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Poor guy: his life is about to be ruined.

ThreeBays says

OCTOBER 4, 2015

Good catch. The paper must be published and reviewed by now.

"His discovery explains why none of the climate models used by the IPCC reflect the evidence of recorded temperatures. The models have failed to predict the pause in global warming which has been going on for 18 years and counting."

When I realized this was propaganda and not news or science. WHAT pause in global warming are you referencing?

Automan Empire says

When I realized this was propaganda and not news or science. WHAT pause in global warming are you referencing?

The big pause in global warming! Come on, you must know what that is. The fact that it apparently hasn't gotten any warmer in the past 18 years, or something like that. I think?

Automan Empire says

WHAT pause in global warming are you referencing?

It was a major topic in 2015, when NOAA and others revised measurement methods. Many referred to a hiatus 1998-2013. The OP references a 2015 article by David Evans, who has been accused of climate mythmaking.

Something tells me though that PatNet stands on the brink of another pointless, partisan exchange of slogans. In the USA, both major parties talk about the weather, but neither proposes doing anything about it.

Democrats propose increasing taxes to send $$$ to corrupt and backwards kleptocracies (and by extension the Clinton Foundation), but no serious scientist expects that to manage the climate. Democrats panic and get really overwrought on this topic, and in alarmist desperation PatNet saw a user pretend to be a math teacher while lying about the rules governing significant figures in order to assert a level of precision that does not exist. Ignorance and dishonesty exist in both major parties, but Democrats have a worse time with it because their pride in being smarter prevents them from seeing when they're wrong.

Most Republicans deny the existence of a warming trend, and many argue that nothing should be done about it. That is at least a cheaper position, and it works electorally because faith-based voters tend to agree that "god's in charge."

Very rarely, we see articles about research into developing effective means of managing the climate, e.g.with mirror arrays or calcium. It is important to understand why neither major party proposes funding such research: both prefer to exploit the issue, each for their own reasons, rather than addressing it. In that regard, both Democrats and Republicans deserve blame, though Democrats deny it while Republicans ignore it.

curious2 says

It is important to understand why neither major party proposes funding such research: both prefer to exploit the issue, each for their own reasons, rather than addressing it.

This isn't exactly true- Obama sought to fund climate research thru things like Green Climate Fund, USAID, Caribbean Climate Change Center- a lot of decent initiatives that have nothing to do with the Clinton Foundation. Were they all perfect? Probably not, but they were, on balance, providing a valuable resource. Trump has defunded and/or slashed the budgets of many- if not most- of these initiatives, with no alternate plan in place to deal with this issue, which is pretty disappointing.

I agree with @curious2 - "both prefer to exploit the issue, each for their own reasons, rather than addressing it"

No matter what anyone thinks, the plunging cost of solar will render the whole thing moot pretty soon.

And goddamn Power Stations beaming it down., FFS let's hop to it.

Molten Salt, Microwaved Power, Fusion Research, I'd pay $100B/year.

To create some bullshit Carbon Trading baloney or ban straws, hell no.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Molten Salt, Microwaved Power, Fusion Research, I'd pay $100B/year.

I'd like to see advancement in these areas too, BUT expect it to be administered with the seriousness and care of a Manhattan Project, not some crony pocket lining scheme like many Halliburton contracts, or money pits with nothing to show like Solyndra.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

To create some bullshit Carbon Trading baloney or ban straws, hell no.

Carbon trading "baloney" is actually a MARKET driven solution to reducing emissions, and when administered properly advances clean technology and moves it into the marketplace without stifling the smaller players in the process all without using government (tax) money. I don't believe skeptics could improve upon this or come up with a different plan that removes more pollution using less money.

"Fuck it, let's do nothing and just keep polluting!" isn't an acceptable option to many of us, but that's mostly what the opposition is selling.

Automan Empire says

Carbon trading "baloney" is actually a MARKET driven solution to reducing emissions, and when administered properly advances clean technology and moves it into the marketplace without stifling the smaller players in the process all without using government (tax) money. I

Pointless without Chindia. Impossible with.

...."He has fixed two errors and the new corrected model finds the climate’s sensitivity to carbon dioxide (CO2) is much lower than was thought.

It turns out the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has over-estimated future global warming by as much as 10 times, he says.

“Yes, CO2 has an effect, but it’s about a fifth or tenth of what the IPCC says it is. CO2 is not driving the climate; it caused less than 20 per cent of the global warming in the last few decades”.

“The model architecture was wrong,” he says. “Carbon dioxide causes only minor warming. The climate is largely driven by factors outside our control.”

STOP THE CLOCK!!!!

He's telling us that a TRACE gas in our atmosphere ISN'T responsible for the warming claimed by the "Alarmists"???...

Imagine that, we "deniers" were right all along...

Patrick says

the plunging cost of solar will render the whole thing moot pretty soon.

How well does solar work after the sun goes down to keep your A/C running?

Battery tech is also improving rapidly. Drones were not even possible until batteries go to their present power density. Expect even more improvements.

Automan Empire says

Carbon trading "baloney" is actually a MARKET driven solution to reducing emissions, and when administered properly advances clean technology and moves it into the marketplace without stifling the smaller players in the process all without using government (tax) money. I don't believe skeptics could improve upon this or come up with a different plan that removes more pollution using less money.

Forget it. Carbon trading is pointless when it's cheaper to use solar than carbon-based fuels.

The bad man in the OP isn't getting ANY more grant money!

Patrick says

Battery tech is also improving rapidly.

That's my point, without huge battery storage, solar is useless over half the day or in some places, 3/4 of the day in others. There is still a BIG need for conventional power generation EVERY night.

Everyone will need a few Tesla Powerwalls in their garage, at minimum. Who's going to pay for them?

MrMagic says

He's telling us that a TRACE gas in our atmosphere ISN'T responsible for the warming claimed by the "Alarmists"???...

Keep in mind that the 'he' you're referring to is Dr. David Evans, a widely debunked engineer (not a climate scientist) with many dubious claims and methodology...