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121   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 12:30pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
I can agree about identity politics and excesses that sometimes go as far as to be anti-white racism on the far left, and coming from SOME minority individuals. But if you can't acknowledge what I see in TRump, then maybe we are at the point of a civil war and race wars. But if it comes to that, I will always blame TRump and you asshole Brietbrt, Fox News, talk radio followers for being so dishonest with yourselves.


The left can't win a civil war against the right. They would lose.

As for "Trump selling hate", no I don't buy it. You have to give me examples of Trump (not third parties, not isolated individuals who Trump doesn't even know personally) actually selling hate. If it's there, I'll admit it, but I have looked extremely hard (remember I did NOT vote for Trump), and besides him calling fat pigs like Rosie a few names, I don't see him selling hate like Democrats do 24/7.

Donald Trump (before he ran as a Republican) was more of a life style icon. Everyone wanted to be like Donald Trump, it was synonymous with being rich, brash, and proud of it, like Tony Stark but in real life.

All the "he's a racist" shit only came out in 2015 when he announced his run, which means it was probably made up bullshit.
122   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 12:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
of leaders with hateful rhetoric, that actually used hate to gain power. Trump is the strongest example of this in the U.S. in my lifetime.


Can you give us an example of hateful rhetoric Trump used? Actual hateful words, not just unkind or insensitive words, not just coarse words of unvarnished truth, but actually hateful words and phrases intended to encourage people to hate groups of people? You know, something like Jeong of the NYT editorial board would say on her Twatter account.

I’ve been following him for two years now and I can’t give such an example.

I’m wondering what kind of fake news you’re watching that you feel (and I do mean feel) like Trump is just spreading hate.
123   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 6, 12:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
LYing and selling hate and fear was all I could see from Trump in his campaign.




I think I see the reason why.

CBOEtrader says
You still cant give a single example, AND that means those who require empirical evidence are in the wrong.


CBOEtrader says
Give me one example of Trump's hateful rhetoric.


Quigley says
Can you give us an example of hateful rhetoric Trump used?


You guys are expecting something that will NEVER happen. Marcus is so involved with his TDS, he will NEVER give an example, because he can't.

All he has is partisan Hyperbole, parroted from CNN...
124   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 12:49pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The guiding principle of Democrats/Socialist/Communism, "You work, I eat."

That's why they suck. Everything else is a distraction.
125   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 12:54pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MrMagic says
All he has is partisan Hyperbole, parroted from CNN...


Trump supporters: All americans deserve the same rights. Lets MAGA for all Americans!

Marcus: Thats racist, ITS TIME FOR A RACE WAR.

Trump supporters: Chill Marcus. Tell us why you so upset.

Marcus: If you dont agree with the violent mob, you are the problem.

Sigh... This is your moderate left folks.
126   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 1:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
You have to give me examples of Trump (not third parties, not isolated individuals who Trump doesn't even know personally) actually selling hate. If it's there, I'll admit it, but I have looked extremely hard (remember I did NOT vote for Trump)


I didnt vote for trump either.

The left going this insane, may have me voting for a major party 2020 potus candidate for first time in my life. Always vote against the nazis.

FYI: you can always tell who the nazis are by their righteous justification for mob violence. Nazis dont "dog whistle".
127   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 6, 1:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
But if you can't acknowledge what I see in TRump, then maybe we are at the point of a civil war and race wars.


In all seriousness, very few here suffer from your level of TDS, and I mean this in all honesty. It's really difficult for anyone to see the same thing, who doesn't suffer from extreme hate of Trump, like you do. I'm being 100% honest here Marcus, you're at the point of needing major intervention and help. It's been over 18 months, and it hasn't tapered off at all.

How are you going to survive the next 2-1/2 years without going into a total meltdown?

I think it will end up being a civil war in the country, there is certainly a large group that is so totally over the top, that a civil war might be the only way to knock some sense into them.

It won't be pretty.
128   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Progressives: trump supporters can't understand why we hate trump.

Also progressives: we refuse to point out examples why we hate Trump.

There has never been a mass brainwashing like what we see today. Frankly, its terrifying to watch millions of Americans behave like Nazis, righteously calling for violence against "dog whistle" wrongthink.

This has never in history ended well. Ever.
129   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 3:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
You still cant give a single example


I could spend the rest of my life writing a book and I would anly be scratching the surface. I don't have time for your pleas of ignorance, as if that's an argument.

Are you going to deny that Steve Bannon and Briatbart reperent a wave of white nationionalism ?

Here, you can read someone elses efforts at putting together a halfway comprehensive list of race related examples. YOur response will likely be:

1) IT's from the NYT op ed piece, proving none of it can be factual, even if I read it and know all the facts cited to be factual.

or

2) "So ? What's wrong with that ? I agree with Trump with everything he says. It's the biggest reason I voted for him. But it's those minority folks that are the racists. Not those that agree with all these things he says. You want to claim that somehow Trump is the race baiter ? You want to claim that somehow inflaming race issues has something to do with why Trump won ?"

Yes. Yes I do.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
130   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 3:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sorry that was the wrong link. I fixed it.
131   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 3:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
Yes. Yes I do.


You are literally talking to yourself now.

Pick an example out of your articles to discuss. I dont think you can. You literally are incapable of defending these criticisms of trump. Prove me wrong.

The forum is asking you to represent your perspective logically. Why are you refusing to try?
132   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 3:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
Sorry that was the wrong link. I fixed it.


"Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources."

Who are these sources? Why are they never identified? This makes the entire piece seem fake and gay.
133   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 3:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Who
Goran_K says
Why


He wont answer. He will do some handwaiving judgmental accusation of Breitbart influence, etc... this game only works when you cant discuss details, which he wont.

Sigh.

As disappointing as this is, @Marcus is still the most reasonable moderate leftist on this site. I am starting to agree there is no such thing as a rational leftist. Prove me wrong Marcus, please.
134   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 3:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Anytime a news source says "according to sources", but never identifies the sources, it has nearly no value as a factual piece of news meant to be discussed.

Now if the article was meant as a "hit piece", then it makes sense to have some anonymous non-specific source.
135   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 3:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Something I think we all should ponder is that Liberal does not equal: Democrat/Left/Progressive. The terms of description are not as tied together as we would like to think. No different for Conservative does not equal: Republican/Right/Static.....
136   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 4:04pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

ForcedTQ says
Something I think we all should ponder is that Liberal does not equal: Democrat/Left/Progressive. The terms of description are not as tied together as we would like to think. No different for Conservative does not equal: Republican/Right/Static.....


Conservative means nothing, afaik.

Liberal is the word we need to defend in that liberal values are individual rights. Liberal values are anti-collectivism by definition.

Therefore both the white supremecists (all 25 of them) and the millions of leftists who believe in intersectional oppression are anti-liberal in exactly the same identity politics type way.

As Jordan Peterson points out, it's more difficult for the leftists to see they have crossed into tyrannical ideology. ^^ This is why you are seeing Marcus and others defend the fascist left. They've been told the other side is evil so many times they think violence is justified. Unfortunately this is always how every worst episode in human history begins
137   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 4:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
Yes. Yes I do.


You, and you alone can identify someone's private motivation when they cant identify it themselves?

Thats some omniscient shit. (One theory.)

-OR-

You are full of shit. (Reality.)
138   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 4:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

ForcedTQ says
Something I think we all should ponder is that Liberal does not equal: Democrat/Left/Progressive. The terms of description are not as tied together as we would like to think. No different for Conservative does not equal: Republican/Right/Static.....


Yeah that has been pointed out many times here. I keep repeating that the original liberal bourgeoisie was totally anti-left and is line with today's Libertarians and moderate Conservatives. Unfortunately we are stuck with inadequate labels but most leftists call themselves Liberal which they aren't.
139   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Aug 6, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
marcus says
CBOE will say, "Give me an example." We've been watching a constant shit show 24/7 and he says give me an example.


You still cant give a single example, AND that means those who require empirical evidence are in the wrong. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! This is nazi logic man, pure and simple. "OF course the Jews are evil and deserve to be taken away. Only a bad person questions the furors logic."

Please wake up before your side goes full nazi.


Who are the Democrats targeting as wrong thinkers?

Who are they trying to “take away”, and where are they planning to put them?
140   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 4:46pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Who are the Democrats targeting as wrong thinkers?


Anyone who disagrees with them.

Look at the recent example w the proud boys in LA, or the massive twitter/FB/youtube censorship, or any number of the dozens of attacks on trump supporters.
141   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 5:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
CBOE will say, "Give me an example." We've been watching a constant shit show 24/7 and he says give me an example.


So you have an example?
142   FPBT   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 5:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Patrick says
marcus says
CBOE will say, "Give me an example." We've been watching a constant shit show 24/7 and he says give me an example.


So you have an example?


Muslims are being targeted by the right.

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/anti-muslim-activity/

https://bigthink.com/brandon-weber/dog-whistles-indeed-twitter-encourages-hate-crimes-study-shows
143   FPBT   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 11:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

May 5, 2018
Atlanta, GA
A female Muslim delivery driver was attacked by a man when she delivered his order. The attacker attempted to strangle her with her headscarf when she attempted to leave his home. He has since been charged with misdemeanor battery.
Fox 5 Atlanta
May 5, 2018
Pembroke Pines, FL
A man sent multiple threatening voicemails to a mosque over the course of a week. The man warned, “I planted a bomb in your temple. I’m gonna blow your [expletive] temple up…You guys wanna come here and cause mayhem to America, well, I’m gonna cause mayhem to your religion ‘cause your religion is nothing but lies. Lies, lies, lies from the devil! Where’s Allah now.” The man was charged with willfully making a bomb threat by telephone.
Miami Herald
April 24, 2018
Kansas City, MO
A man broke into a Muslim family's home, spray painted religious and racial slurs inside the home, and set the staircase on fire. The Kansas City Police Bomb and Arson Unit conducted an investigation into the incident.
KSHB Kansas City
April 2018
San Francisco, CA
A police officer was harrassed by colleagues for being Muslim. Incidents included collegues telling the victim he can't detonate himself in exchange for 72 virgins since he is a police officer, expressing support for the Trump administration's Muslim ban, and claiming Muslims are infiltrating law enforcement. He alleged that since he filed his complaint he has been the target of retaliation. As of April 16, 2018, the SFPD was conducting internal investigations.
CBS SF Bay Area
April 5, 2018
Houston, TX
While driving home from work, a Muslim woman wearing a hijab was forced off the road by an SUV. When she exited her vehicle, she was attacked by a man with a knife, who also yelled anti-Muslim obscenities. The woman managed to escape after being beaten by the handle of the knife several times and stabbed once in the arm.
Houston Chronicle, The Dallas Morning News
April 2, 2018
Takoma Park, MD
Takoma Park resident recieved a "Punish a Muslim Day" flyer, referring to a movement popularized in the United Kingdom. The flyer included rewards for various Islamophobic activities including verbally abusing Muslims, pulling headscarves off women, and burning mosques.
Washington's Top News (wtop)
March 4, 2018
Tempe, AZ
Two women filmed themselves and their children trespassing and vandalizing a mosque while making derogatory comments about Muslims. The women are being charged with burglary and aggravated criminal damage and have pleaded not guilty.
AP
February 16, 2018
Martinsville, VA
Someone threw a rock through the front door of the Martinsville-Henry County Islamic Center. The police have no suspects.
Martinsville Bulletin
January 14, 2018
Tucson, AZ
A group of Muslim women sitting outside of a Starbucks were verbally assaulted by a man who used anti-Muslim remarks and flipped over the table at which the women were seated, causing some of the women to fall. The man was charged with seven counts of disorderly conduct, two counts of assault with no injuries, and two counts of criminal damage.
Tucson News Now
144   FPBT   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 11:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

January 8, 2018
New York City, NY
Muslim police officers with the NYPD at Transit District 11 found their lockers vandalized by colleagues, who wrote anti-Muslim messages and spread feces on the lockers. “F--- you, Muslims” was one of the messages written on the lockers. The department’s Internal Affairs is investigating the incident.
CBS New York, New York Daily News
January 8, 2018
Iowa City, IA
Two Muslim men at a car repair shop were asked by the owner if they were Muslim and if they were terrorists or wearing bomb vests. The owner was charged with third-degree harrassment.
International Business Times, ABC 9
December 26, 2017
Brooklyn, NY
A Muslim woman dressed in a hijab was dining at a Panera Bread when she was kicked, punched, and spat on by a group of teenage girls, who also also called her a "f-----g terrorist." The woman had told the girls to "please be quiet" because they were throwing themselves on the floor, cursing, and swinging from the chandeliers. Her request prompted the attack. The NYPD is investigating the incident as a hate crime.
Newsweek, New York Daily News
December 18, 2017
Clovis, NM
The Golden Mosque was vandalized with red spray paint that read: “Happy Birthday Jesus Christ. From a real Christain [sic]," and "Trump." Local police were unaware if the mosque was still open and unsure of its owner, making hate crime charges difficult.
KRQE News 13
December 4, 2017
Jacksonville, FL
A man planning to "shoot up" the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida was arrested in an undercover FBI sting operation. The man told the undercover detective: "I just want to give these freaking people a taste of their own medicine, you know." The man was charged with possessing a silencer not registered to him, a federal crime.
ABC Action News, News 4 Jax
November 27, 2017
Upper Darby, PA
A mosque was vandalized with several anti-Muslim messages, which were misspelled and nearly illegible. The incident was captured on surveillance footage and police are currently looking for a suspect.
CBS Philly
November 14, 2017
DeKalb, IL
A Muslim woman was harrassed and assaulted by a man at a Walmart. The man walked toward the woman screaming insults before pulling off her veil. The man was charged with a hate crime.
Daily Chronicle, Daily Chronicle
145   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 11:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
As Jordan Peterson points out, it's more difficult for the leftists to see they have crossed into tyrannical ideology. ^^ This is why you are seeing Marcus and others defend the fascist left. They've been told the other side is evil so many times they think violence is justified. Unfortunately this is always how every worst episode in human history begins


And everytime, those pushing censorship and violence say "But you don't understand, this is really a high level threat dangerous to our Country." Every time.
146   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 7, 2:51am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FPBT says
April 2018
San Francisco, CA
A police officer was


Is that one of those silly email forwards or FB forwards that gullible people send each other? It reminds me of a guy who used to get those and use PatNet as his fact checkers, called everybody mutts, he was a big fan of Von Mises. It reminds me also of a thread about Muslim 'persecution' accusations that turned out to be complete hoaxes, I think 2scoops posted a whole bunch including the notorious NYC subway incident:

"Muslim college student made up Trump supporter subway attack story to avoid punishment for missing curfew"

Anyway, your copied and pasted SF accusation leaped out at me. You can't honestly consider SF 'right wing,' so that headline alone should have told you something was wrong. SFPD has gone out of its way to recruit Muslims, including the guy in your story. If you had bothered to check the facts, you would have found that he was fired by SFPD, and had previously been fired by OPD: "OPD would not disclose why but a source with knowledge of the dismissal says the officer was kicked out for quote "untruthfulness" in class assignments... [In addition,] Napa Police were so concerned after interviewing him, they issued the bulletin about their encounter to Bay Area law enforcement agencies." All of that was before SFPD hired him, which goes to show how desperate SFPD is to "diversify" including hiring Muslims.

I'm not going to bother wading through the whole pile of anonymous accusations that you copied and pasted as if true. Do your own fact checking instead of wasting others' time.
147   FPBT   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 7, 4:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

curious2 says
Is that one of those silly email forwards or FB forwards that gullible people send each other?


Nope, came from here
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/anti-muslim-activity/

345 acts of anti-muslime violence. Looks like they have some updating to do.

The point is, to say ONLY the left is violent is aubsurd. Saying this is purposefully being divisive. Is that what this site is about?

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