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Democrat Senator: Only Censorship can save our Democracy

By TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce following x   2018 Aug 7, 8:05am 538 views   29 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    



Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., is calling on other tech companies to ban more sites like InfoWars, and says the survival of American democracy depends on it.

“Infowars is the tip of a giant iceberg of hate and lies that uses sites like Facebook and YouTube to tear our nation apart. These companies must do more than take down one website. The survival of our democracy depends on it,” Murphy tweeted Monday.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/survival-of-our-democracy-depends-on-banning-sites-like-infowars-democratic-senator-says

There's multiple levels to this.
1. Legacy Media Business Plans
2. Legacy Media's failing Influence (why else would Bezos buy the WaPo, which has studiously ignored any reporting on Amazon Warehouses)
3. Establishment's embrace of Postmarxist Postmodernist 60s-70s Oppression Theory to further Open Borders and Cheap Labor.
4. Western Influence; yes, Western Civilization is spreading like wildfire, so the Left needs to destroy Western Civ (and it's White Core) to have a hoot in hell of bringing in Utopian, Worldwide "Social Justice." This includes the Westphalian concept of the Nation State.
5. Corporatists also want to do away with Nationalism so there is no check and balance on their preferred Multilateral Treaties and Trade Zones.
6. Many People are still stuck in the past, refusing to see the primary struggle is Nationalism vs. Globalism, including traditional Progressives, as the Ezra Klein-Bernie Sanders interview revealed.
7. The "Cathedral" or the "Clerisy" is the combination of Corporate Administration (esp. PR/HR), Academia, many NGOs, and the Press, working together to push the pro-Globalist narrative.

Only censorship can save the Cathedral's promulgation of a narrative, with only ineffectual George Will style conservatives complaining impotently.
1   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 7, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another Democratic Senator: Mark Werner (D-VA), the Darkest Dork in DC.

All your base are belong to us. A leaked memo circulating among Senate Democrats contains a host of bonkers authoritarian proposals for regulating digital platforms, purportedly as a way to get tough on Russian bots and fake news. To save American trust in "our institutions, democracy, free press, and markets," it suggests, we need unprecedented and undemocratic government intervention into online press and markets, including "comprehensive (GDPR-like) data protection legislation" of the sort enacted in the E.U.

Titled "Potential Policy Proposals for Regulation of Social Media and Technology Firms," the draft policy paper—penned by Sen. Mark Warner and leaked by an unknown source to Axios—the paper starts out by noting that Russians have long spread disinformation, including when "the Soviets tried to spread 'fake news' denigrating Martin Luther King" (here he fails to mention that the Americans in charge at the time did the same). But NOW IT'S DIFFERENT, because technology.

"Today's tools seem almost built for Russian disinformation techniques," Warner opines. And the ones to come, he assures us, will be even worse.

Here's how Warner is suggesting we deal:

Mandatory location verification. The paper suggests forcing social media platforms to authenticate and disclose the geographic origin of all user accounts or posts.


Mandatory identity verification: The paper suggests forcing social media and tech platforms to authenticate user identities and only allow "authentic" accounts
("inauthentic accounts not only pose threats to our democratic process...but undermine the integrity of digital markets"), with "failure to appropriately address inauthentic account activity" punishable as "a violation of both SEC disclosure rules and/or Section 5 of the [Federal Trade Commission] Act."

Bot labeling: Warner's paper suggests forcing companies to somehow label bots or be penalized (no word from Warner on how this is remotely feasible)

Define popular tech as "essential facilities."
These would be subject to all sorts of heightened rules and controls, says the paper, offering Google Maps as an example of the kinds of apps or platforms that might count. "The law would not mandate that a dominant provider offer the serve for free," writes Warner. "Rather, it would be required to offer it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms" provided by the government.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/31/democrats-tech-policy-plans-leaked
2   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 7, 9:18am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is scary. Yet you have the lefties on this site claiming this stuff doesn’t exist.

Probably the same soulless morons that vote for that evil asshole Richard Pan.
3   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 7, 10:03am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
claiming this stuff doesn’t exis


What stuff ? Stories about mass shootings being government set ups to justify taking away our guns ? OR Pizza gate stories about elite democrats in pedophile ring run out of a pizza parlor in D.C.. Or stories about the many murders Hillary Clinton has committed in her lust for power ?

Yeah, freedom has no meaning if Americans with below average intelligence can't be manipulated with that kind of noise.

I don't know how we ever even got along when the fairness doctrine was in place.
4   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 7, 11:08am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I really thought you would be one of the few posters on this site to see the danger posed by the level of censorship being proposed. I actually do believe you will eventually get it.
5   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Aug 7, 12:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump was right!
Too politically correct!

DIE! Democrats & Republicans if you want to save America!
7   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 7, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
I really thought you would be one of the few posters on this site to see the danger posed by the level of censorship being proposed.


Ha Ha ha.. was that a joke? Is this April 1st?

CovfefeButDeadly says
I actually do believe you will eventually get it.


He won't, not in anyone's lifetime. The TDS runs too deep...
8   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 7, 3:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol leftoid losing it. As long as Dems have people like this guy representing them they will keep losing.
9   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 7, 3:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
What stuff ? Stories about mass shootings being government set ups to justify taking away our guns ? OR Pizza gate stories about elite democrats in pedophile ring run out of a pizza parlor in D.C.. Or stories about the many murders Hillary Clinton has committed in her lust for power ?

Yeah, freedom has no meaning if Americans with below average intelligence can't be manipulated with that kind of noise.

I don't know how we ever even got along when the fairness doctrine was in place.


With that, you've in all logical and philosophical sense given up any argument against your 1st amendment rights ever being curbed. You do know that right?
11   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 4:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
With that, you've in all logical and philosophical sense given up any argument against your 1st amendment rights ever being curbed. You do know that right?


Based on your belief in an absolute first amendment: how do you prevent foreign nations from running full scale propaganda operations in the US with the purpose to divide, disinform, polarize, destroy the credibility of institutions, etc....?

Do you believe McCarthy was wrong?
12   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 7, 4:15pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
Based on your belief in an absolute first amendment: how do you prevent foreign nations from running full scale propaganda operations in the US with the purpose to divide, disinform, polarize, destroy the credibility of institutions, etc....?


You mean as opposed to the home grown media which doesn't run full scale propaganda operations in the US with the purpose to divide, disinform, polarize, destroy the credibility of institutions, etc?

I believe in the 1st amendment, I don't believe in "preventing" people from exercising their constitutional rights based on someone's "opinion" of what qualifies under 1st amendment protection. The founders were clear what the 1st amendment protects, everything else is simply a path to totalitarianism.
13   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Aug 7, 4:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
14   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 4:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
Do you believe McCarthy was wrong?

I believe McCarthy was one of the disgusting episodes of our nation. Now the democrats have taken up his mantle-but with far more power by the leftie globalist scum corporations.
15   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Yeah... let the Russians run propaganda against us.
It's well known propaganda doesn't work on Americans. We're immune.
The founding fathers obviously anticipated the Internet and social media, and so all we need is just respect what they said to the letter.
Nothing bad will happen to the country.


You people need to study propaganda. Seriously.
16   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
You people need to study propaganda. Seriously

propaganda by the socialists, communists, leftists-yeah we know we see it everyday-wether that be antifa or the globalist scum MSM.
17   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
with far more power by the leftie globalist scum corporations.


The fact that we have an unpopular and polarized establishment with low credibility makes things very easy for Russians propagandists. Does it not?
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
18   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 7, 5:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Mandatory location verification. The paper suggests forcing social media platforms to authenticate and disclose the geographic origin of all user accounts or posts.


This is how you know these proposals aren't about hackers. A normal person would have no idea how to mask IP, whereas any goon w a few hours of time setup a virtual network from another location. Therefore everyone w a reason to hide location would.

This is all about infringing on rights while saying it's for security. #fakenews
19   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 7, 5:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
Goran_K says
With that, you've in all logical and philosophical sense given up any argument against your 1st amendment rights ever being curbed. You do know that right?


Based on your belief in an absolute first amendment: how do you prevent foreign nations from running full scale propaganda operations in the US with the purpose to divide, disinform, polarize, destroy the credibility of institutions, etc....?

Do you believe McCarthy was wrong?


You can't prevent individuals in other nations from sharing info, whether true or false.

You can point it out, be as transparent as possible, and hope your own journalists have the integrity to speak truth into propaganda. Unfortunately our own journalists have done the most harm to our country. Take a look at how the left is treating conservatives who gasp go to a coffee shop in Portland.
20   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
The fact that we have an unpopular and polarized establishment with low credibility makes things very easy for Russians propagandists. Does it not?
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Perhaps you have bought in the democrat and deep state propaganda about Russia and now enthusiastically support giving up your own rights. Hillary colluded with Russia to get the dossier.
21   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 7, 5:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I think he means the survival of the Democrat party depends on censoring the Conservatives.
23   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Take a look at how the left is treating conservatives who gasp go to a coffee shop in Portland.


This type of incident is exactly what the Russians are aiming for. Polarization, increased divisions between groups, constant cynicism, increased intolerance between 2 parties, groups deciding to use violence, etc etc...

CBOEtrader says
You can't prevent individuals in other nations from sharing info, whether true or false.


What individuals do is irrelevant. Sharing information is not propaganda.
To influence Facebook algos, you need coordinated actions of a large group.
To run influential web sites, or podcast you need a large capacity to find and distribute controversial information.

There is a difference between individuals free speech, and full scale propaganda.
24   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Russians have already won over the dems they just don't know it.
25   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 5:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Perhaps you have bought in the democrat and deep state propaganda about Russia


Nope. Democrats are trying to link Trump to this. I see no sign that Trump is involved.

In fact I'm quite certain Russians are helping the left in some cases. Civil discord is their goal.
26   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 7, 6:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
lostand confused says
Perhaps you have bought in the democrat and deep state propaganda about Russia


Nope. Democrats are trying to link Trump to this. I see no sign that Trump is involved.

In fact I'm quite certain Russians are helping the left in some cases. Civil discord is their goal.


It's also likely China is doing that too. I remember a while back, either during Bush or Obama admin I read some wikileak about how Chinese government was planning some sort of attack on us, which was going to be economic and social in nature. Basically propaganda to create dissent, and economic policies that kill jobs. That was a while back. I wonder if that is what I read, and if it's finally taking hold with the left.

My guess though, left just took their left wing to extreme, and simply lost control over their crazies. They can no longer control the shit they created.
27   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 7, 6:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

China, Iran, NK, etc, etc,... it's a free for all.
China has probably massive operations to influence policies more directly in its favor. It just has to harp on the greed of our elites.
"Chinese influence operations that affect American universities, think tanks, movie studios and news organizations"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chinas-fingerprints-are-everywhere/2018/01/09/9410f060-f580-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_story.html?utm_term=.72cf5ff18191
28   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 7, 6:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
lostand confused says
with far more power by the leftie globalist scum corporations.


The fact that we have an unpopular and polarized establishment with low credibility makes things very easy for Russians propagandists. Does it not?
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.


Only for brain dead Liberals..

Russia, Russia, Russia!!!
29   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 7, 9:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
It's also likely China is doing that too. I remember a while back, either during Bush or Obama admin I read some wikileak about how Chinese government was planning some sort of attack on us, which was going to be economic and social in nature. Basically propaganda to create dissent, and economic policies that kill jobs. That was a while back. I wonder if that is what I read, and if it's finally taking hold with the left.

Imagine what Chinese must think of Tranny Bathrooms and SJWs.

MrMagic says
Russia, Russia, Russia!!!


But never Germany, Germany, Germany or Norway, Norway, Norway, or UAE UAE UAE, all of whom spent far more money influencing the US Election than was ever shown for Russia.




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