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98% of bathrooms the sink serves as the bidet.
You do the math...
SilversSurfer says

and only the sink is in a common area?

SilversSurfer says

Seriously, what do you envision going wrong when each bathroom is an individual room and only the sink is in a common area?

Private little rooms with locks on the door? I can imagine several things. Imagine 5 loser boys hanging out in the bathroom smoking or whatever and in walks a girl to use the bathroom.

CDC recommended long ago to have gender specific bathrooms.

I guess some people these days are too ignorant and think diseases can’t get them. Accepting mental disorders as normal is clearly more important than preventing epidemics that can wipe out populations.

Typucal liberal ignorance.
SilversSurfer says

FortWayne says

CDC recommended long ago to have gender specific bathrooms.

Cooties isn't a real disease.

I'm sure the CDC said many things a long time ago that didn't pan out.

SilversSurfer says

https://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/gender-specific-bathrooms-recent-invention.htm

Critics say that unisex bathrooms will put children and women at risk for sexual harassment, molestation or rape, despite any reliable scientific evidence to support this argument.

BS. One huge issue is that being physically in the same space will make separating true from bogus accusations almost impossible. Not to mention the sanitary issue. Theres zero reason to change a successful model.

https://abc13.com/15-year-old-claims-she-was-raped-in-memphis-airport-bathroom-/3722273/

Nothing bad ever happens in public bathrooms

Another Leftist experiment. Surely this one will go better than all the other ones! Communism is flourishing. State control of speech and all human behavior has been a success.
And trannies are happier without their dangly bits!

Oh wait...

SilversSurfer says

mell says

Not to mention the sanitary issue.

What sanitary issues do you speak of? Do families at there homes have separate male and female bathrooms?

Guys pissing on the toilet seats. Much easier for a woman to get a uti. You know very well that the majority of women do not want to share a bathroom with guys and vice versa due to the long wait etc. If an establishment wants to provide separate rooms for everybody and keep them clean, or provide a 3rd or nth gender bathroom, it's their decision and burden no problem with that. To force a less successful model by gov intervention though is bullshit fringe sjw politics. Glad Obummer is out.

FortWayne says

I guess some people these days are too ignorant and think diseases can’t get them. Accepting mental disorders as normal is clearly more important than preventing epidemics that can wipe out populations.

ROFLOL. This is really too funny.

Does that mean the population of France is wiped out by epidemic since they have had unisex bathrooms pretty much forever? With the urinals in the sink area not in a stall. Gorgeous french women walk past while you piss. Works for me. At the beach they just bolt urinals to the outside of the lifeguard buildings. and whole families shower outside in the nude. Absolutely no one cares.

I had unisex bathrooms in my grade school in the 1960's. Each classroom had a bathroom that both the boys and girls used. The horror. That was in Virginia for christ sakes. Didn't see any epidemic happen. Did I miss it? What diseases are gender specific potential epidemics that aren't being spread now because of separated bathrooms?

mell says

Guys pissing on the toilet seats. Much easier for a woman to get a uti.

Only if they have sex with the toilet seat. This thread is getting better and better.

Are you acting stupid on purpose?

Does family at home have 1000’s of people go in their bathroom? Do they let homeless diseased druggies from the street use it?

Keep trolling buddy...

SilversSurfer says

mell says

Not to mention the sanitary issue.

What sanitary issues do you speak of? Do families at their homes have separate male and female bathrooms?

mmmarvel says

'no gender'

Has nothing to do with prudery or sanitation. The larger sphere is the progressive notion that gender doesn't exist, is only a social construct. Everything in education today, K-12, 13 and on, is reinterpreted within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation/all whites are racist. Another name for it is Cultural Marxism.

bob2356 says

mell says

Guys pissing on the toilet seats. Much easier for a woman to get a uti.

Only if they have sex with the toilet seat. This thread is getting better and better.

You're confusing UTIs with STDs. Hard but certainly not impossible to transmit without sex. Also there are host of other diseases, also you don't want t subject women who always have to sit down to that nastiness unnecessarily.

This is the hill the Progs want to die on?

All the Progs have to do is not be crazy and they can't even manage that.

bob2356 says

I had unisex bathrooms in my grade school in the 1960's. Each classroom had a bathroom that both the boys and girls used. The horror. That was in Virginia for christ sakes. Didn't see any epidemic happen. Did I miss it? What diseases are gender specific potential epidemics that aren't being spread now because of separated bathrooms?

Great - lets spend billions and billions of dollars we don't have from the education budget creating unisex bathrooms in every classroom so we can accommodate .01% of the population that is mentally confused about their gender. Tear down all those large bathrooms with urinals and re-plumb every public building.

THIS is the most urgent problem facing America.

Bob and his 1960’s had nothing and it was fine comments.

Society progressed, less people die due to better sanitary conditions. There isn’t a need to go through Black Plague twice just because liberals object to it. Those people already brought on aids epidemic and hepatitis recently. Ignorance there is mind boggling.

Guess what bob, diseases don’t care what liberals find offensive, these kill every one.

BlueSardine says

98% of bathrooms the sink serves as the bidet.

I have never heard that anywhere else, but please provide a link?

Meanwhile, I won't be brushing my teeth at your house, if that's how your sinks are used.

FortWayne says

CDC recommended

I have never heard anything like that. Please provide a link?

FortWayne says

epidemics that can wipe out populations.

So, if Kansas City does not get wiped out by an epidemic, will you admit you were wrong?

SilversSurfer says

Do families at their homes have separate male and female bathrooms?

I have often asked this question of people who insist on shared sex-segregated toilets. What are their houses like? Is there one, big, shared toilet room for the males, and another for the females? I have never seen a house like that in the USA, but maybe some people live in train stations.

Of course, in Reseda, the males use an outhouse out back, like god intended. The females have no bodily functions, other than childbirth, which they do in a sanitary hospital, built by god.

FortWayne says

diseased druggies from the street

...are invading elementary schools in Kansas City? How did they get in there? And your solution is to make the boys use one giant shared toilet room for boys, and the girls use a separate one for girls? What about the cafeteria, with all the buffet food exposed? Should the school divide the cafeteria in two, so they can have a separate cafeteria for the boys, and another for the girls, due to the diseased druggies from the street?

mell says

separating true from bogus accusations

Bogus accusations have always been possible, anywhere. People have been burned at the stake for witchcraft. Sending everyone into a giant, shared toilet room, segregated only by sex, does not solve the problem, nor even alleviate it.

mell says

Glad Obummer is out.

He's been out of office for more than a year. The event you complain of is happening now, in Kansas City. I don't know why you would complain anyway. It's a local decision. Even Republicans say they favor state "laboratories" trying different ideas. That is happening.

FortWayne says

Black Plague...aids epidemic and hepatitis....

Is this a new game, let's list communicable diseases that have nothing to do with whether toilets are segregated by sex? How about influenza? Will segregating toilets by sex stop influenza? River Blindness?

SilversSurfer says

Who said anything about remodeling. The OP was about new schools that were built.

My kids' school in California spent money to build some unisex bathrooms. My rich school district doesn't have enough money for school bus services or to even keep the school library open 5 days a week, but they could find money to redo some bathrooms?

Thankfully Betsy Devos rescinded the Obama era guidance instructing schools to allow children to use the bathrooms of their choice. Otherwise more and more financially struggling schools would have to once again put leftist politics in front of education.

FortWayne says

Does family at home have 1000’s of people go in their bathroom? Do they let homeless diseased druggies from the street use it?

Thousands of people and diseased druggies from the street are going to use a grade school bathroom? I didn't see that part in the article.

socal2 says

My kids' school in California spent money to build some unisex bathrooms. My rich school district doesn't have enough money for school bus services or to even keep the school library open 5 days a week, but they could find money to redo some bathrooms?

Which school was that? Care to post some articles about where and why?

curious2 says

Bogus accusations have always been possible, anywhere. People have been burned at the stake for witchcraft. Sending everyone into a giant, shared toilet room, segregated only by sex, does not solve the problem, nor even alleviate it.

It does alleviate it quite a bit if you can prove not having been in the womens restroom. Huge point. Similar to glass offices.

FortWayne says

Guess what bob, diseases don’t care what liberals find offensive, these kill every one.

Since I'm not a liberal does having a girl use the toilet before I do still offensive and will kill me or am I protected some how? ROFLOL.

socal2 says

lets spend billions and billions of dollars

may be that is the point, more money for contractors.

In principle there is nothing wrong with unisex bathrooms if they put in urinals (more space-saving than seats), but I doubt that in prudish USA they will do that. In Israel schools younger kids do have unisex bathrooms and no one seems to suffer from it.

Having said that, socal2 brings up an excellent point - why waste money for bathroom rearrangement in schools if education is underfunded according to nearly everyone? It would make sense also to poll parents in respective school districts as to what they want as they are ultimately footing the bill.

Now all these bathrooms need are complementary strap ons and racks of chewing tobacco to round out the elementary school education.

dr6B says

why waste money for bathroom rearrangement in schools if education is underfunded according to nearly everyone?

Still waiting to hear which schools wasted money rearranging. The OP was new construction.

bob2356 says

Still waiting to hear which schools wasted money rearranging. The OP was new construction.

Kansas City school district is going fully gender neutral at two new elementary schools, opening on Wednesday, as well as in a few renovated restrooms in North Kansas City High School and the sixth-grade centers.

In any case, were parents polled?

dr6B says

why waste money

California has good legislation on this point. If a single occupancy bathroom is already built, then it is now unisex. I have seen the same elsewhere, while traveling. They don't require a whole new facility; at most, managers change the signs, which costs almost nothing. Instead of different toilet rooms segregated by sex, they have only one or two, for whoever needs them.

The OP article is mainly about "two new elementary schools," i.e. new construction. It does mention "a few renovated" facilities. For new construction, or already necessary renovations, it doesn't cost much or anything to design better.

dr6B says

were parents polled?

Good question, but the ones quoted in the article seem happy about it. If any have strong feelings about it, they can comment at the PTA.

mell says

Similar to glass offices.

I hope the concern over bogus accusations will not result in glass toilet rooms.

curious2 says

Good question, but the ones quoted in the article seem happy about it.

Given that article was positive towards unisex bathroom idea, it is likely they quoted only parents who were happy.

dr6B says

that article was

...from the Kansas City Star, which has won 8 Pulitzer Prizes. AP style would require them to try to find at least two sides, if they can. Considering how many of these children share bathrooms at home with siblings of the opposite sex, most parents are probably not worried.

bob2356 says

Which school was that? Care to post some articles about where and why?

Not hard to find.


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/education/sdut-gender-neutral-restrooms-carlsbad-dearie-2015may31-htmlstory.html

Little girls should have wedgies and toilet head dunkings, too! Lord of the Flies has gone co-ed.

curious2 says

hare bathrooms at home with siblings of the opposite sex, most parents are probably not worried.

Siblings usually do not use bathrooms together and are not that interested in each other in general. If these new gender-neutral bathrooms have many stalls, kids will be using them together. If they are one-stall bathrooms, they are extremely space-inefficient and will be more expensive than usual bathrooms.

I do not have any problem with joint bathrooms (the only problems there are in heads of potential users of bathrooms), but I somehow think that relatively prudish American public will have different attitude towards those than French or Israelis. And ones who pay for bathrooms should decide everything.

dr6B says

space-inefficient

IDK who disliked that comment (and I have never disliked any of your comments), but I wonder about the space efficiency. For example, in airplanes, where space is at a premium, all toilets are unisex.

In contrast, I remember an office tower in NYC, designed as part of what I consider the war on privacy: the sex-segregated shared toilet rooms were enormous, with a few stalls and a giant common area. It was a conspicuous waste of space, despite the high cost per rentable square foot. Most of the employees worked in cubicles all day. The senior executives had private offices, each with a private washroom en suite. The design seemed to be a hazing or punishment process, so that low level employees had no privacy at all, while senior executives lived comfortably unless they were cast down to lower rank.

Single occupancy facilities are best all around, and I hope the trans/unisex issue will result in more of that. Sharing with strangers is like living in a train station: if people really preferred that, then everyone would live in train stations. Most people prefer privacy, which is why they pay extra to live in a home rather than a train station. Most people can tolerate train station facilities, but it isn't the first choice for anyone other than Larry Craig types.

dr6B says

education is underfunded

What passes for "education" is over funded by 50% when you consider the layers of bureaucracy and paper pushing.

curious2 says

mell says

Similar to glass offices.

I hope the concern over bogus accusations will not result in glass toilet rooms.

Good one! I hope so too but you never know...

P N Dr Lo R says

What passes for "education" is over funded by 50% when you consider the layers of bureaucracy and paper pushing.

It costs alot of money to pay for all the administrators and counselors pushing SJW nonsense on our children.

Single use toilets with lock-able doors have been around forever. I had an office with a single bathroom, unisex, with a single toilet, sink etc. and a door that could be locked. Nobody ever complained.

Multiple open stalls and urinals in a public access bathroom without a locking private door are a different matter.

Ceffer says

Single use toilets with lock-able doors have been around forever. I had an office with a single bathroom, unisex, with a single toilet, sink etc. and a door that could be locked. Nobody ever complained.

That should be the standard. The giant communal facilities don't really save space. They don't usually save time either, except in rare circumstances like a stadium where a huge number of people are on exactly the same schedule.

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curious2 says

BlueSardine says

98% of bathrooms the sink serves as the bidet.

I have never heard that anywhere else, but please provide a link?

Meanwhile, I won't be brushing my teeth at your house, if that's how your sinks are used.

SilversSurfer says

BlueSardine says

98% of bathrooms the sink serves as the bidet.

Maybe in India. I've never seen a sink used as a bidet in the US.