skewed to the rich. They benefit proportionally more than the other taxpayers.

The only false propaganda is being spread by you. Well, you and Magic.


How is it they benefit rich taxpayers? IE what is the basis upon which the rich receive a greater benefit?
17   HEYYOU   ignore (20)   2018 Jul 16, 10:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mueller's not finished.

Just saw Trump & Putin.Trump is still talking about how he won/beat Clinton & "There was no collusion."
Trump is scared to death of Mueller's evidence?
Trump doesn't have to collude to investigate Russia's collusion with others,collusion can lead to criminal acts.So once again President Coward is saying things he can't back up. Normal Rep/Con shit talking.
Trump kept the queen waiting 15 minutes,Putin kept Trump waiting 1 hour. Funny stuff!
Of course Trump will wait for his boss,who's military attacked America's election.
"None Dare call it Treason"

CovfefeButDeadly says
“Trumps tax breaks are for the rich” is a monstrous propaganda lie due to its omission of tax breaks for the middle class(that are proportionally large) and its ignorance of the fact that poor and lower middle class families don’t pay federal income tax.

A tax increase on one is a tax increase.
Trump raised taxes on ~ 7,000,000.
I'm wrong again!
His tariffs/taxes raised prices for everyone. There goes a lot of income tax breaks.
Redistribution Socialist will get one's money one way or the other.
Does he have the balls to raise tariffs on China another $500,000,000,000?
Americans will pay for it.

.....

Brainwashed,Liberals & Conservatives are what made America what it is,a political fubar.
Everyone applaud your side,your ignorance is awesome.
18   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 10:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
How is it they benefit rich taxpayers? IE what is the basis upon which the rich receive a greater benefit?


Here is some reading material for you:

https://itep.org/finalgop-trumpbill/





19   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That second chart is a factual lie. The tax cut EXPIRES in 2027. It doesn’t raise taxes then on middle class. It just stops lowering taxes then! I’m sure that’s in there as incentive to keep on hiring MAGA people for government so our taxes won’t go up like they did when the W tax break expired and we all paid a lot more in taxes under Obama’s reign of terror. Even though he promised our taxes wouldn’t go up unless we made over $250k! I sure paid a lot more. I don’t think I got a refund for like six years. In fact I had to pay extra in April.

When I get my taxes done next April, I bet I get a refund.
20   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 16, 10:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

what do you omit information?
21   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 16, 10:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I received a tax cut that amounts to appx 20%. I am middle class.

How’s that for a factual basis?
22   Lorinaught   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I watched today as Donald Trump stood next to a KGB agent and attacked the United States. Strangely enough he attacked institutions Trump was technically in charge of. The way I see it, you can love your country or you can love Donald Trump but you cant do both.
23   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 11:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
I received a tax cut that amounts to appx 20%. I am middle class.

How’s that for a factual basis?


That's called an anecdote. It's not data.

And you haven't paid your 2018 taxes yet, so not sure how you know what your cut will be.
24   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 11:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
That second chart is a factual lie.


It's amazing that people can post on here with such veracity but clearly have no idea what they're talking about. The study that those charts come from was clearly linked so anyone who had questions about the data would be easily able to dig in and learn.

Yet the poster obviously didn't feel the need to spend the 2 minutes necessary to answer their question, but instead assumed they were correct.

Quigley says
he tax cut EXPIRES in 2027


No, parts of the cut expire in 2025, parts are permanent. This is by design and IS part of the law.
25   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 11:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
https://itep.org/finalgop-trumpbill/


LeonDurham says
It's amazing that people can post on here with such veracity but clearly have no idea what they're talking about. The study that those charts come from was clearly linked so anyone who had questions about the data would be easily able to dig in and learn.


Yep... linked.... and learned...

So, what do we know about The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy:

...."ITEP, as well as the associated Citizens for Tax Justice, has been characterized as liberal.[16][17][18]"
...."Like BTC, ITEP is a left-wing research institution."



Ahhh Geez, please stop linking and quoting known lefty, liberal, data sources... It's destroys all credibility.
26   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 11:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Ahhh Geez, please stop linking and quoting known lefty, liberal, data sources... It's destroys all credibility.


So, I'm assuming you can show where this liberal leaning institution has misrepresented the facts? Please show their errors.
27   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 11:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
So, I'm assuming you can show where this liberal leaning institution has misrepresented the facts?


Sure, as soon as you answer the dozen or two questions posed to you in the above thread.
28   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 11:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
No, Mr. Magic has posted no relevant facts. That's why I don't bother responding to him.


Just facts that blow up the Liberal narrative.


LeonDurham says
The fact is that Trump's tax breaks are greatly skewed to the rich. They benefit proportionally more than the other taxpayers.


It's because they PAY more proportional amounts of the taxes in the country. We've been over this again, and again, and again.

Who would benefit more from a reduction in federal taxes due, a McDonalds worker or a V.P. of Sales at a big corporation?



Common sense would tell MOST people that if a 5% tax reduction was passed on income, higher income people would get a bigger benefit from it, because they pay the MOST in taxes.

Why is that such a difficult math concept?
29   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 12:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Common sense would tell MOST people that if a 5% tax reduction was passed on income, higher income people would get a bigger benefit from it, because they pay the MOST in taxes.

Why is that such a difficult math concept?


Except that the top 1% is getting a more than proportional savings and the rest is getting less than proportional.

As the chart I posted shows.
31   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 2:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
As the chart I posted shows.


MrMagic says
Ahhh Geez, please stop linking and quoting known lefty, liberal, data sources... It's destroys all credibility.


Try posting FACTS from a NON Liberal, lefty, partisan knowledgeable tax site, then we'll consider it.

After all these years, the Liberals still haven't learned, when you use a known Lefty, radial Liberal source to support a Democrat narrative, you've already lost the argument.
32   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 4:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Try posting FACTS from a NON Liberal, lefty, partisan knowledgeable tax site, then we'll consider it.


A fact is a fact no matter who posts it.

The lengths Trump supporters go to in order to denial reality is nothing short of ridiculous.
33   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 16, 4:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump is doing great. Left is suffering from TDS, constantly bashing him... sorry bunch of losers.
35   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 16, 6:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
A fact is a fact no matter who posts it.


Is that what we get daily from WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, not to mention Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, The View, etc.???

The FACTS??
36   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 16, 6:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
LeonDurham says
A fact is a fact no matter who posts it.


Is that what we get daily from WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, not to mention Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, The View, etc.???

The FACTS??


Well from them we get a twist on the facts, much like Leon's postings in this thread that omit and ignore "pesky" facts that shed a different light on his/her position.
37   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 6:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Is that what we get daily from WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, not to mention Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, The View, etc.???

The FACTS??


You have to be more specific. Most print media outlets contain factual stories and opinion pieces. I would hope you could distinguish between them.
38   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 16, 6:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says

Well from them we get a twist on the facts, much like Leon's postings in this thread that omit and ignore "pesky" facts that shed a different light on his/her position.


Nope. I don't ignore, just correct.
40   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Jul 16, 9:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says


That sums it up quite nicely

There’s at least two sides to every story.

The side that tends towards voting Democrat, maybe watches CNN, thinks Trump is an asshole. They don’t like what he stands for. I can see how that comes to fruition. It’s an easy sell

The other side that votes Republican, likes Breitbart and Foxnews, thinks Trump is beyond reproach. They can literally excuse away anything and everything about Trump. To the point that they fight and argue that they know for certain that Trump dinndu nuffin, miffs me. How can you know anything about Trump and not at least leave the door open to possibility that he’s broken some rules and laws? Everything is Fake News? I don’t get it. I don’t understand the desire to idolized Trump, and the strange motherly protection the Trump cucks blanket over poor victim Trump. He likes them and they like him and that’s all that matters. It’s like a POS Mom defending her POS alcoholic deadbeat son, who can do no wrong, every time he does wrong. Gaslighting endlessly, unrelenting whataboutisms.

I guess it might just be as simple as the cartoon. He drives libruls nuts and that’s good enough for me!

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