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In case that's not obvious as well, employers could be MADE to pay their part, just the same way as they DO for Social Security already. It's called writing legislation.
You think the employers will roll over at the barrel of a gun and start paying all these new INCREASED Medicare taxes for ALL employees?
When one is actually discussed, then you have a point.Until then, no dice.
Actually it's not, it's a "benefit", as in perk of their job. That's why there are employees who DON'T get it.
MrMagic saysActually it's not, it's a "benefit", as in perk of their job. That's why there are employees who DON'T get it.lol--no, it's a benefit. Regardless of the term you want to call it, it's part of one's compensation package so it's YOUR money.
I think it is obvious that we will see many doctors leave the practice and the shortage of healthcare providers will have a big impact on costs, wait times and quality of care.
So, EVERYONE in the company gets it, since it's THEIR money?
Leon - I believe the analysis showing $2 trillion in savings assumes that the health industry remains static and that all doctors will happily take roughly a 30-40% cut to accept Medicare level payments.
This thread is discussing it.
Can you show something to back that up?
Where will doctors go if the Government takes over the whole system?
Medicare For All plan would actually save us money
MrMagic saysSo, EVERYONE in the company gets it, since it's THEIR money?wtf are you talking about? Those that get healthcare costs paid by the company are getting a benefit as part of their total compensation package. Regardless of who sends the check to the healthcare company, it's the employee's money.
If your taxes increase more than you are paying for insurance now, not so.
What you're talking about is health insurance premium costs, please keep the terminology straight.
Healthcare premium costs are a subset of healthcare costs. They are part of healthcare costs.
LeonDurham saysHealthcare premium costs are a subset of healthcare costs. They are part of healthcare costs.Heath care premiums are a funding source for health care. Like fica for medicare or income tax for medicaid. Where the money goes after it is collected is health care costs. You can't double count the same funds like paying a premium than paying a hospital out of the premium.
Exactly, health insurance premiums support a vehicle for payment of Actual Health CARE costs. Just like wages/interest/profits/creditcards/loans are vehicles for paying Actual Health CARE costs.The ACA that "we don't have to read" before voting on was mis-represented to the public from the start. And now people are incorrectly associating terms.
Those that get healthcare costs paid by the company are getting a benefit as part of their total compensation package. Regardless of who sends the check to the healthcare company, it's the employee's money.
Remember @Patrick has asked not to accuse people of being ex users names.
I see, so it's their money, as you claim, so when a new employee starts at a company, and has a 3 month probation period before their healthcare coverage kicks in, the employer gives them additional money in their paycheck those first three months. Then when insurance starts, they take that money out of the paycheck and divert it to insurance payments, right? After all, it's THEIR money.
Conversely, if two people, Joe and Harry, start at a company at the same time with the same position. Joe needs insurance but Harry doesn't, so since it's THEIR money, Harry gets more in his paycheck than Joe, since it's the employee's money, and he's not getting the insurance, so that premium amount is given to him as additional cash.
Depends on what you negotiate.
Depends on what Harry negotiates.
Ahhh, I see how it spins now. It's no longer automatically THEIR money, but now it's based on what they negotiate.Wouldn't that be considered a flexible "benefit" and NOT their money. BTW, did you look up the definition of "benefit" yet?Move the goal posts much?????
Where is Iwog when you need him?
So the argument is that we will transfer 65% of the population to a government plan, and that folks' tax increases will not exceed $1,213 for single folks and $5,714 for an average family?
Nope that's not the argument.
That has nothing to do with the fact that Joe's compensation package might be more lucrative than Jack's.
Conversely, if two people, Joe and Harry, start at a company at the same time with the same position.
Any money the company pays towards health care premiums is part of one's compensation package.
it's the employee's money.
Health care is evolving quickly. I can envision a future that reduces costs by using1) AI for diagnostics and consultations. (in conjunction with) 2) nurse practitioners. 3) Overseen by MD managers...
marcus saysHealth care is evolving quickly. I can envision a future that reduces costs by using1) AI for diagnostics and consultations. (in conjunction with) 2) nurse practitioners. 3) Overseen by MD managers... The only problem here is the oversight by "MD managers". MD's aren't really very well trained to manage the provision of healthcare. They're basically a second line of defense for problems that can't be solved by a nurse or PA. Specialists are a third line for problems that a GP suspects are related to a specific system but can't address himself.The problem is that the farther you go up that chain the less the person is capable of seeing the bigger picture and the more they are zeroed in on their pet disease or bread-and-butter procedure. If you really want to administer better care for less money you need move in the opposite direction and find people who a ...
So, let's see if we can clear this up, you say their Benefits are part of their compensation package and their money. So based on that assertion, the employee can decide to take that complete benefit package as cash, right? Say the employer is paying $12k a year for the insurance premium as part of the benefit package, the employee can request his employer to cut him a check for that $12k instead. Is that how it works?
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