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The Solution to Homelessness

By Patrick following x   2018 Aug 5, 10:59am 938 views   39 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Build more housing!

That's it. Increase density limits and overrule municipalities which try to block more housing. Buy or use eminent domain to take land, and physically build tiny houses, millions of them, in the areas where the jobs are, like the SF Bay Area. Sell them cheaply, or rent them out cheaply.

The more housing gets built, the lower prices will be. Unfortunately, most current owners do not want more housing. They want housing to remain scarce and expensive so that the resale price of their own house remains high.
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 5, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Not build more housing, because the current Cities are already fixed and rigged with NAR agents in the City hall that will do everything in their power to make damn sure any new houses built will have a minimum starting price to protect the existing RE values.

We need new Cities, where the first come first serve get a cheap crack at the newly minted housing units. Which will drain many urban areas around America which would then create RE Glut and tank their Fortress prices.

America needs at least 10 new Cities as big as Miami Dade area.
2   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 11:18am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
NAR agents in the City hall that will do everything in their power to make damn sure any new houses built will have a minimum starting price to protect the existing RE values.


Of course they will. The NAR exists to harm people for profit.

But if we all get together and demand more housing in the areas where it is needed, it will get built. The jobs are where they are, and I don't think that can be changed easily.

TrumpCuck says
You don't understand anything about homelessness. It's about mental illness, drug addiction, and alcoholism, NOT housing supply.



I do understand that housing is too expensive in the SF Bay Area, and that the solution to expensive housing it to increase supply.

The solution is definitely not to increase demand for housing via handouts to pay rent and loan guarantees. That just increases costs even more.
3   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 5, 11:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Build more housing!


Why build more, when there is 17 million sitting empty now?



The real issue is not enough people who can afford to BUY them.

Patrick says
The more housing gets built, the lower prices will be.


So, we need more empty houses sitting around?
4   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 11:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Why build more, when there is 17 million sitting empty now?


Because those houses are not where the jobs are.

We need more houses where the jobs are.
5   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 5, 11:31am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
MrMagic says
Why build more, when there is 17 million sitting empty now?


Because those houses are not where the jobs are.

We need more houses where the jobs are.


OK

So when will they start building more land in those places?

Also, jobs can move to where the cheaper housing is.
6   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 12:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Also, jobs can move to where the cheaper housing is.


hahahaah...no, they can't. Jobs are where the employers are...and they are not in Podonk, PodonkState.

Now, if Congress passed a law that forced firms to disperse their employees/facilities in the interest of national security -- say, to protect as much of the economy from being taken out WHEN (not if) we lose a city to a terrorist WMD -- then you would have not only a point, but that is exactly what would happen.
7   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 5, 12:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
We need more houses where the jobs are.


We need more Jobs. Not virtual jobs, not delegated jobs, not keyboard jobs, but make some real shit jobs.
Look at where factories are going when they are returning. They aren't going to congested cities, they are going to backwater towns, so they will spur building booms, and Banks and Insurance buildings to anchor the new Cities that will grow around them. Get a 50 story bank and 50 story Insurance building in a small town built. Within 10 years that town will have a Cityscape skyline.
8   everything   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 5, 12:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's not rocket science, we just don't give a shit about our people is all. It's a throw-away society. Homelessness will prevail. Oh lol, banks and insurance companies, LOL. I've never seen so many for rent signs out as I do now.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/how-finland-solved-homelessness/

But the problem is .. everything cost to much in American society. To simply build affordable housing, be done with it, and then get someone a simple job that is do-able, it's not, the greedy corporation won't have that, the corporation does not care about people, it just cares about dollars. Then you have the monopolies of health care systems, they collude with the food industry to sell you the sickness then they sell you the elixir.

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chronic-homelessness-by-91-percent-heres-how

You need a sustainable society/culture/government before you can even think about tackling homelessness. When everyone just wants money and don't really care about people, this is what you get. GO U.S. GO U.S.

#1 sickest country on the planet.
#1 auto-immune disease on the planet.
#1 cancer on the planet
9   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 5, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
MrMagic says
Also, jobs can move to where the cheaper housing is.


hahahaah...no, they can't. Jobs are where the employers are...and they are not in Podonk, PodonkState.


So, the majority of the IT jobs in the Bay Area can't be done remotely, anywhere in the country that has a Internet connection?
10   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 5, 1:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So you’re saying the solution to the housing shortage is to build more housing? Hmmmmm. Interesting idea.
11   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 5, 2:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
So you’re saying the solution to the housing shortage is to build more housing? Hmmmmm. Interesting idea.



Yes, I think this is one of those oddball concepts, like "If you don't want to be in debt, don't borrow money." What a buzz kill.
12   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 2:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Land will eventually be used more wisely in housing unit production. It's happening already everywhere there is housing demand and a little bit of unused or lightly used land. Department stores and malls are the next targets of the developers, putting failing commercial property to good use as residential when they put up five story condos where a mall used to be. Nice condos, too! Probably start at 5-600k here. Put up a 100 units and you've gone a long way towards relieving some price pressure.
Problem is that the price pressure is at the level that forms diamonds right now. It will take a few million units in California alone to make prices come down measurably. I don't see that happening soon, or not soon enough.

SFR detached residences in city areas are going to be luxury items.
13   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 5, 2:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Build more housing!

That's it. Increase density limits and overrule municipalities which try to block more housing. Buy or use eminent domain to take land, and physically build tiny houses, millions of them, in the areas where the jobs are, like the SF Bay Area. Sell them cheaply, or rent them out cheaply.

The more housing gets built, the lower prices will be. Unfortunately, most current owners do not want more housing. They want housing to remain scarce and expensive so that the resale price of their own house remains high.


How low the price for an apartment should go for the crazy junkies living on the street to be able to afford it? I mean you can beg or steal only so much and these drugs aren't gonna pay for itself, m-kay?
14   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 5, 3:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

As long as you continue to call them 'crazy junkies' instead of 'under-served, liberal, free living citizens', then you are the problem, not them.
15   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 5, 3:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
OK

So when will they start building more land in those places?

There is lots of room in the sky.

MrMagic says
hahahaah...no, they can't. Jobs are where the employers are...and they are not in Podonk, PodonkState.


So, the majority of the IT jobs in the Bay Area can't be done remotely, anywhere in the country that has a Internet connection?

Didn't they say 20 years ago, almost everyone will be working from home or the beach? I don't see it.
Virtual reality should give the feel of working in an office, even if you are at home. Everyone in the office can see you at your cubicle, and you can see everyone at theirs. You will easily be able to flirt with the new interns.
16   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 5, 3:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpCuck says
You don't understand anything about homelessness. It's about mental illness, drug addiction, and alcoholism, NOT housing supply.


Most homeless like being homeless. A six month sentence of hard labor in the Arizona desert will change their mind.
17   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 5, 3:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hassan_Rouhani says
How low the price for an apartment should go for the crazy junkies living on the street to be able to afford it? I mean you can beg or steal only so much and these drugs aren't gonna pay for itself, m-kay?


Even if it's free it won't work. They will turn the home into an inhabitable shit hole within 3 months. Cheaper to just send them to Haiti where they can feel more at home.
18   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 3:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
It's about mental illness, drug addiction, and alcoholism, NOT housing supply.


So why are they predominately in the Blue States...which constantly preach to Red America about how they don't do enough for such people with said problems despite said Blue States not doing jack shit about it themselves despite all those higher taxes they impose on their residents?

If it weren't for double standards, then Libtards wouldn't have any standards at all
19   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 5, 3:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
So, the majority of the IT jobs in the Bay Area can't be done remotely, anywhere in the country that has a Internet connection?

Didn't they say 20 years ago, almost everyone will be working from home or the beach? I don't see it


That happens in my wife's office. People work at least half their week from home. Have laptop, will travel.
20   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 3:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The Solution to Homelessness


Obligatory.

21   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 5, 3:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Supply just needs to meet demand. Right now pricing shows that demand isn’t met, causing inflation
22   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 5, 4:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
Strategist says
It's about mental illness, drug addiction, and alcoholism, NOT housing supply.


So why are they predominately in the Blue States...which constantly preach to Red America about how they don't do enough for such people with said problems despite said Blue States not doing jack shit about it themselves despite all those higher taxes they impose on their residents?


Blue states don't know how to fix these problems, just like they don't know how to fix crime, welfare, terrorism, dictators etc.
Blue states think if you are nice enough, these problems will get solved. The Red states know being tough is what solves the problems.
23   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Aug 5, 5:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
use eminent domain to take land,


I'm sure Trump supporters will love that socialism,especially when it's their property.
Another socialist program,controlled rents. Is this what Rep/Cons are calling free markets?

Housing not the problem! Too many people are the problem.

Strategist says

Blue states don't know how to fix these problems, just like they don't know how to fix crime, welfare, terrorism, dictators etc.
Blue states think if you are nice enough, these problems will get solved. The Red states know being tough is what solves the problems.


Great humor!
24   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 7:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Good group that supports more housing in CA:

https://cayimby.org/
25   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 5, 10:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Commute in the Bay Area is already shitty. I don't know how you can increase housing supply without also increasing the number of people trying to squeeze through our roads and ramps. It's not like we're at peak population, and building more housing will decompress prices, and that's that. Well just end up like New York.

It's too expensive and congested here, so people and businesses are looking at other cities. That's the solution. If it's too expensive, why not go somewhere else?
26   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 5, 11:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Strategist says

Blue states don't know how to fix these problems, just like they don't know how to fix crime, welfare, terrorism, dictators etc.
Blue states think if you are nice enough, these problems will get solved. The Red states know being tough is what solves the problems.


Great humor!


WTF. It was a serious solution.
27   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 6, 10:05am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Supply just needs to meet demand.


Demand from who? People living under the bridge? How much would they pay for a 1br
apartment? If they are so eager to find a cheap apartment why the fuck are they insisting on doing it in SF instead of apartment-hunting in Lincoln, Nebraska (or is it Iowa?). It's not like they are pursuing careers in Big Data, Deep Learning or whatever the fuck the latest buzzword is.
28   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 10:28am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The real solution to homelessness



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29   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 12:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Because those houses are not where the jobs are.

We need more houses where the jobs are.


Cities are on the way out, decentralization is the future. Become more self-sufficient, start your own small business online that you can do from anywhere, or go off-grid and grow your own food. If you guys think South Africa is a fluke, think again. Water was not meant to be diverted to overcrowded cities at the rate it currently is. All big cities importing water will run dry eventually. The ONLY reason big cities exist is tax base and government fees that feed the leeches.
30   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 12:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
WTF. It was a serious solution


Ignore him like most sane people do. He’s the ONLY person I have on ignore. His posts actually make me lose IQ points, as they make no sense and are just meant to aggravate.
31   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 6, 1:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Strategist says
WTF. It was a serious solution


Ignore him like most sane people do. He’s the ONLY person I have on ignore. His posts actually make me lose IQ points, as they make no sense and are just meant to aggravate.


Same here. It would be nice if people have refrained from quoting the fucker.
32   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 6, 4:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Giving AF unlimited belt fed ammo would probably be cheaper and more effective.
33   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 5:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
If it's too expensive, why not go somewhere else?


Because the jobs are here.
34   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 5:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
Cities are on the way out, decentralization is the future.


We've been hearing that ever since the Internet, more than 20 years.

And yet the exact opposite has happened! It is more important than ever to be in a city if you want to be well paid, and the population knows it damn well, which is why their movement to cities is accelerating.

Cities are on the way in, and they need more housing.

Much much more housing. And good public transit, so cars will not be needed.
35   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 5:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
NuttBoxer says
Cities are on the way out, decentralization is the future.


We've been hearing that ever since the Internet, more than 20 years.

And yet the exact opposite has happened! It is more important than ever to be in a city if you want to be well paid, and the population knows it damn well, which is why their movement to cities is accelerating.

Cities are on the way in, and they need more housing.

Much much more housing. And good public transit, so cars will not be needed.


Yeah most of SF is single or double-story houses, plenty of room to build on top, however the traffic/parking situation needs to be solved as well. But mostly the zoning laws are just there to protect house prices.
36   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 6, 5:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Patrick says
NuttBoxer says
Cities are on the way out, decentralization is the future.


We've been hearing that ever since the Internet, more than 20 years.

And yet the exact opposite has happened! It is more important than ever to be in a city if you want to be well paid, and the population knows it damn well, which is why their movement to cities is accelerating.

Cities are on the way in, and they need more housing.

Much much more housing. And good public transit, so cars will not be needed.


Yeah most of SF is single or double-story houses, plenty of room to build on top, however the traffic/parking situation needs to be solved as well. But mostly the zoning laws are just there to protect house prices.


The tech industry did not start in SF. Bulk of it has started and still is in the suburbs. The move of some tech into SF proper is relatively recent fad.
37   Automan Empire   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 6, 9:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Talking of THE solution to homelessness is as unfortunately disingenuous as discussing THE cure for cancer.

It's not one factor, and lack of a domicile is not even among the root causes, but rather one of the results. On other words, lack of a house is a symptom, ONE symptom; not the underlying disease.

The neighborhood where my industrial business is relegated to by zoning rules is also the neighborhood where homeless end up in our suburb. Therefore, I have daily experience spanning decades. Compassion fatigue best summarizes my point of view at this point.

I'm tired of do-gooders treating the symptoms of the problem and bringing care packages that really just maintain addicts in a perpetual state of just above Rock Bottom, so they never hit that and find the will and motivation to improve, or just perish in a spiral of malnutrition and jaundice. The homeless cherry pick through these care packages, take stuff they can eat right there or trade later, and messily throw the rest around the spot were they opened and rifled through it. Literal shit in the bushes, parks, and sidewalks. Disruptions, disturbances, confrontations, and aggressive panhandling driving business away before my eyes. People with no concept of property marauding through the community all day and night 7 days a week, stealing everything including stuff nailed and bolted down.

Decent people who fall on hard times come and go in the area; they go about their business without making chronic nuisances of themselves, act civilized, and eventually get themselves back on their feet despite all the challenges in the economy and housing market. People like this make up a small percentage of the homeless in my area.

For the anticivilized chronically homeless, I'm short of actionable solutions without a continent like 1800s Australia to ship them off to.
38   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 7, 11:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
We've been hearing that ever since the Internet, more than 20 years.

And yet the exact opposite has happened! It is more important than ever to be in a city if you want to be well paid, and the population knows it damn well, which is why their movement to cities is accelerating.


Think longer term. Centralization has been the direction for hundreds of years. But now look at the organic food movement, the record number of young farmers, with no background in farming, tiny houses, internet business, home gardens, droves leaving California. The growing backlash against cellphone over-use, people leaving social media, central government bloated beyond recognition, toppling in many countries. These are all de-centralizing trends, and they just started growing.

In my own search to get out of the city more often, minimalise my life, and look outside the box when it comes to where and how I live, I've come across many people on the same journey. Long term trends like this are slow to change, but they are changing. There is not a single large city on the planet that is sustainable in it's current form, and the change that's coming won't seek to revitalize them, it will eliminate them.
39   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 7, 11:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
And yet the exact opposite has happened! It is more important than ever to be in a city if you want to be well paid, and the population knows it damn well, which is why their movement to cities is accelerating.

Cities are on the way in, and they need more housing.


and there lies the problem..

Paychecks are only part of it, the cost of living is the other BIG piece of it..

It's NOT what you make, it's what you SAVE..

Higher salaries in the city means squat if the cost of living in the cities is even higher, and you can't afford to live there. It doesn't matter what the salary is, if the only housing you can afford is a closet in someone elses house.

Once the youngsters understand that simple point, the better off they'll be (and they'll be living out in rural areas).




The Housing Trap
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