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1   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Michigan's 13th District"

One of the Top 10 WORST Congressional districts as rated by poverty, crime, and outcome in the entire country.

I'm not surprised it's deeply Democrat and about to elect a pagan.
2   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

...because we most certainly need MORE adherents of 7th century desert superstitions in positions of power!
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Aug 9, 11:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Hand wiper ran unopposed. It's a street shiter district.

She may get elected to congress to see most of her district Fed-Ex'd the Fuck back with return to Sender in care of Barak Obama
4   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 9, 11:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
I'm not surprised it's deeply Democrat and about to elect a pagan.

Is this not "out group" thinking about both democrats and pagans?
(in-group being... what? religious right wing people).
5   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 12:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
Is this not "out group" thinking about both democrats and pagans?
(in-group being... what? religious right wing people).



It's just facts (I know that's a tough pill to swallow for certain collectivists).

Democrats/Collectivists own 8 out of the Top 10 worst congressional districts in the country based on wealth, crime, and personal outcomes.

Muslims do not create socially stable societies. The only way they achieve stability is through brutality. My proof? The entire middle east.

I'm not surprised there is some intersection here.
6   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Aug 9, 12:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

An elected sleeper cell suicide bomber could get rid of the Democrats & Republicans in a special congressional
meeting.
Brain dead D & R voters aren't going to save America.
7   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 9, 12:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Muslims do not create socially stable societies. The only way they achieve stability is through brutality. My proof? The entire middle east.


Unfortunately your belifes do not constitute facts
8   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 1:20pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dawkins about Islam (and I wholeheartedly agree):

“It’s tempting to say all religions are bad, and I do say all religions are bad, but it’s a worse temptation to say all religions are equally bad because they’re not,” the “Science in the Soul” author said. “If you look at the actual impact that different religions have on the world, it’s quite apparent that at present the most evil religion in the world has to be Islam.”

Despite his years of denouncing religion, Richard Dawkins does not welcome a European future without Christianity. On Wednesday, the atheist author and evolutionary biologist warned those inclined to “rejoice at the death throes of the relatively benign Christian religion” to keep in mind the danger of "something worse" taking its place. That worse alternative, Dawkins suggests, is Islam, which he has previously called “the most evil religion in the world.” “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”

...Dawkins responded with an open letter declaring he would continue to condemn the “misogyny, homophobia, and violence of Islamism,” and noting that he has been similarly critical of Christianity—to which none of his hosts have ever objected. “Why do you give Islam a free pass?” he asked. “Why is it fine to criticize Christianity but not Islam?”
9   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Aug 9, 1:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Can't wait for the first female Muslim to be sworn in to Congress.


Me too, should be really entertaining.

10   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 1:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Unfortunately your belifes do not constitute facts


That's why I didn't offer "my beliefs" as facts.

I offered this as proof.

11   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 2:01pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Unfortunately your belifes do not constitute facts


Uh, he was stating facts. Got any facts to back up your “belifes?”
12   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 2:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh Goran you forgot quite a few “example” Muslim countries. There’s also Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan (used to be doing well as part of India before Islam took over), Malaysia, Indonesia (bomb for Bali anyone?), and a few choice bits of the Philippines like Mindinao which recently had a very bloody insurrection. You could also mention how Londonistan has fared under Islamic occupation, with mass stabbings every day, horrifying acid attacks, rape and grooming gangs, the abolishment of free speech (might offend the Muslims), and main thoroughfares looking like processions of trash bags.

Oh yes, Islam has enriched the world. It turns everything it touches into a shit hole!
13   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 2:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Oh Goran you forgot quite a few “example” Muslim countries. There’s also Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan (used to be doing well as part of India before Islam took over), Malaysia, Indonesia (bomb for Bali anyone?), and a few choice bits of the Philippines like Mindinao which recently had a very bloody insurrection. You could also mention how Londonistan has fared under Islamic occupation, with mass stabbings every day, horrifying acid attacks, rape and grooming gangs, the abolishment of free speech (might offend the Muslims), and main thoroughfares looking like processions of trash bags.

Oh yes, Islam has enriched the world. It turns everything it touches into a shit hole!


True, but I'm not sure 1,000,000,000 people is enough proof for Islam lovers.
14   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 9, 2:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says

These are neither all Arabs, nor all Muslim, nor... hummm democrats... what are you trying to show here?
15   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 2:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
These are neither all Arabs, nor all Muslim, nor... hummm democrats... what are you trying to show here?


Here's a good primer if you're really looking to learn and not troll.
16   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 3:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What Americans demand to know: Are her labia and clit intact?
17   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 3:16pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Can't wait for the first female Muslim to be sworn in to Congress.


Previously, you alleged "anti-muslime violence," citing mainly unsubstantiated accusations of alleged blasphemy. Now, you "can't wait" for the first female Muslim in Congress - not because of any particular policy position or even party affiliation, but simply because she is a "muslime".

The combination implies that you support the agenda of the "New America Muslim Diaspora Initiative," to promote hijrah, spreading Islam. That is a tragic mistake, which Democrats appear to be making, and a reason why Democrats have been mostly separated from power. Your "muslime" representatives (there are already others) will be sworn into Congress, but be careful what you wish for. In most countries where Muslims have enough power to make law, they enact Sharia.
18   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 9, 3:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
The combination implies that you support the agenda of the "New America Muslim Diaspora Initiative," to promote hijrah, spreading Islam.


Christianity just isn't doing it for me anymore I'm going for the underdog. Number 2 or is it #2
19   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 3:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Example of anti-muslim violence from Newamerica.org:

June 4, 2018
Irmo, SC
Mayor Hardy King shared a photo on his Facebook account that blamed Muslims for a series of attacks, including the San Bernardino and Orlando shootings. It was the second anti-Muslim post he made on his account in a one month period.
20   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 3:59pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Christianity just isn't doing it for me anymore I'm going for the underdog. Number 2 or is it #2


You’re welcome to self deport to a suitable Muslim shit hole. Don’t be bringing your life choices on the rest of us!
21   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 4:02pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This peach is too good to be true. You want to bring Islam into USA government? Get ready for a fight, that shit isn't going to fly.

From the Commie News Network: "Two years ago, she was arrested for disrupting a Trump speech in downtown Detroit, where she shouted at him that "our kids deserve better" and encouraged him to read the Constitution."

They aren't giving the actual details of why she was arrested. And, "our kids deserve better?" Whose kids would those be? You proponent for Department of Education? Want to abolish ICE because think DACA kids have standing? Want to bring in more illegal aliens to pump up your potential to overthrow? What's the plan Mam?

The stupid proles that are in her district electing her, or the lemmings not voting and allowing her to be elected by the stupid proles need to be slapped upside their heads!
22   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 9, 4:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Maybe she’ll legalize beheadings of infidels. Naturally starting with her district?
23   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 5:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says

Christianity just isn't doing it for me anymore I'm going for the underdog. Number 2 or is it #2


Islam is full of #2, but swallowing it is unhealthy and very similar to joining the Nazis. During WWII, the founding Nazis agreed with the leading Muslims of their day that their doctrines were very similar. 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS, where they got a reputation for particularly brutal murder of Jews. If you want to join the underdog, then you must convert to Judaism.

24   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 9, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@curious2

the person in picture is Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin Al-Husseini, who declared that Muslims should follow the example Germans set for a "definitive solution to the Jewish problem". He has also stated that "It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to ... drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries... . Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world"

Religion of Peace anyone?
25   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 9, 8:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
FPBT says
Christianity just isn't doing it for me anymore I'm going for the underdog. Number 2 or is it #2


You’re welcome to self deport to a suitable Muslim shit hole. Don’t be bringing your life choices on the rest of us!
It's her first amendment right to practice what ever religion she chooses, if that makes you uncomfortable thats too bad.
26   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 8:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Would she allow her husband to marry 3 other wives??
27   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 10:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
first amendment right


Muslims/Nazis have a first amendment right to their beliefs, but not to censor blasphemy.

dr6B says
Example of anti-muslim violence from Newamerica.org:

June 4, 2018
Irmo, SC
Mayor Hardy King shared a photo on his Facebook account that blamed Muslims for a series of attacks, including the San Bernardino and Orlando shootings. It was the second anti-Muslim post he made on his account in a one month period.


Muslims/Nazis do not have a right to make false accusations against Mayor King, e.g. accusing him of violence when in fact he was merely telling the truth. The San Bernardino and Orlando attacks were committed by Muslims in the name of the Islamic State, to which they had sworn allegiance, and which claimed credit for the murders, as per Islam. That doctrine is a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, and should have been buried with Mohamadman and Hitler.
28   Blue   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 10, 12:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Quigley says
FPBT says
Christianity just isn't doing it for me anymore I'm going for the underdog. Number 2 or is it #2


You’re welcome to self deport to a suitable Muslim shit hole. Don’t be bringing your life choices on the rest of us!
It's her first amendment right to practice what ever religion she chooses, if that makes you uncomfortable thats too bad.


>It's her first amendment right to practice what ever religion she chooses
Are you suggesting, it time to update first amendment to exclude this f. religion. I can assure, if all this believers are sent out to their respective holy places (aka s.h.) this country GDP will improve significantly along with human dignity.
29   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 5:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
Are you suggesting, it time to update first amendment to exclude this f. religion


If you exclude 1 you must exclude all which is fine with me.
30   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 10, 6:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
when in fact he was merely telling the truth

That was my point, half of "incidents" on that website are simply people telling truth
33   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 10:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberals are going to bring society back into Stone Age.
34   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 10:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why is Christians killing in the name of God any more moral than Muslims killing in the name of allah?FortWayne says
Liberals are going to bring society back into Stone Age.
35   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 10:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

9/11 was Muslims attacking America, their leader called on all Muslims to start a fight against us. They wanted us dead. And they lost, because our army steamrolled their shit. It’s mind boggling there are stupid people today who support those who want us all dead.

You want to die in the name of some weird interpretation of equality, feel free. It’s a free country. But don’t you dare put the rest of us into that stupid position.


FPBT says
Why is Christians killing in the name of God any more moral than Muslims killing in the name of allah?FortWayne says
Liberals are going to bring society back into Stone Age.
36   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 10, 10:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Jihadi Beaver Shot: when you get hit in the face with it after the vest bomb goes off.
37   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 10, 10:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
They wanted us dead. And they lost, because our army steamrolled their shit.

They didn't lose. They are winning. You kill a few here and there, but they reproduce much faster and they are perfectly happy to die.
38   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 10, 10:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How China deals with Muslims:

U.N. says it has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps

"Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into “political camps for indoctrination” in the western Xinjiang autonomous region. "
39   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
It’s mind boggling there are stupid people today who support those who want us all dead.


I don't support people who want us all dead weather the be Christian or Muslim. Killing is wrong no matter who does it.
40   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
You want to die in the name of some weird interpretation of equality, feel free. It’s a free country. But don’t you dare put the rest of us into that stupid position.


Can you please explain to me the difference between you wanting all of them dead and them wanting all of you dead? Which side is right? I say both sides are wrong.
41   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 11:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If someone tries to kill you, you kill them right back. End of story.

FPBT says
FortWayne says
You want to die in the name of some weird interpretation of equality, feel free. It’s a free country. But don’t you dare put the rest of us into that stupid position.


Can you please explain to me the difference between you wanting all of them dead and them wanting all of you dead? Which side is right? I say both sides are wrong.
42   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 10, 11:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
Being the gateway pundit the more likely answer is Fake News.

http://www.fox9.com/news/193132614-story


Your link provided verification rather than refutation of the incestuous union. A simple statement by the accused in no way resembles negative proof. And the statement by others later in the article cast serious doubt on her statement. The existence of proof of her marriage to a brother lends further credibility to the charge. At the very least, she is guilty of immigration fraud. A fine quality in a Congress critter. But what more could be expected from a Somali pirate?
Truly the greatest culpability lies with the traitors in our own government who allowed Somalis to immigrate to the USA. That was the first mistake.
43   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Your link provided verification rather than refutation

Ahhh no it does not. What verification? Someone's accusations? How does that verify anything? A simple statement by an accuser offers no more proof than does her denial of the accusation.
Please point out what proof that Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is her brother. There is no more proof that they are siblings than we are siblings. Just because I say you are my brother doesn't make it so.
44   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
If someone tries to kill you, you kill them right back. End of story.

2 wrongs don't make a right. What happened to thou shall not kill? I guess that is why I'm not a fan of Christians they can be such big hippocrates
45   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 1:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What happened to defending yourself?
Christian doesn’t mean victim

FPBT says
FortWayne says
If someone tries to kill you, you kill them right back. End of story.

2 wrongs don't make a right. What happened to thou shall not kill? I guess that is why I'm not a fan of Christians they can be such big hippocrates
46   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 5:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Your link provided verification rather than refutation


Here is another link

https://medium.com/@dbrauer/a-few-thoughts-on-the-ilhan-omar-marriage-story-cc70c4f96c29

I like the quote from Bannon, I guess it was written when he still was with Breitbart
47   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 5:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Now you are just trolling
48   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 10, 7:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
your belifes do not constitute facts


Neither do yours. Worse, when people post actual facts, you persist in counterfactual beliefs. (Please note the correct spelling of beliefs.)

FPBT says
big hippocrates


If you are referring to Hippocrates of Kos, he died 2,400 years ago, at a time when humans were generally shorter than they are now. I have never heard him called "Hippocrates the Big," but I suppose "big" can seem relative, depending on the size of the observer.

FPBT says
anti-muslime

Are you calling Muslims slime? Perhaps you should be reported for racist wrongspeak.

FortWayne says
just trolling


FP used to post similarly trollish comments, but could at least spell.

FPBT, if FPBT=FP, then I hope you're ok. Loss of spelling can be a bad sign. Maybe a stroke?
49   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 7:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Now you are just trolling


How so? Did you bother to see if there actually was a qoute?

From the link.

There’s an excellent Bloomberg BusinessWeek piece that’s just resurfaced on Donald Trump’s new campaign CEO, Steve Bannon. Bannon runs Breitbart News, but amid all the bigotry and misogyny, he deploys researchers who dig up actual documents and facts. He then passes them on to mainstream sites like the New York Times, understanding that, say, a Hillary Clinton hit is more effective coming from the Times than Breitbart — even filtered through the Times’ MSM standards.

Bannon’s money quote:

“’What you realize hanging out with investigative reporters is that, while they may be personally liberal, they don’t let that get in the way of a good story. And if you bring them a real story built on facts, they’re f — -ing badasses, and they’re fair.’”
50   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
What happened to defending yourself?


Which commandment is that?
51   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 7:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Furthermore if she did actually marry her brother wouldn't there be more on this than way back in 2016.
52   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 7:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
FPBT says
your belifes do not constitute facts


Neither do yours. Worse, when people post actual facts, you persist in counterfactual beliefs. (Please note the correct spelling of beliefs.)


When did I say my beliefs did? When did I dispute actual facts? Sorry if my speeling doesn't meat you're stanedirds, i culd giv a phuck.
53   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 8:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here is some more from the above link

Today, Omar’s supporters are touting her latest response, and lacerating media racism. Omar IS judged differently. The bigots are more likely to provoke, and more likely to find takers in a majority-culture ignorant of how the Muslim faith works. (This also constrains us from evaluating claims based on faith.) Some is pure circumstance: Omar is from a culture of relatively recent immigrants.

But there are other media-training lessons here. Ad hominem attacks on bigots’ motives — however valid — won’t sway good reporters. Calling a source an Islamphobe or Donald Trump, Jr. may be excellent politics, but it doesn’t suffice as a response. I don’t care who gives me the tip, though I’ll try to characterize my source honestly in my story — if it runs.
54   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 8:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Second Amendment in the Constitution. You know, that document that liberals despise.

FPBT says
FortWayne says
What happened to defending yourself?


Which commandment is that?
55   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 8:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

911 showed us exactly how their faith works. Actions speak louder than words.

And this nice gem few years back
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack


FPBT says
Here is some more from the above link

Today, Omar’s supporters are touting her latest response, and lacerating media racism. Omar IS judged differently. The bigots are more likely to provoke, and more likely to find takers in a majority-culture ignorant of how the Muslim faith works. (This also constrains us from evaluating claims based on faith.) Some is pure circumstance: Omar is from a culture of relatively recent immigrants.

But there are other media-training lessons here. Ad hominem attacks on bigots’ motives — however valid — won’t sway good reporters. Calling a source an Islamphobe or Donald Trump, Jr. may be excellent politics, but it doesn’t suffice as a response. I don’t care who gives me the tip, though I’ll try to characterize my source honestly in my story — if it runs.
56   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
911 showed us exactly how their faith works. Actions speak louder than words.


For example, in the Crusades (circa. 1095 to 1270 C. E), Christians killed Muslims in the name of Jesus and Muslims killed Christians in the name of Allah. Is it not a contradiction to Christianity for a Christian to say, in effect, to a Muslim, "I love Jesus but I will kill you"? Similarly, is it not a contradiction to Islam to say, in effect, to a Christian, I love Allah but I will kill you"?

What shocks outsiders of Christianity and Islam, especially atheists and agnostics, is how could men who were dedicated to Jesus and Allah kill each other for religious purposes? No matter what moral and religious justifications may be offered for such killings, they are clearly wrong and deserve categorical and unequivocal condemnation by believers and non-believers alike.
57   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 10, 8:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
[i]s it not a contradiction to Islam to say, in effect, to a Christian, I love Allah but I will kill you"?


If you had read the Koran, you would know the answer to your question is no, it is no contradiction at all. Time and again, Islam commands Muslims to kill disbelievers and blasphemers. As an atheist, you are both a disbeliever and a blasphemer, because you assert Islam is false.

FPBT says
When did I dispute actual facts?


It is an actual fact that if you state your atheist beliefs in an officially Islamic country, e.g. KSA or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, you risk being legally executed for blasphemy. Even in an ostensibly secular country such as Bangladesh, it is an actual fact that you risk being murdered by Muslims volunteering in a vigilante Sharia patrol, killing blasphemers as per Islam. Even here, you could wind up on an Islamic State kill list, so the Muslims you want to import would be commanded to kill you. You persist in denying those facts, and denying the threat that Islam poses to you, because in your ivory tower the only Muslims you interact with are constrained by their need for your approval. Try spending some time in one of their countries, and you might learn, or literally lose your head.
58   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 10, 8:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Way to compare 1200s to 2000+.

800 years of human progress, yet Muslims still live like it’s fucking dark ages bombing America any chance they get.

You must be related to Dan, he had exact same comparisons. Dates wasn’t something he comprehended.

FPBT says
FortWayne says
911 showed us exactly how their faith works. Actions speak louder than words.


For example, in the Crusades (circa. 1095 to 1270 C. E), Christians killed Muslims in the name of Jesus and Muslims killed Christians in the name of Allah. Is it not a contradiction to Christianity for a Christian to say, in effect, to a Muslim, "I love Jesus but I will kill you"? Similarly, is it not a contradiction to Islam to say, in effect, to a Christian, I love Allah but I will kill you"?

What shocks outsiders of Christianity and Islam, especially atheists and agnostics, is how could men who were dedicated to Jesus and Allah kill each other for religious purposes? No matter what moral and religious justifications may be offered for such killings, they are clearly wrong and deserve categorical and unequivocal condemnation by believers and non-believers alike.
59   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 10, 8:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Dan


I miss Dan, who did acknowledge honestly the current differences in behavior between different religions.

FP/FPBT does not.

Also, Dan could spell, unlike FPBT:

FPBT says
a qoute?


FP could spell too, which makes me wonder what has happened.
60   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 8:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
FortWayne says
Dan


I miss Dan, who did acknowledge honestly the current differences in behavior between different religions.

FP/FPBT does not.

Also, Dan could spell, unlike FPBT:

FPBT says
a qoute?


FP could spell too, which makes me wonder what has happened.
Maybe there are others who don't fault all for the actions of some
61   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
FortWayne says
Dan


I miss Dan, who did acknowledge honestly the current differences in behavior between different religions.

FP/FPBT does not.

Also, Dan could spell, unlike FPBT:

FPBT says
a qoute?


FP could spell too, which makes me wonder what has happened.


I see you must default to personal attacks.
62   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
I miss Dan, who did acknowledge honestly the current differences in behavior between different religions.


How many American soldiers pray to God before they go into battle? How is every Iraqi killed in Iraq not killed in God we trust?
63   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Unfortunately, religious terrorism has been a reality throughout many part of the world. Catholics and Protestants have killed each other in Northern Ireland. Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslims continue to kill each other in the Holy Land. Orthodox Serbian Christians have fought Catholic Croatians and Bosnian Muslims in Yugoslavia. Hindu Sikhs have fought with Muslims in India. Muslim extremists have killed in the name of Allah in Africa and the Middle East. In short, religion can be used to justify intolerance and murder.
64   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

For example, radical Christians who gun-down abortion doctors are religious terrorists. They also commit terroristic acts in bombing abortion clinics. Such Christians "fight" for the unborn child’s right to life but they deprive the doctor of his or her right to life. They believe that all human life is sacred but they attack the doctor’s sacredness of life. However, in doing so, Christian extremists are murdering doctors.
65   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another example is radical Muslims, such as suicide bombers, believe that they are dying for Allah or God and will be rewarded by him. They believe that what they are doing is right. However, believing something does not make it so. In other words, belief does not create reality. No matter how sincere the suicide bombers’ belief (the subjective factor of the moral act) that they will be rewarded by God, their sincerity does not make the act of killing innocent human beings (the objective factor of the moral act) right. In fact, it is murder!
66   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A criticism of Right-Wing or radical Muslim terrorists should not be construed as a criticism of Islam per se, the religion to which the terrorist belongs. Of course, not all Muslims are terrorists. However, there are Muslims who justify their own beliefs by "proof-texting," that is, wrenching a religious text from its context as a pretext or cover-up to justify terrorism.

Likewise, a criticism of Right-Wing Christians should not be construed as a criticism of Christianity per se. Not all Christians are, theologically and politically, on the far Right. In the words of John Warwick Montgomery, a scholar of international law, "[I]t is hardly fair to attribute to the Christian religion acts or opinions that in fact are in direct opposition to Christ’s own teachings."
67   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 9:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just as men and women in positions of government can be morally corrupt, so can members of churches, synagogues and mosques. When that happens, their respective communities need to be purified or corrected, with a change in moral philosophy and leadership. Therefore, religion should not be the major cause of the world’s problems. Rather, it should contribute to peace on earth and good-will toward human beings (cf. Luke 2:14b).
68   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 10, 11:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Dates wasn’t something he comprehended.

When 75% of Americans identify with Christianity and Americans drop bombs on Muslim in 2000's that is not in the past. The Muslims think their killing is justified just like you feel our killing is justified. Me I think killing is wrong, just like Jesus Christ does. Heck maybe I'm more Christian than you.
69   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 11, 5:36am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Look. Human culture is like an operating system for a people to achieve harmony/civilization. Religion is a piece of that culture, but by no means the entirety of it. Case in point: atheists usually function within society with a high level of cohesion and productivity.

The only fair way to evaluate operating systems of any sort is by their effectiveness at achieving th objective: civilization.

I think it’s pretty clear that Islam is a major part of any culture it infests, and that there’s a strong correlation between majority Islam religion in a culture and backwards ineffective culture and weak civilization. The proof is in the results.
70   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 11, 8:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

How many Indonesians do we see blowing shit up? They idetify 87% as Muslim. I'm not saying Islam is a great religion what I'm saying is that all Muslims aren't bad.

When I was growing up I remember shit getting blown up in Ireland. Was that Muslims? No it wasn't. It was Catholics against Protestants. Does that mean all Catholics or all Protestants are bad?

I find it ironic when a religions states that it is wrong to kill yet people go around killing in the name of their religion weather it be Islam or Christianity.
71   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 11, 9:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When you figure a difference you let us know. Use that brain of yours.

FPBT says
curious2 says
I miss Dan, who did acknowledge honestly the current differences in behavior between different religions.


How many American soldiers pray to God before they go into battle? How is every Iraqi killed in Iraq not killed in God we trust?
72   FPBT   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 11, 9:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
When you figure a difference you let us know. Use that brain of yours.


There is no difference when one uses a religion to justify killing. It also doesn't mean all in that religion are bad because of the actions of some. Use that brain of yours.

FPBT says
For example, radical Christians who gun-down abortion doctors are religious terrorists. They also commit terroristic acts in bombing abortion clinics. Such Christians "fight" for the unborn child’s right to life but they deprive the doctor of his or her right to life. They believe that all human life is sacred but they attack the doctor’s sacredness of life. However, in doing so, Christian extremists are murdering doctors.

FPBT says
Another example is radical Muslims, such as suicide bombers, believe that they are dying for Allah or God and will be rewarded by him. They believe that what they are doing is right. However, believing something does not make it so. In other words, belief does not create reality. No matter how sincere the suicide bombers’ belief (the subjective factor of the moral act) that they will be rewarded by God, their sincerity does not make the act of killing innocent human beings (the objective factor of the moral act) right. In fact, it is murder!

FPBT says
A criticism of Right-Wing or radical Muslim terrorists should not be construed as a criticism of Islam per se, the religion to which the terrorist belongs. Of course, not all Muslims are terrorists. However, there are Muslims who justify their own beliefs by "proof-texting," that is, wrenching a religious text from its context as a pretext or cover-up to justify terrorism.

Likewise, a criticism of Right-Wing Christians should not be construed as a criticism of Christianity per se. Not all Christians are, theologically and politically, on the far Right. In the words of John Warwick Montgomery, a scholar of international law, "[I]t is hardly fair to attribute to the Christian religion acts or opinions that in fact are in direct opposition to Christ’s own teachings."
73   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 11, 10:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is she ok if her husband marries 3 other wives?
74   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 11, 12:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@TrumpCuck Sorry I had to delete a comment marked personal, because it really was personal, but have to quote this for posterity because I couldn't help laughing out loud:

If he has a Christian bone in his body, it belongs to his priest :)
75   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 11, 3:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FPBT says
How many Indonesians do we see


Hmm, just from recent memory, we saw whole Muslim families, including children, commit suicide for the sole purpose of murdering Christians, and before that there were multiple Bali bombings, probably more that I can't think of at the moment. Also, former Governor Ahok was imprisoned for blasphemy amid the rise of Islamic identity politics in Indonesia. If you are serious about equating Islam and other doctrines, you should really bring that to a Muslim country, and see what happens to you: even equating Islam with other religions is in itself blasphemy according to Islam.

Your comments comparing current Islam to other doctrines in the dark ages merely illustrate the point: Islam traps people in the dark ages.

Your comments sound like a tobacco company apologist claiming most smokers don't die from smoking. Smoking remains terrible. Here you are rooting for another smoker to get sworn into Congress, maybe protect tobacco companies from liability or even subsidize tobacco.

FPBT says
Christianity just isn't doing it for me anymore I'm going for the underdog.


If you want to become a Muslm/Nazi/smoker, I can't stop you. Maybe there is some gap that only Islamic/Nazi hatred or nicotine and tar can fill.


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