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161   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 14, 6:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Look how brazen the fake news media is getting. Isn't it amazing ?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/donald-trump-truth-facts-lies/index.html

(note: humanity is so fucked, when you consider the degree to which people believe what they want to believe. Am I right ?)

If only there were such a thing as actual truth and real facts,...sigh.
162   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 7:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

So we're kind of done with this.

You can't even name one lie you're willing to put out there?
163   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 14, 7:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
marcus says

So we're kind of done with this.

You can't even name one lie you're willing to put out there?


Nope. He wont do it. Literally refuses to spell out his own words and think for himself.
164   Call It Crazy   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 14, 8:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
and think for himself.

You mean defend himself against a hostile cultist audience.

Smart man who knows to be on the attack when arguing to win, the inherent advantage in it, and win is the game being played here.

since we got at least 2 different sets of facts, 2 different sets of realities, strident loyalty to tribe/cult, nobody's going to give any serious deliberation about anything typed by a non-fellow cult member.

@CBOEtrader I don't see you defending anything said here.
165   Call It Crazy   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 14, 11:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

A lie isn’t just a false statement. It’s a false statement whose speaker knows it’s false. In these instances, the president — or his administration — have clear reason to know otherwise. Reporters are understandably cautious about using the word — some never do, because it requires speculating on what someone is thinking. The cases we call "lies" are ones where we think it's fair to make that call: Trump is saying something that contradicts clear and widely published information that we have reason to think he's seen. This list also includes bullshit: speech that is — in its academic definition — "unconnected to a concern with the truth."

There are an unprecedented amount of lies coming from Trump, so much so that several sources are listing his lies like greatest hits, the full list, categories, it's sad, Trump diminishes our nation and exposes the office of president itself to ridicule.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list

https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

http://trumpslieslist.com

https://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

You got search engine, just stop ignoring the world about lyin' Donny. LOL

I don't mind because the stink of him will kill the GOP party and with that their agenda to keep money leaving our hands so they can get donor money.
166   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
@CBOEtrader I don't see you defending anything said here.


What? If I were to make a claim like "Donald Trump is a liar" I would 100% back that up w facts and reasons.

The point is that @Marcus nor any other member of the forum has attempted to show why Trump is a huge liar.
167   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 7:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list


Lol buzzfeeds audience must not read.

Does anyone want to choose a whopper and defend it as such?

Still no? That's what I thought. Sigh. I laughed when I read the buzzfeed list. No respectable person would defend this idiocy.
168   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
There are an unprecedented amount of lies coming from Trump

Want to pick one?
169   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK I'll bite. How about this one:

"President Obama said we'd need a magic wand to get to 4% GDP"

Utter and complete lie.
170   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 8:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://twitter.com/funder/status/1039337849546571776

I would not say that Trump lies are "unprecedented" - the definition of any politician lying is that his lips are moving. Trump is not an exception by any means, if we remember Hillary under sniper fire, "I did not have sex with that womyn" etc.

Politician-speak, in fact, has become so coded that it’s essentially another language — what you might call the language of uncommunication. Hutton has examples coming out of his ears. ‘I can’t promise that’ means ‘There is no way in hell that I’m ever going to do that’. This is the right thing to do’ means ‘This is the thing we’re going to do’. ‘We need a grown-up debate’ means ‘I will only engage with people who agree with me’.

I particularly liked Hutton’s suggestions for the ‘rebranding’ of certain historical events. The Crusades become ‘Breaking Down Barriers Between Faith Groups’.
Henry VIII’s marital strategy was ‘Sustaining Families Through Wider Engagement’. And ‘Creating Critical Mass to Drive Demand for Safe Technology’? That’s Chernobyl.
171   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 8:51am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
I would not say that Trump lies are "unprecedented" - the definition of any politician lying is that his lips are moving. Trump is not an exception by any means, if we remember Hillary under sniper fire, "I did not have sex with that womyn" etc.


I haven't seen anything trump has said to be as blatant or disgusting of a lie as HRC's sniper fire comment. What iyo is Trumps most important lie?

I have seen him be factually inaccurate in irrelevant ways like "Chicago had highest murder rate in 25 years" when in fact it had the highest murder rate increase. This mistake deserves to be pointed out, but it isnt "we landed under sniper fire".

Someone, anyone, show us why Trump is a huge liar. I dont think the evidence is there.
172   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Someone, anyone, show us why Trump is a huge liar.

Definitely not huge liar, but I'd say similar in magnitude of lies to many other politicians. The twatter link in my previous post is about Trump helping in 9/11, which I somehow find hard to believe.
173   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
What iyo is Trumps most important lie?


Not sure if it's the most important but Trump said he wants to Make America great again yet he still employs foreign H2B visa holders at his properties. Jobs that can be done by Americans that dilute the power to negotiate wages by American workers.
174   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 11:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I haven't seen anything trump has said to be as blatant or disgusting of a lie
CBOEtrader says
Does anyone want to choose a whopper and defend it as such?
Herdingcats says
Not sure if it's the most important but Trump said he wants to Make America great again yet he still employs foreign H2B visa holders at his properties. Jobs that can be done by Americans that dilute the power to negotiate wages by American workers.


I'll ask again, if Trump wants to MAGA then why does he employ unskilled foreign H2B workers? These are all jobs that can be filled by Americans especially unskilled Americans? Why did he allow the amount to be allowed into this country to increase during his presidency? Truly wanting to MAGA would require wanting to see the number of unskilled foreign labor allowed in this country to decrease not increase.

Please explain how Trump isn't telling a Whopper when he states he wants to MAGA yet employees H2B visa holders? Tell me how does hiring H2B visa holders MAGA?
175   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 15, 11:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
Trump is not an exception by any means
No, that is exactly what he is.

dr6B says
Definitely not huge liar

No, his lying is so profligate that it will not only go down in history, but it will have definite impact on the future of GOP.

Isn't that the point of this thread? -- Violence from the left wing.

Are right wing supporters worried for their lives supporting Trump? Why?

Why should the left wing be violent now?

The link above shows the top 101 of Trumps lies. No one here's going to read it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
176   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 12:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
I'll ask again


I'll change the topic again. Sigh.

Is this your way of admitting Trump is not some huge, dangerous liar?
177   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 15, 12:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I guess you can argue that somehow having a compulsive liar as President is sometimes entertaining, and also that it's great for creating distractions whenever he feels he needs one.

Con artistry skills can be effective. But is this the image of America we want to promote to the world. And is it what or who we want our children to think we are ?
178   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 15, 12:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
having a compulsive liar as President is sometimes entertaining

It's more than just never-ending clickbait,.

It's cover for the oligarchs on his staff as they sneak around shutting down the government that uses tax money to benefit people and the environment.

There is a last supper going on right now. The pigs are gorging their families on the take down of what once made America great.

All the oligarchs are positioning for the end that they worked so tirelessly to create. Everybody is talking about the end of the economy. Economists have been seeing this end, predicting it for at least 30 years now.

Look at latin America, that is the future of USA, walled luxury resorts with their razor wire tops and hills covered with corrugated shacks and trash can fires. Private armies serving wealthy families and corporations. People who speak out will disappear. The demonstrations and protests will be ongoing even with increasing penalties to the demonstrators.

Look for the most fringe segment of society to be blamed for whatever bombings will occur, and they WILL occur because you can stick the people in the hole but they will fight, I don't care how integrated and militarized your police force may be.
179   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 15, 12:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We stand at the point where it is not quite yet too late to mobilize the people against relegation to abject poverty for the sake of a sick leisure class of gold plated pricks.
180   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 12:39pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Compared to Obummer and IHLarry Trump is a compulsive truth teller.
181   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 15, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
It's more than just never-ending clickbait,.

It's cover for the oligarchs on his staff as they sneak around shutting down the government that uses tax money to benefit people and the environment.


Yep. The total opposite of "draining the swamp."
182   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
jazz_music says
It's more than just never-ending clickbait,.

It's cover for the oligarchs on his staff as they sneak around shutting down the government that uses tax money to benefit people and the environment.


Yep. The total opposite of "draining the swamp."


Did you just argue that turning down power = NOT draining the swap? Amazing logic skills on display.
183   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 2:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
The link above shows the top 101 of Trumps lies. No one here's going to read it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien


which one would you like to discuss? (still waiting)
184   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 3:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
No, his lying is so profligate that it will not only go down in history, but it will have definite impact on the future of GOP.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/



Seems that she (xe) is also a fairly profligate liar. Not sure how one can come to conclusion that Trump lies much more (or for that matter much less). Both are lying sacks of politics.
185   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 3:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'll change the topic again. Sigh.

What? I thought you wanted to talk about
jazz_music says
Trumps lies


CBOEtrader says
which one would you like to discuss? (still waiting)


Trump claims he wants to make America great again. I think not employing unskilled foreign labor would show that Trump truly wants to MAGA. Unfortunately he does employ H2B visa holders. Do you believe hiring/allowing H2B Visa holders to take Americans jobs is MAGA? Or is Trump lying when he says he wants to MAGA?

The topic is Trump lies. I haven't changed it. It sure does sound like you are trying to get out of what you said you wanted to do.
186   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
The topic is Trump lies.


Do you have a lie you want to discuss?
188   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 4:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Yes but apparently you do not want to discuss it.


What is that lie? Sounds like you are judging trump for not implementing a PC hiring practice amongst companies w his brand name.

I am neither seeing a problem or a lie in allowing managers to hire who ever is best for the job in the relevant legal job market. You see a lie in here somewhere?
189   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 4:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Have you heard the slogan lead by example? Trump isn't setting a very good example

CBOEtrader says
What is that lie?


The lie is that Trump wants to MAGA. Thought I stated this several times.

CBOEtrader says
I am neither seeing a problem or a lie in allowing managers to hire who ever is best for the job in the relevant legal job market. You see a lie in here somewhere?


Did I say I saw a lie in the practice of hiring H2B visa holders? I said the practice shows he doesn't want to MAGA. He doesn't want to give those jobs to Americans. This is unskilled labor we are talking about.
There are tents full of people in every major city that could do those jobs.

So at what level do you feel we should bring foreign unskilled labor into the country? 10,000? - 10,000,000? What is an acceptable level and why is it ok to dilute the power to negotiate wages by American workers? How does the practice of hiring unskilled foreign labor H2B, when there are plenty of unskilled Americans to take those jobs, make Americarica great again?
190   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol. That comment was not personal. So I can't say Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump??? How is that personal???
191   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 5:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Lol. That comment was not personal. So I can't say Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump??? How is that personal???


I must agree he didn't say which Trump supporter. How is this a personal comment?
192   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 5:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Lol. That comment was not personal. So I can't say Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump??? How is that personal???


Oh wait I got it wrong here is what I said.

It appears Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump. How is marking this personal not censoring political speech? Something Patrick just got finished trying to say doesn't go on here at patrick.net. guess you were wrong @patrick there is political censorship going on here.
193   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 5:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No it’s not.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/10/trump-fires-back-at-obama-boasts-hes-got-magic-wand-on-economy.html

They explain reference in third paragraph to townhall where Obama did say Trump would need s magic wand to bring jobs back.

LeonDurham says
OK I'll bite. How about this one:

"President Obama said we'd need a magic wand to get to 4% GDP"

Utter and complete lie.
194   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 15, 5:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Did you just argue that turning down power = NOT draining the swap? Amazing logic skills on display.


Deep thoughts by CBOE.

They didn't close government programs in order to receive tax cuts. They took tax cuts, assuming it would make programs for the public less affordable in the future (when democrats are "in power.") It's a game we've watched for decades.

Jazz was referring to the intent. Giving themselves tax cuts without caring what spending will have to be reduced or whether the deficit will explode, is only an abuse of power, not a "reduction in power."

Nice fantasy life you lead, not to mention uhm,

CBOEtrader says
Amazing logic skills on display.
195   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 6:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
The topic is Trump lies.
Herdingcats says
Did I say I saw a lie in the practice of hiring H2B visa holders?


Lol, the change your stance as needed in a discussion strategy? Dont get offended when no one knows what you are trying to say.

Herdingcats says
I said the practice shows he doesn't want to MAGA.


Trump never said he wanted to put PC limitations on hiring practices. Legal immigration is A-ok everywhere and by everyone. If you think otherwise, then you've been lied to.
196   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Legal immigration is A-ok everywhere and by everyone
it's not ok to me or clambo. It takes jobs from Americans what is ok about that?
197   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 6:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
CBOEtrader says
Legal immigration is A-ok everywhere and by everyone
it's not ok to me or clambo. It takes jobs from Americans what is ok about that?


You have the right to feel that way. Its simply not Trump's stance, nor most of his supporters.

They want to limit illegal immigration first, worrying about legal H2B's in regards to trump has only been mentioned by those attempting to slander trump.
198   Call It Crazy   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 15, 7:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
those attempting to slander trump.

an overly dramatic characterization.

How exactly is it even possible to "slander Trump?" LOL here some standard defenses to such ludicrous claims of "scandal." You clearly have no idea what you are talking about here.

Fair Comment on a Matter of Public Interest

A defense similar to opinion is fair comment on a matter of public interest. If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.

Lack of Damages

A defendant may also attempt to illustrate that the plaintiff had a poor reputation in the community, in order to diminish any claim for damages resulting from the defamatory statements.

Public Figures

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, in which a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: that the statement was made with "actual malice".

In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.

The concept of the "public figure" is broader than celebrities and politicians. A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established, on the basis that the notoriety associated with the case and the accusations against them turned them into involuntary public figures.

A person can also become a "limited public figure" by engaging in actions which generate publicity within a narrow area of interest. For example, a woman named Terry Rakolta was offended by the Fox Television show, Married With Children, and wrote letters to the show's advertisers to try to get them to stop their support for the show. As a result of her actions, Ms. Rakolta became the target of jokes in a wide variety of settings. As these jokes remained within the confines of her public conduct, typically making fun of her as being prudish or censorious, they were protected by Ms. Rakolta's status as a "limited public figure".


Our president is not even on our side. No slander to saying that either.

And we are not socialists, you are traitors. In order to discuss something there has to be some level of mutual respect involved, which there isn't. So WTF? If somebody cracks you upside your head you get no sympathy from me.
199   CBOEtrader   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 15, 8:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
an overly dramatic characterization.


Perhaps you haven't noticed the MSM 98% anti trump coverage its almost as if gasp those billionaires who control our media dont want trump in office.

Call It Crazy says
And we are not socialists, you are traitors. In order to discuss something there has to be some level of mutual respect involved, which there isn't. So WTF? If somebody cracks you upside your head you get no sympathy from me.


This reads completely unhindged. Is there a point in these crazy words?
200   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 15, 8:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Perhaps you haven't noticed the MSM 98% anti trump coverage its almost as if gasp those billionaires who control our media dont want trump in office


Or almost as if we have a deranged and seriously unfit for the office POTUS. What, the media is supposed to say, "don't worry be happy, nothing to see here, folks, move along. Just give him a chance. There's nothing he could possibly do that deserves criticism, unless you're just part of the establishment that is opposed to his amazing effectiveness that looks like and seems like gross incompetence only if you are his political enemy."

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