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PatNet Stock Challenge

By WookieMan following x   2018 Aug 30, 7:37pm 1,167 views   26 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


So if Pat is cool with it, we're going to do some gambling with access to PatNet. At a minimum, if you lose, hold up your end of the bargain and don't make comments (more to be said later).

Now what's the deal and what I'm getting at. For simplicity sake, we're picking stocks for pure appreciation/growth. The time frame is short. 9/10, which is a Monday. So opening price that morning is your starting point. And the opening price Wed, Jan 2nd, 2019 is the end. So we're talking a couple of months.

There will be a winner that gets nothing, frankly. The loser though is either blocked for a month (if Patrick can do that or wants to) or they can have integrity and will ban themselves for a month. Picks are due by 9/10 opening bell.

Anyone game to play?
1   Automan Empire   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 30, 7:42pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says


There will be a winner that gets nothing, frankly. The loser though is either blocked for a month


So no upside and all downside potential?

K sign me right up!
2   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 30, 7:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
WookieMan says


There will be a winner that gets nothing, frankly. The loser though is either blocked for a month


So no upside and all downside potential?

K sign me right up!


It’s a random forum. Not sure what upside you could expect. Just a fun game. You don’t have to play.
3   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Aug 30, 9:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wookie you bought a stock Wednesday morning for 3.17 that closed at 4.08 on Thursday.

30% in one day. Nobody will bother to try and beat that
4   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Aug 30, 9:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Wookie you bought a stock Wednesday morning for 3.17 that closed at 4.08 on Thursday.

30% in one day. Nobody will bother to try and beat that


Exactly!!

That $91 he made on his 100 shares he bought will allow him to retire 10 years earlier.

WINNING!!!

Close Thread.
5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 30, 9:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
The loser though is either blocked for a month


How about instead of blocking anyone, we simply list the rankings of the people who are playing.

It's enough reward and punishment right there.
6   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 30, 9:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I propose a portfolio of 5 tickers (stock, etf, mutual fund)
7   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 31, 4:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
WookieMan says
The loser though is either blocked for a month


How about instead of blocking anyone, we simply list the rankings of the people who are playing.

It's enough reward and punishment right there.


I suppose you're right and goes against what you're trying to do here. Just hoping to get certain people that never make picks, but criticize others all the time about their picks to put something on the line. But yes, if 20 people do it, the bottom 5 aren't going to look very good.

BayArea says
I propose a portfolio of 5 tickers (stock, etf, mutual fund)


I don't mind that idea, but at some point, most men (sorry to any PatNet women) will put money on an individual stock in their lives. The 5 pick idea is kind of what most people end up doing with their retirement funds and, well, that's no fun for this game. Not a bad idea though either. Maybe have everyone do both. One pick they think is going to the moon quick. And then the blended mix like you mention.
8   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 31, 4:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
That $91 he made on his 100 shares he bought will allow him to retire 10 years earlier.


Lol. 100 shares. If you think 100 shares is what I believe to be losable money, it's making more sense why you've never made a stock pick. You can put more then two zeros on a number FYI, which I did to give you some perspective.

I made more money in one day sitting on my ass then most humans on this planet do in a day, so I guess, that's, not winning? I'm also mid 30's, so yeah, compounding. This pick just bought my wife and I a $6-7k vacation when we're 50 after another 15-20 years of growth, with money that wasn't there on Monday. Lol. #losingIguess?

MrMagic says
Close Thread.


Fortunately you don't get to decide this. I think I came up with a good, fun game we can all play on patnet. Just make a pick. Don't even have to put money into the market. There's nothing to lose. Hell, my pick could be the worst and I'd own it.

One thing I won't do is attack other users about their picks. I'd maybe ask a question as to why they made that pick and try to get some more insight into what people are thinking about the market.
9   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Aug 31, 6:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
I propose a portfolio of 5 tickers (stock, etf, mutual fund)


Actually, the number of tickers really doesn’t matter. Any paper competitions usually use 100k and participants can distribute it however they please. Fully invested, partially invested, and weighted differently.

Personally in my own ETF I’ve made for Cannabis retirement, i go from ~6 to 12 tickers at any given time. You have to rebalance, just like an ETF, you just set your own rules
10   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Aug 31, 6:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wookie, I’m pretty sure there’s website that host stock market competition for free. I remember doing something like that back in high school. Computers were in their infancy, and stocks traded by 1/8’s fractions instead of .01 and .001 pennies and portions of pennies

That would take all the work out of tracking picks here.

The only problem might be if the competition sites confine you to the Daq and NYSE or if it includes OTC and foriegn ADR’s
11   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Aug 31, 6:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
MrMagic says
That $91 he made on his 100 shares he bought will allow him to retire 10 years earlier.


Lol. 100 shares. If you think 100 shares is what I believe to be losable money, it's making more sense why you've never made a stock pick. You can put more then two zeros on a number FYI, which I did to give you some perspective.

I made more money in one day sitting on my ass then most humans on this planet do in a day, so I guess, that's, not winning? I'm also mid 30's, so yeah, compounding. This pick just bought my wife and I a $6-7k vacation when we're 50 after another 15-20 years of growth, with money that wasn't there on Monday. Lol. #losingIguess?

MrMagic says
Close Thread.


Fortunately you don't get to decide this. I think I came up with a good, fun game we can all play on patne...


CVSI UP snother 10%

Are you going to sell and lock in your profits, or ride it up to a double?
12   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 2, 5:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says

CVSI UP snother 10%

Are you going to sell and lock in your profits, or ride it up to a double?


Going to let it ride for now. I’ll probably sell initial investment if it doubles and just keep house money in it and see where it goes. Don’t have the time to actively trade and watch everyday. And if somehow it crashes, oh well. It’s happened before and I knew what I was getting into.

Thanks for the tip again.
13   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 2, 5:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I want to play. Let’s share investment advice.

We all live once, if we make money, we all win.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 2, 6:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If I could easily get a feed of even daily closing prices (doesn't have to be real-time at all) then I could add some database fields for which users picked which stocks and how they are doing with that.

But where can you get that feed without paying for it? Scraping another site could get me in trouble.
15   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 3, 7:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I am not a short term player. I used to be before the dot com crash , then lost all the spectacular gains I made and then some!
I got out a bit ago and have a ton of cash, bought two decent rentals and put some work in-cash flow properties-keep the mortgage for the tax break.

Market went up way more than I thought it would-but hey-my profits are locked in. 401k doing great. I think we are due a 20-30% correction , but lets see. At this time, I took a small positon in Ensco -an oil driller-it went down far more than I thought it would-holding on to it. But staying out for a while.

Still have soems tocks that I picked for yield/dividend and with massive appreciation and dividend increases doing great on those. Those I will simply hold- these I picked around the 2009-2011 period - Chase, Abbot (and its spinoff Abbvie) , Johnson and Johnson, Ford and American airlines. Most of these are in my non 401k account and so I don't want to sell as I would have to pay capital gains -both state and federal and at this point, already have surplus cash I don't know what to do with. Funny, I bought these as investment stocks and these are my biggest wealth generators-the ones I bought for investment/turnover-modest returns!
16   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 3, 8:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just adding, AA was a risk pick, but due to massive appreciation I am keeping it as a long term. Following my post dotcom debacle, just careful, have long term picks vs short term. Short term-you win some, you lose some-you never know and with low margins, dififcult to recover. I think you have to know your nature, be disclipined, be nimble and quick and on your toes. I make modest gaisn and stick to profit goals. For me long term strategy has bene best. Especially dividend yileders.

Though one of my friends has bene in GE for ever and lost a ton of money-finally got out at 15. So every strategy has its risk-I guess if you know how it si going to turn out, everybody would be Warren Buffett. One or two stocks making geat gains and boasting about it is fun-but consistent over decades is difficult.

Even with my long term picks that I bought purely for yield/safety-I am relaly tempted tos ell, but just odn't know what to do-everything seems bloated right now.
17   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 3, 10:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Pets.com

18   HEYYOU   ignore (23)   2018 Sep 3, 10:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What's the best price to buy beef on the hoof at the Stock sale?
I can't eat paper. ;-)
19   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 3, 5:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
one of my friends has bene in GE for ever and lost a ton of money-finally got out at 15


GM hasn't been as low as 15 for as long as I can see on Yahoo Finance (since 2010 at least).

It's currently at 36.
20   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 4, 8:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
One or two stocks making geat gains and boasting about it is fun-but consistent over decades is difficult.


For sure. It's not a great strategy for long term wealth, but you can hit the grand slam once in a while.

I can't talk about users, but there is/are a couple users here that tend to bash a pick that other users here make. They'll wait until the stock has hit a bump in the road or crash and say that the pick was shit. Yet ignore certain time frames of massive gains, where the user that made the pick may have sold. It's garbage behavior. Not you, but some here need to make a pick or STFU commenting on threads where someone has made a pick.

Stock picks aren't all going to be winners like you said, but shitting on someone when they lose money is human garbage behavior. (again, not saying you're shitting on others for picks since I quoted you).
21   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 4, 9:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
lostand confused says
one of my friends has bene in GE for ever and lost a ton of money-finally got out at 15


GM hasn't been as low as 15 for as long as I can see on Yahoo Finance (since 2010 at least).

It's currently at 36.


GE not GM :)
23   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 4, 9:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Wookie, I’m pretty sure there’s website that host stock market competition for free. I remember doing something like that back in high school. Computers were in their infancy, and stocks traded by 1/8’s fractions instead of .01 and .001 pennies and portions of pennies

That would take all the work out of tracking picks here.

The only problem might be if the competition sites confine you to the Daq and NYSE or if it includes OTC and foriegn ADR’s


There's a site I found that sounds similar. Makes you register, so I'd use a burner account for registration if people are interested.

I've set up a contest that's ready to go, but don't want to waste the time if people won't play. I know someone that won't.

Here's the link. If a few people register I'll create a thread here for this on it's own to try and get more people. But don't want to sink much time into this for 2 or 3 interested people. I think 25 people is the max for free.

https://www.howthemarketworks.com/register/127550
24   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 4, 9:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
They'll wait until the stock has hit a bump in the road or crash and say that the pick was shit. Yet ignore certain time frames of massive gains, where the user that made the pick may have sold. It's garbage behavior. Not you, but some here need to make a pick or STFU commenting on threads where someone has made a pick.


Yup. I don't -I have made massive mistakes, lost everything and then some when I was very, very aggressive in the run up tot he dot com crash and the follow up. Reason evaporated and it was like some primal instinct took over and I was so sure, no matter how much I was losing.

Basically what I am saying is I discovered I don't have the disclipine for short term trades-just me. I get in, get out and then I lose my mind and my losses pile up. Some people do. I tried many things-even meditation, but when things don't go my way instead of agreeing the market, i ried to fight it and lost!.

The long term strategy works for me. I didn't even start long term, I bought them and decided I didn't want to play these stocks-going in, jumping out, jumping back in. I just stayed put and surprise, surprise, I made more money then I ever have. I still keep some money aside-but just haven't learn to control and be sane short term.

For others it is different-so to each his own.
25   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 4, 9:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
GE not GM :)


Doh! I'll try to read more slowly.
26   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 4, 10:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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