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Steve Jobs: does being a successful CEO outweigh being a terrible person?

By Quigley follow Quigley   2018 Aug 27, 9:11am 3,347 views   46 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


So his daughter’s book is out and it’s less than flattering. He comes across as neglectful and abusive. She and her mom lived on welfare for a long time until Jobs was finally forced to cough up child support. Nice that we could pay for a billionaire’s progeny. I guess the neighbors felt sorry for her and put her through college? Lots more.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/memoir-steve-jobs-apos-daughter-133000491.html

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7   BayArea   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 27, 8:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Nice loving family fellows don’t change the world in tech.

Neurotic, obsessive, cut-throat, asshole-types do.
8   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Aug 27, 8:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
This is why Rin is the greatest


Some would call you a hero
9   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 8:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
In his personal life, he doesn't date anyone, he only fuck hoes. And thus, no illegitimate child and no 'Lisa' stories.


Quick question. If you go out for dinner, who do you go out with?
10   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 27, 8:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't know if it outweights, but it has no bearing on one another that is for sure.
11   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 8:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
Nice loving family fellows don’t change the world in tech.

Neurotic, obsessive, cut-throat, asshole-types do.


That's the best part of the human race. We have a huge variety of characters, which keeps the human race progressing.
Sadly, some of the most dangerous ones are those who would not hesitate to cause incredible harm, are the ones we should eliminate right away....Hitlers, Kims, Lenin's, Muhammad's, and other lunatics.
12   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 27, 8:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Rin says
In his personal life, he doesn't date anyone, he only fuck hoes. And thus, no illegitimate child and no 'Lisa' stories.


Quick question. If you go out for dinner, who do you go out with?


With Rin. because he's the one. He doesn't lie, he doesn't try to embellish his life because he's the truth! Rin is the one!

If I want to have dinner with a liar, I'd just hire someone from the producer's club of the Kardashians.

Otherwise, I'd have dinner with anyone.
13   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 8:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
Strategist says
Rin says
In his personal life, he doesn't date anyone, he only fuck hoes. And thus, no illegitimate child and no 'Lisa' stories.


Quick question. If you go out for dinner, who do you go out with?


With Rin. because he's the one. He doesn't lie, he doesn't try to embellish his life because he's the truth! Rin is the one!

If I want to have dinner with a liar, I'd just hire someone from the producer's club of the Kardashians.

Otherwise, I'd have dinner with anyone.


LOL. Nice answer.
14   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 27, 8:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
In steve Job's case, it's a definite YES.
His incredible success in changing the world simply dwarfs his negatives. Unusually successful people have a lot of weirdness built into them.


I don't understand the Steve Jobs myth. Steve Jobs is the most overrated person on the planet. Apple was a bit player in the computer industry until the Ipod which was 25 years after the company was founded. Atari, commodore 64, and Radio shack all outsold apple by a ton, never mind IBM pc's which just buried apple. The lisa was a loser that almost took the company down. The Job's Next machine was a failure flat out. The original mac almost took the company down also, Once the Mac started production Jobs cut off all development and support for the Apple II which was the bread and butter for the company.. . Wozniak left over that. The Iphone was just an upgraded Apple/Motorola ROKR phone apple was already selling. The ipod was the only real Steve Jobs winner and his contribution was the wheel interface instead of the existing menu interfaces of other players. What incredible success? So much hype. .
15   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 27, 8:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Strategist says
In steve Job's case, it's a definite YES.
His incredible success in changing the world simply dwarfs his negatives. Unusually successful people have a lot of weirdness built into them.


I don't understand the Steve Jobs myth. Steve Jobs is the most overrated person on the planet. Apple was a bit player in the computer industry until the Ipod which was 25 years after the company was founded. Atari, commodore 64, and Radio shack all outsold apple by a ton, never mind IBM pc's which just buried apple. The lisa was a loser that almost took the company down. The Next machine was a failure flat out. The original mac almost took the company down also, Once the Mac started production Jobs cut off all development and support for the Apple II which was the bread and butter for the company.. . Wozniak left over that. The Iphone was just an upgraded Apple/Motorola ROKR phone apple ...


What incredible success?
AAPL he left when he was done, his legacy, the iphone, the ipad, the ipod, the app store, etc...

If it was so easy, how come no one else did it?
16   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2018 Aug 27, 8:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Jobs?

Please.

A real honest to god psycho would shoot people who displeased him at the office and order everyone to let the body rot.
17   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2018 Aug 27, 9:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

I don't understand the Steve Jobs myth. Steve Jobs is the most overrated person on the planet. Apple was a bit player in the computer industry until the Ipod which was 25 years after the company was founded. Atari, commodore 64, and Radio shack all outsold apple by a ton, never mind IBM pc's which just buried apple. The lisa was a loser that almost took the company down. The Job's Next machine was a failure flat out. The original mac almost took the company down also, Once the Mac started production Jobs cut off all development and support for the Apple II which was the bread and butter for the company.. . Wozniak left over that. The Iphone was just an upgraded Apple/Motorola ROKR phone apple was already selling. The ipod was the only real Steve Jobs winner and his contribution was the wheel interface instead of the existing menu interfaces of other players. What incredible success? So much hype. .


This post is 100% correct, and each sentence more correct than the one previous.

Nobody remembers Tramiel, but he was THE first microcomputer pioneer who is now forgotten.
18   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 9:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Strategist says
In steve Job's case, it's a definite YES.
His incredible success in changing the world simply dwarfs his negatives. Unusually successful people have a lot of weirdness built into them.


I don't understand the Steve Jobs myth. Steve Jobs is the most overrated person on the planet. Apple was a bit player in the computer industry until the Ipod which was 25 years after the company was founded. Atari, commodore 64, and Radio shack all outsold apple by a ton, never mind IBM pc's which just buried apple.

IBM PC's were junk. Commodore 64, Atari, and Radio Shack are history. WTF are you trying to prove here? That Apple is a loser because some companies had higher sales? What's wrong with you?


FortWayne says
The lisa was a loser that almost took the company down. The Next machine was a failure flat out. The original mac almost took the company down also, Once the Mac started production Jobs cut off all development and support for the Apple II which was the bread and butter for the company.. . Wozniak left over that.

Irrelevant. Who cares is Wozniak left. That makes the iPhone a failure? You think successful entrepreneurs, scientists, Noble Prize winners never had failures? Have you seen how many times babies fail to walk, before they learn to walk?


bob2356 says
The Iphone was just an upgraded Apple/Motorola ROKR phone apple was already selling. The ipod was the only real Steve Jobs winner and his contribution was the wheel interface instead of the existing menu interfaces of other players. What incredible success? So much hype. .

Oh stop it. The iPhone replaced countless products into one. With a countess more to go.
19   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 9:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
I don't understand the Steve Jobs myth. Steve Jobs is the most overrated person on the planet. Apple was a bit player in the computer industry until the Ipod which was 25 years after the company was founded. Atari, commodore 64, and Radio shack all outsold apple by a ton, never mind IBM pc's which just buried apple. The lisa was a loser that almost took the company down. The Job's Next machine was a failure flat out. The original mac almost took the company down also, Once the Mac started production Jobs cut off all development and support for the Apple II which was the bread and butter for the company.. . Wozniak left over that. The Iphone was just an upgraded Apple/Motorola ROKR phone apple was already selling. The ipod was the only real Steve Jobs winner and his contribution was the wheel interface instead of the existing menu interfaces of other players. What incredible success? So much hype. .


He created Apple. A company that in so many cases dragged the computer industry forward. The mac had a user interface way in advance of its age. It took decades for Microsoft to catch up.
When apple bought Next and he became CEO, Apple had maybe a few months of liquidity in front of it. They were destined to join the multitudes of carcasses the SV is littered with. Apple was basically dead.
It took a sequence of virtually perfect moves to bring it out of this kind of death spiral... And not just that, but to the point where Apple is now the most valuable company on this planet.
Yes, I know they are not perfect. They are expensive and irritating. But take a HP laptop and compare it to a Macbook build. There is just no comparison.
Jobs achieved all this - in an age of gold diggers - by producing objects that are incredibly beautiful and also incredibly useful. There are simply no other that came close. Certainly not the Gates, Zucks, Ellison, etc...

Say what you want about the guy. He was a jerk. Fine. No one chooses to be autistic or a sociopath.
But his record speaks for itself.
20   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 9:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Nobody remembers Tramiel, but he was THE first microcomputer pioneer who is now forgotten.

Exactly. Everyone remembers Apple. Why do think?
21   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 9:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
What incredible success?
AAPL he left when he was done, his legacy, the iphone, the ipad, the ipod, the app store, etc...

If it was so easy, how come no one else did it?


It was Job's vision, and his vision only, that led to the incredible success of Apple, which resulted in it being the most valued company in the history of mankind.
American entrepreneurship at it's best. Apple is worth more than the fucking GDP of Commie country Russia. LOL.
If Apple was a country, it would easily conquer Russia, a loser wannabe Superpower.
22   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 27, 9:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says

He created Apple. A company that in so many cases dragged the computer industry forward. The mac had a user interface way in advance of its age. It took decades for Microsoft to catch up.
When apple bought Next and he became CEO, Apple had maybe a few months of liquidity in front of it. They were destined to join the multitudes of carcasses the SV is littered with. Apple was basically dead.
It took a sequence of virtually perfect moves to bring it out of this kind of death spiral... And not just that, but to the point where Apple is now the most valuable company on this planet.


Jobs put apple into a death spiral in the first place. Apple sucked wind playing with bankruptcy off and on for 25 years with Jobs at the helm for 16 of them. They didn't make any real increase with in sales which were below 10 billion dollars from 1977 until 2005/2006 then took off with the ipod. Where was all that genius the first 30 years? Microsoft didn't need to catch up they were outselling apple 100 to 1. The Ipod was the winner with the Iphone (not a jobs product) following on that made apple. One big winner product in 40 years to me is hype.
23   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 27, 9:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

As it is with presidents, people need to stop sucking the cock of one person. Jobs is nothing without a field of engineers and the like. By the iPhone years I'd be surprised if he had a hand in hiring any of them. If you want to give him credit for ideas, fine. Implementing them and hiring the talent for those ideas wasn't all him. I don't mind him as he's helped put a computer in the palm of my hand. That said, he didn't do it by himself.
24   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 10:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Jobs put apple into a death spiral in the first place. Apple sucked wind playing with bankruptcy off and on for 25 years with Jobs at the helm for 16 of them.


Every tech company, especially "chimps" (meaning not "gorillas"), were always playing with bankruptcy. Do you know any other startup from 1980 that is still around? And Jobs was not even around while Apple was sinking because of failed strategies like no modern OS, inferior processors, trying to foster a clone industry for their bread and butter.
Look, whatever.
Jobs was never perfect and clearly flawed. But Apple is now the most valuable company. Whatever your definition of success, he clearly left his mark.
25   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 10:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Jobs is nothing without a field of engineers and the like

Naturally, but there are many companies that have fields of engineers and only 1 company went from death spiral to most valuable by producing beautiful and useful objects.
26   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 27, 10:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Where was all that genius the first 30 years? Microsoft didn't need to catch up they were outselling apple 100 to 1.

Microsoft inherited a monopoly situation from a charity deal from IBM allowing them to resell the "quick and dirty OS" that they had bought from a bum from $50K and licensed by IBM as the heart of its new personal computer strategy. Plain luck, with incredibly poor technology.

The genius was fully necessary just to survive against IBM: Remind us which other computer company not doing PCs survived? 0. None. Zilp.
27   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (6)   2018 Aug 27, 11:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Rin says
In his personal life, he doesn't date anyone, he only fuck hoes. And thus, no illegitimate child and no 'Lisa' stories.


Quick question. If you go out for dinner, who do you go out with?


His right hand, probably. Unless he's lefty.
28   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 28, 9:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
One big winner product in 40 years to me is hype.


Ha ha ha. You mean.....the greatest gadget ever created in the history of mankind.
Steve Job's death was the greatest loss ever to mankind. I will miss the unimaginable products he may have created if he was still alive.
29   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 28, 9:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Steve Jobs was a loser. He had all that money and power, and didn't even keep naked women shackled in his office for his random pleasures.
30   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 28, 9:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Jobs put apple into a death spiral in the first place. Apple sucked wind playing with bankruptcy off and on for 25 years with Jobs at the helm for 16 of them. They didn't make any real increase with in sales which were below 10 billion dollars from 1977 until 2005/2006 then took off with the ipod. Where was all that genius the first 30 years?


So what? Have you seen a horse race? The winner is the one who crosses the finish line first. Who leads before that is irrelevant.
31   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 28, 9:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Steve Job's death was the greatest loss ever to mankind. I will miss the unimaginable products he may have created if he was still alive.


I will politely disagree if you're talking about the iPhone. There are other products and inventions that are FAR better then the iPhone. I own the X and love it. So no bias here. But it was coming either way, with or without Jobs. This is the way of life. And there's no iPhone without a shitload of other inventions previously by far more influential people in the grand scheme of history.
32   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 28, 9:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
FortWayne says
The lisa was a loser that almost took the company down. The Next machine was a failure flat out. The original mac almost took the company down also, Once the Mac started production Jobs cut off all development and support for the Apple II which was the bread and butter for the company.. . Wozniak left over that.

Irrelevant. Who cares is Wozniak left. That makes the iPhone a failure? You think successful entrepreneurs, scientists, Noble Prize winners never had failures? Have you seen how many times babies fail to walk, before they learn to walk?


must be a bug on quotes. This wasn't me who said that.
33   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 28, 9:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
must be a bug on quotes. This wasn't me who said that.


It was Bob who said that. This happens when you partially quote.
34   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 28, 11:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
He also ripped off the guy who did the real work, Boz.

I knew that Jobs didn't write all his own songs. Scaggs should have gotten more credit!
35   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 28, 12:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
They didn't make any real increase with in sales which were below 10 billion dollars from 1977 until 2005/2006 then took off with the ipod. Where was all that genius the first 30 years?

That was when Apple's vertical integration story finally paid off. During the transition to digital music, the tight integration between the Mac, iTunes, the iPod, and, eventually, the iPhone made for a better user experience.
iPhone sales continue to increase but there was a slight fall off in iPads and Macs this past year. Will be interesting to see if users continue to pay a hardware premium for the "superior" cloud/smartphone experience.
36   KgK one   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 28, 12:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

JOBS isnt here to defend himself.

We dont know if mother was bitch and fed her daughter lies. Women when they break up , tend to make men look bad. Claim cheating,hitting , uses drugs.... to show they were good but it was man's fault.

35% women r on mental medication. So lot of hallucinations occur. Another 35% on borderline but not officially diagnosed. Remaining 30% only go crazy 3-5 days a month during period.

As for taking care of his daughter, he was trying to making living which pays for all , so he might not had enough time. Men work 25% more than women, but they only make 3% more in pay.
37   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Aug 28, 12:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
It was Bob who said that.


Bob was also the guy who's greatest retort was "There's no London University, it's University of London, Bahahahahahahahaha!"

What a genius!

FYI ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_London

Excerpt: "Established in 1826 as London University by founders inspired by the radical ideas of Jeremy Bentham, UCL was the first university institution to be established in London, and the first in England to be entirely secular and to admit students regardless of their religion. UCL also makes the contested claims of being the third-oldest university in England and the first to admit women. In 1836 UCL became one of the two founding colleges of the University of London, which was granted a royal charter in the same year."
38   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Aug 27, 5:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Apple is going strong, huge legacy.

Loved his phrase about staying hungry. Life lesson in it.
39   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Aug 27, 5:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

1) Jobs was overrated.
2) It is the worship of people like him by the ignorant that prove that a 'Reputation Economy' (the kind depicted in Sci Fi, not the bullshit buzzword kind in op-eds) would be a disaster.

Memetic proof!

40   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2019 Aug 27, 6:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Speaking of cults and religions, the closest thing to a programming language bible.
41   komputodo   ignore (2)   2019 Aug 27, 7:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

why does it matter?
42   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 Aug 27, 7:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
He created Apple. A company that in so many cases dragged the computer industry forward. The mac had a user interface way in advance of its age. It took decades for Microsoft to catch up.


Commodore put the computer in massive numbers of homes from Fresno to France to Finland to Fermanagh, only dumb overpaying Ed Admins and the odd NPR listener brought the Apple II.

The Amiga had a vastly superior and more popular GEOS, Lisa was a joke and nobody owned one.
43   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 Aug 27, 7:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Apple II was three times as expensive as my car.

I bought a Kaypro 2 on time, instead, for work.

CP/M - now that's an operating system.
44   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Aug 27, 8:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Amiga had a vastly superior and more popular GEOS, Lisa was a joke and nobody owned one.

Amiga 3000 could actually run AmigaOS, MAC OS, and Windows 3.1 simultaneously in 3 separate windows. I still have an Amiga 2000 with the Video Toaster packed away.
45   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2019 Aug 27, 8:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

He wasn't a Succesful CEO, he drove Apple into the ground. He lucked out when Microsoft dropped the ball on building a low powered hand held computing device.
Every single bit of technology that was in the ipod and iphone had already been made by Microsoft and Rio.

Microsoft was trying to hard to fit the desktop start button and navigation along with the contextual menus into the CE units.
Apple was operating in the hole, so it created a slick design for an over glorified MP3 player and people had to have it.


Then they were able to follow up with iPhone. The iPhone was an exact realization of Bill Gates 2000 Comdex Keynote presentation, on his vision for the future of Windows DNA
fabric and the Internet.

But at Comdex in recent years, the PC has taken a back seat to the host of other products people are using these days to get connected. And a glance through this year's exhibitor list shows that the trend is continuing.

Although Gates did use the keynote to demonstrate some of Microsoft's latest PC-related software, including an upcoming version of Office and a prototype of a "tablet PC," his address centered on the changes that are taking place in the industry.

"We're at a very key transition point," Gates said. "There are going to be lots of devices, but a new model that makes them work together. It is going to require an architecture approach that is different than what we have today."


https://money.cnn.com/2000/11/13/technology/comdex_gates/
46   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 Aug 27, 8:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
Apple was operating in the hole, so it created a slick design for an over glorified MP3 player and people had to have it.


Yep, I literally never got why that was such a big deal. "Iconic White earphones"?

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