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Ellis again compared the Ukrainians in question to American billionaires and “Mr. Koch and Mr. Soros” as political contributors.“I don’t know why you keep bringing (up) these people,” Andres said, referring to the Ukrainians. “These people are not like any Americans. These people are oligarchs and that means they control a segment of the economy based on the governments allowing them to do that.”’“These are not really political contributions,” he continued. “They are self-serving payments with respect to what oligarchs do.”“That makes it even clearer to me that it doesn’t have anything to do with the allegations in this case,” Ellis responded. “It throws dirt on these people. They may deserve it. I don’t know – and I don’t care.”At another point in the exchange Andres could be heard challenging Ellis on a technicality. “Respectively, judge, that is not what the law is,” Andres responded bluntly at one point.The most heated moment of the debate, however, took place when Ellis got perturbed by Andres not looking up at him while speaking.“Look at me! Don’t look down,” Ellis demanded.Then, when Andres responded that he was looking at a relevant document, the exchange grew testier.“You looked down as if to say ‘that’s B.S.!’” Ellis said. “I’m up here!”
I don’t think this case is as complex as it could be made to be.’
Manafort going down.