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161   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 13, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It’s a big scary world out there with that 100 lb dweeb from Berkeley swinging a twig, and some 17 years old girl denying every Trumpkin their right to wear a MAGA hat!

Meanwhile neo nazi right wingers are at political rallies running their cars into crowds of people, murdering people, a la ISIS
162   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 13, 8:50am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/30/injured-trump-supporters-lawsuit-against

"Officers shepherded them into a violent crowd of protesters and actively prevented them from reaching safety. The Officers continued to implement this plan even while witnessing the violence firsthand, and even though they knew the mob had attacked Trump supporters"

Aphro's response: who cares.
163   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 13, 9:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Meanwhile neo nazi right wingers are at political rallies running their cars into crowds of people, murdering people, a la ISIS


And Bernie Bros are gunning down Republican politicians at baseball games.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-congressional-baseball-shooting-20170621-story.html

Or gay extremists shooting up the Family Research Council.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html

Black Lives extremist kills 5 Dallas cops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
164   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 11:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is why they are coming for your guns, they want to shoot at you with them!

Buy more guns!

Buy ammo!

Grow yams!

Hoard water.
165   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 13, 12:04pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman justifies violence against Republicans. Sounds like left are very Nazi lately.

CBOEtrader says
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/30/injured-trump-supporters-lawsuit-against

"Officers shepherded them into a violent crowd of protesters and actively prevented them from reaching safety. The Officers continued to implement this plan even while witnessing the violence firsthand, and even though they knew the mob had attacked Trump supporters"

Aphro's response: who cares.
166   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 7:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
choose one and go with it. (you wont because you cant)


Trump dishonesty is extremely well documented. THere are days in the recent past with more than 30 factually incorrect statements in a day.

This is a fact.

But like Trump, you evidently don't believe there are verifiable truths or facts in this world.

In my book, any respectable conservative or libertarian would fully acknowledge Trumps dishonesty. To deny it is being every bit as mendacious as he is.
167   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 13, 8:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
THere are days in the recent past with more than 30 factually incorrect statements in a day.


OK. Choose one of those 30.
168   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 6:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wapo's list is up to 5000 now. You've said it's all fiction and that none of those are real lies.

So we're kind of done with this.

History will show one of two to be FACT. Either:

A) All the reality based people are right, and Trump really does live in his own special fact free reality

or

B) Basically all the media is in some kind of giant conspiracy along with basically all honest and intelligent people, to claim that Trump lies constantly.
169   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 6:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Look how brazen the fake news media is getting. Isn't it amazing ?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/donald-trump-truth-facts-lies/index.html

(note: humanity is so fucked, when you consider the degree to which people believe what they want to believe. Am I right ?)

If only there were such a thing as actual truth and real facts,...sigh.
170   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 7:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

So we're kind of done with this.

You can't even name one lie you're willing to put out there?
171   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 14, 7:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
marcus says

So we're kind of done with this.

You can't even name one lie you're willing to put out there?


Nope. He wont do it. Literally refuses to spell out his own words and think for himself.
172   Call It Crazy   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 14, 8:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
and think for himself.

You mean defend himself against a hostile cultist audience.

Smart man who knows to be on the attack when arguing to win, the inherent advantage in it, and win is the game being played here.

since we got at least 2 different sets of facts, 2 different sets of realities, strident loyalty to tribe/cult, nobody's going to give any serious deliberation about anything typed by a non-fellow cult member.

@CBOEtrader I don't see you defending anything said here.
173   Call It Crazy   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 14, 11:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

A lie isn’t just a false statement. It’s a false statement whose speaker knows it’s false. In these instances, the president — or his administration — have clear reason to know otherwise. Reporters are understandably cautious about using the word — some never do, because it requires speculating on what someone is thinking. The cases we call "lies" are ones where we think it's fair to make that call: Trump is saying something that contradicts clear and widely published information that we have reason to think he's seen. This list also includes bullshit: speech that is — in its academic definition — "unconnected to a concern with the truth."

There are an unprecedented amount of lies coming from Trump, so much so that several sources are listing his lies like greatest hits, the full list, categories, it's sad, Trump diminishes our nation and exposes the office of president itself to ridicule.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list

https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

http://trumpslieslist.com

https://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

You got search engine, just stop ignoring the world about lyin' Donny. LOL

I don't mind because the stink of him will kill the GOP party and with that their agenda to keep money leaving our hands so they can get donor money.
174   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
@CBOEtrader I don't see you defending anything said here.


What? If I were to make a claim like "Donald Trump is a liar" I would 100% back that up w facts and reasons.

The point is that @Marcus nor any other member of the forum has attempted to show why Trump is a huge liar.
175   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 7:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list


Lol buzzfeeds audience must not read.

Does anyone want to choose a whopper and defend it as such?

Still no? That's what I thought. Sigh. I laughed when I read the buzzfeed list. No respectable person would defend this idiocy.
176   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
There are an unprecedented amount of lies coming from Trump

Want to pick one?
177   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK I'll bite. How about this one:

"President Obama said we'd need a magic wand to get to 4% GDP"

Utter and complete lie.
178   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 8:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://twitter.com/funder/status/1039337849546571776

I would not say that Trump lies are "unprecedented" - the definition of any politician lying is that his lips are moving. Trump is not an exception by any means, if we remember Hillary under sniper fire, "I did not have sex with that womyn" etc.

Politician-speak, in fact, has become so coded that it’s essentially another language — what you might call the language of uncommunication. Hutton has examples coming out of his ears. ‘I can’t promise that’ means ‘There is no way in hell that I’m ever going to do that’. This is the right thing to do’ means ‘This is the thing we’re going to do’. ‘We need a grown-up debate’ means ‘I will only engage with people who agree with me’.

I particularly liked Hutton’s suggestions for the ‘rebranding’ of certain historical events. The Crusades become ‘Breaking Down Barriers Between Faith Groups’.
Henry VIII’s marital strategy was ‘Sustaining Families Through Wider Engagement’. And ‘Creating Critical Mass to Drive Demand for Safe Technology’? That’s Chernobyl.
179   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 8:51am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
I would not say that Trump lies are "unprecedented" - the definition of any politician lying is that his lips are moving. Trump is not an exception by any means, if we remember Hillary under sniper fire, "I did not have sex with that womyn" etc.


I haven't seen anything trump has said to be as blatant or disgusting of a lie as HRC's sniper fire comment. What iyo is Trumps most important lie?

I have seen him be factually inaccurate in irrelevant ways like "Chicago had highest murder rate in 25 years" when in fact it had the highest murder rate increase. This mistake deserves to be pointed out, but it isnt "we landed under sniper fire".

Someone, anyone, show us why Trump is a huge liar. I dont think the evidence is there.
180   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Someone, anyone, show us why Trump is a huge liar.

Definitely not huge liar, but I'd say similar in magnitude of lies to many other politicians. The twatter link in my previous post is about Trump helping in 9/11, which I somehow find hard to believe.
181   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
What iyo is Trumps most important lie?


Not sure if it's the most important but Trump said he wants to Make America great again yet he still employs foreign H2B visa holders at his properties. Jobs that can be done by Americans that dilute the power to negotiate wages by American workers.
182   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 11:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I haven't seen anything trump has said to be as blatant or disgusting of a lie
CBOEtrader says
Does anyone want to choose a whopper and defend it as such?
Herdingcats says
Not sure if it's the most important but Trump said he wants to Make America great again yet he still employs foreign H2B visa holders at his properties. Jobs that can be done by Americans that dilute the power to negotiate wages by American workers.


I'll ask again, if Trump wants to MAGA then why does he employ unskilled foreign H2B workers? These are all jobs that can be filled by Americans especially unskilled Americans? Why did he allow the amount to be allowed into this country to increase during his presidency? Truly wanting to MAGA would require wanting to see the number of unskilled foreign labor allowed in this country to decrease not increase.

Please explain how Trump isn't telling a Whopper when he states he wants to MAGA yet employees H2B visa holders? Tell me how does hiring H2B visa holders MAGA?
183   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 11:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
Trump is not an exception by any means
No, that is exactly what he is.

dr6B says
Definitely not huge liar

No, his lying is so profligate that it will not only go down in history, but it will have definite impact on the future of GOP.

Isn't that the point of this thread? -- Violence from the left wing.

Are right wing supporters worried for their lives supporting Trump? Why?

Why should the left wing be violent now?

The link above shows the top 101 of Trumps lies. No one here's going to read it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
184   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 12:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
I'll ask again


I'll change the topic again. Sigh.

Is this your way of admitting Trump is not some huge, dangerous liar?
185   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 12:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I guess you can argue that somehow having a compulsive liar as President is sometimes entertaining, and also that it's great for creating distractions whenever he feels he needs one.

Con artistry skills can be effective. But is this the image of America we want to promote to the world. And is it what or who we want our children to think we are ?
186   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 12:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
having a compulsive liar as President is sometimes entertaining

It's more than just never-ending clickbait,.

It's cover for the oligarchs on his staff as they sneak around shutting down the government that uses tax money to benefit people and the environment.

There is a last supper going on right now. The pigs are gorging their families on the take down of what once made America great.

All the oligarchs are positioning for the end that they worked so tirelessly to create. Everybody is talking about the end of the economy. Economists have been seeing this end, predicting it for at least 30 years now.

Look at latin America, that is the future of USA, walled luxury resorts with their razor wire tops and hills covered with corrugated shacks and trash can fires. Private armies serving wealthy families and corporations. People who speak out will disappear. The demonstrations and protests will be ongoing even with increasing penalties to the demonstrators.

Look for the most fringe segment of society to be blamed for whatever bombings will occur, and they WILL occur because you can stick the people in the hole but they will fight, I don't care how integrated and militarized your police force may be.
187   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 12:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We stand at the point where it is not quite yet too late to mobilize the people against relegation to abject poverty for the sake of a sick leisure class of gold plated pricks.
188   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 12:39pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Compared to Obummer and IHLarry Trump is a compulsive truth teller.
189   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
It's more than just never-ending clickbait,.

It's cover for the oligarchs on his staff as they sneak around shutting down the government that uses tax money to benefit people and the environment.


Yep. The total opposite of "draining the swamp."
190   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
jazz_music says
It's more than just never-ending clickbait,.

It's cover for the oligarchs on his staff as they sneak around shutting down the government that uses tax money to benefit people and the environment.


Yep. The total opposite of "draining the swamp."


Did you just argue that turning down power = NOT draining the swap? Amazing logic skills on display.
191   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 2:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
The link above shows the top 101 of Trumps lies. No one here's going to read it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien


which one would you like to discuss? (still waiting)
192   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 15, 3:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
No, his lying is so profligate that it will not only go down in history, but it will have definite impact on the future of GOP.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/



Seems that she (xe) is also a fairly profligate liar. Not sure how one can come to conclusion that Trump lies much more (or for that matter much less). Both are lying sacks of politics.
193   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 3:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'll change the topic again. Sigh.

What? I thought you wanted to talk about
jazz_music says
Trumps lies


CBOEtrader says
which one would you like to discuss? (still waiting)


Trump claims he wants to make America great again. I think not employing unskilled foreign labor would show that Trump truly wants to MAGA. Unfortunately he does employ H2B visa holders. Do you believe hiring/allowing H2B Visa holders to take Americans jobs is MAGA? Or is Trump lying when he says he wants to MAGA?

The topic is Trump lies. I haven't changed it. It sure does sound like you are trying to get out of what you said you wanted to do.
194   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
The topic is Trump lies.


Do you have a lie you want to discuss?
196   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 15, 4:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Yes but apparently you do not want to discuss it.


What is that lie? Sounds like you are judging trump for not implementing a PC hiring practice amongst companies w his brand name.

I am neither seeing a problem or a lie in allowing managers to hire who ever is best for the job in the relevant legal job market. You see a lie in here somewhere?
197   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 4:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Have you heard the slogan lead by example? Trump isn't setting a very good example

CBOEtrader says
What is that lie?


The lie is that Trump wants to MAGA. Thought I stated this several times.

CBOEtrader says
I am neither seeing a problem or a lie in allowing managers to hire who ever is best for the job in the relevant legal job market. You see a lie in here somewhere?


Did I say I saw a lie in the practice of hiring H2B visa holders? I said the practice shows he doesn't want to MAGA. He doesn't want to give those jobs to Americans. This is unskilled labor we are talking about.
There are tents full of people in every major city that could do those jobs.

So at what level do you feel we should bring foreign unskilled labor into the country? 10,000? - 10,000,000? What is an acceptable level and why is it ok to dilute the power to negotiate wages by American workers? How does the practice of hiring unskilled foreign labor H2B, when there are plenty of unskilled Americans to take those jobs, make Americarica great again?
198   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol. That comment was not personal. So I can't say Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump??? How is that personal???
199   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 5:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Lol. That comment was not personal. So I can't say Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump??? How is that personal???


I must agree he didn't say which Trump supporter. How is this a personal comment?
200   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 5:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Lol. That comment was not personal. So I can't say Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump??? How is that personal???


Oh wait I got it wrong here is what I said.

It appears Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump. How is marking this personal not censoring political speech? Something Patrick just got finished trying to say doesn't go on here at patrick.net. guess you were wrong @patrick there is political censorship going on here.

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