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17 years ago the longest burning building fire in history started.

By Onvacation following x   2018 Sep 10, 9:15pm 1,677 views   58 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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1   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 10, 9:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Wrong video before.

David Chandler is one of many credible analysts that question the official story. This video shows the obvious explosion of a steel framed building with concrete floors. The concrete disentegrates in midair. The fleet of dump trucks hauled away twisted and melted steel beams, not chunks of concrete.

Whether you are a paid sockpuppet or a brainwashed trolI I ask that you argue the evidence presented in the video, but you won't.

Anyone who hasn't seen this video should watch it. " From the people who brought you 911"
2   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 10, 11:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Startin' to look good for the conspiracy theorists that controlled demolitions were involved.
3   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 12, 7:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


17 years ago a fleet of trucks started hauling debris away from ground zero. The fires burned for months.
4   epitaph   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The majority of people globally accept that the buildings were demolished, only in North America and parts of Europe do people believe that the damage sustained is what caused them to fall.
5   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 9:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So, I've asked this before. Let's examine this thesis of explosion.

First question--do you believe planes flew into the towers?
6   epitaph   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 9:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Of course planes flew into the towers. Is this a conspiracy about the black box not turning up?
7   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 9:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

epitaph says
Of course planes flew into the towers. Is this a conspiracy about the black box not turning up?


Nope--if everyone agrees that planes did fly into the towers, then next question is does everyone agree it was Al Qaeda?
8   epitaph   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 9:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's where all explanations diverge.
9   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 12, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
does everyone agree it was Al Qaeda?

Next. Does everyone believe that 3 towers fell from fire?
That's the official story: 3 towers fell from fire which weakened these steel framed buildings after 2 airplanes flew into them.

Only on one day in history did steel framed buildings collapse from fire; 9/11/2001.

Open your eyes and look at the evidence!
10   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says

Next. Does everyone believe that 3 towers fell from fire?
That's the official story: 3 towers fell from fire which weakened these steel framed buildings after 2 airplanes flew into them.

Only on one day in history did steel framed buildings collapse from fire; 9/11/2001.

Open your eyes and look at the evidence!


So is that a yes or no? Do you believe Al Qaeda flew the planes into the towers?
11   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 11:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Science should solve this issue, not politics, philosophy, or religion.
Why do Liberals hate science?
12   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 12:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Only on one day in history did steel framed buildings collapse from fire


You clearly know nothing about steel framed buildings or construction in general. Why do you think sprayed on fire "proofing" or wrapping steel in FC drywall is required in high rise steel framed structures?

There was an interesting picture I was shown when I first entered the construction field of a burned building with a steel beam in the shape of a horseshoe hanging on a charred but structurally intact wood beam. Steel rapidly loses its strength and deforms under load when heated. Jet fuel tends to quite hot when it burns.
13   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 12, 2:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
concrete disentegrates


The concrete disintegrates (note spelling) because it is getting crushed by the impact from the floors above.

The towers had two distinct types of structural components, like a letter H. The vertical steel columns supported the load of each building. The horizontal concrete and steel floors distributed the load of each floor, and provided lateral support to prevent the vertical steel from buckling. In the fire, the steel anchors that connected the floors to the outer columns failed catastrophically. As a result, the horizontal floors fell, and eventually pulled down the vertical columns.

In the video, you can see dark grey jets of dust (including pulverized concrete) blowing out some of the windows. That tells you where the collapsing concrete floors are: basically the front end of a vertical avalanche, exerting tremendous downward force. The tail end of the avalanche follows, i.e. the vertical steel getting pulled down amid the cloud of dust. Note that the dust included many different materials, with different masses; in the context of a collapsing tower, they accelerate at different rates and follow a range of trajectories.
14   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 12, 4:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpCuck says

People who believe in one conspiracy theory almost always believe in multiple conspiracy theories: 9/11 conspiracy, climate change

Don't forget Kennedy, the original "conspiracy theory". That magic bullet always had a crooked arm look to it.
15   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 6:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Note that the dust included many different materials, with different masses; in the context of a collapsing tower, they accelerate at different rates and follow a range of trajectories.

Are you saying the concrete floors turned to dust mid air after falling a couple of floors? The towers, all three of them, fell at near free fall, as if there were no structure below it.
16   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 6:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
Onvacation says
Only on one day in history did steel framed buildings collapse from fire


You clearly know nothing about steel framed buildings or construction in general. Why do you think sprayed on fire "proofing" or wrapping steel in FC drywall is required in high rise steel framed structures?

Please link to a steel tower collapsing from fire. And then watch the video linked above.
17   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 13, 6:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
Steel rapidly loses its strength and deforms under load when heated. Jet fuel tends to quite hot when it burns.

Can you speculate how the steel burned for three months? It was the longest building fire in history.
18   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 13, 6:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Can you speculate how the steel burned for three months? It was the longest building fire in history.


Do you think it was Al Qaeda that flew the planes into the towers?
20   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 13, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says

Do you think it was Al Qaeda that flew the planes into the towers?


So, is that a yes or a no?
21   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 13, 10:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
then next question is does everyone agree it was Al Qaeda?


What or who is Al Qaeda?
22   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 13, 10:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Science should solve this issue, not politics, philosophy, or religion.
Why do Liberals hate science?


You misspelled Republicans

Why do they hate Science?
24   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 6:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
does everyone agree it was Al Qaeda?

Isn't that why we invaded Iraq?

Anyone that looks at the evidence, over three months of fire in the rubble of the demolished buildings for instance, is willfully ignorant, covering for the perpetrators, or suffering from cognitive dissonance.
25   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 6:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Isn't that why we invaded Iraq?

Anyone that looks at the evidence, over three months of fire in the rubble of the demolished buildings for instance, is willfully ignorant, covering for the perpetrators, or suffering from cognitive dissonance.


Is that a yes or no?
26   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 7:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Is that a yes or no?

You tell me. Do you believe fires can cause steel framed buildings to collapse ?
27   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 7:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
You tell me. Do you believe fires can cause steel framed buildings to collapse ?


So you're unable to answer?

Let me ask again in case you've forgotten:

Do you believe it was Al Qaeda that flew the planes into the towers?
28   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It would take months and hundreds of workers to rig these 2 buildings to blow up. Yet no one saw a thing? Not a single cable or thermite explosive rig?

What's the purpose of blowing them up anyway? Flying commercial airliners into the WTC was shocking enough and the immediate impacts and fires were responsible for most of the death. America would have been just as outraged if the buildings didn't implode.......especially if Flight 93 managed to hit its target in DC.
29   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 11:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Not a single cable or thermite explosive rig?

Unburned thermite and iron microspheres (product of thermite combustion) WERE found in the wtc dust.
Can anyone explain why the 3 wtc towers were the only three steel framed towers to ever collapse from fire? Or why the rubble pile burned for more than three months?
30   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 11:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

What's the purpose of blowing them up anyway?

Shock and awe. It also socialized the demolition costs.
31   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Can anyone explain why the 3 wtc towers were the only three steel framed towers to ever collapse from fire? Or why the rubble pile burned for more than three months?


Can you tell me whether you think it was Al Qaeda that flew the planes into the towers?

Why won't you answer that simple question? What is your motive for avoiding such a simple question?
32   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 11:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
What is your motive for avoiding such a simple question?

I don't think you're stupid.
I try to avoid trolls and sockpuppets that don't believe what they're saying.
33   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says

I don't think you're stupid.
I try to avoid trolls and sockpuppets that don't believe what they're saying.


What don't I believe? I'm asking a question.
34   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 11:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Are you saying the concrete floors turned to dust mid air after falling a couple of floors?


They were crushed by impact: a falling avalanche crushing everything below. At the moment of getting crushed, each floor had the support of the structure below, but the force of the impact exceeded the strength of the structure.

Onvacation says
Please link to a steel tower collapsing from fire.


https://www.quora.com/How-many-steel-buildings-have-collapsed-from-fire-besides-WTC
35   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 12:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
They were crushed by impact: a falling avalanche crushing everything below. At the moment of getting crushed, each floor had the support of the structure below, but the force of the impact exceeded the strength of the structure.

If that were true the buildings, all three, would not have come down at near free fall. The impacts would have turned the upper sections kinetic energy into sound and demolishing energy but the collapse never slowed down until nothing was left but a pile of twisted steel and debris that burned for over 3 months and millions of gallons of water before the fire was put out.
curious2 says

Onvacation says
Please link to a steel tower collapsing from fire.


https://www.quora.com/How-many-steel-buildings-have-collapsed-from-fire-besides-WTC

Thanks. I am glad you found that article. It shows that no tower has ever fell at freefall and then burned for more than three months. They even gave lip service to when the bomber flew into the Empire State Building.
Typically the tower fire burns out of control for many hours and then partially collapses. A plane crash and fires alone don't create the pile of debris that burned for more than three months that we called ground zero. Towers burn and partially collapse. They don't completely collapse and then burn.
36   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 14, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
They were crushed by impact: a falling avalanche

I appreciate your opinion. Have you watched David Chandler's video linked above? Are you aware of wtc building 7?

Sometimes I wish I had never seen the evidence. I used to be a patriotic American who believed in "The News". Ignorance is bliss. But if we ignore the truth dystopia will tighten its grip.
37   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 14, 12:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Towers burn and partially collapse. They don't completely collapse and then burn.


When you say "They," you are referring to towers that have not been hit by a Boeing 767 with at least 10 floors above the impact point. When 10 floors of WTC come down like a hammer, they crush with overwhelming force.

Onvacation says
Have you watched David Chandler's video linked above? Are you aware of wtc building 7?


Yes, yes, and I am through wasting time with your questions and your indirect defense of Islamic terrorists by trying to shift the blame for what happened. The evidence is very clear: Muslims decided to strike terror into the enemies of Allah, as per Islam, including Koran 8:12 and 9:5. They hijacked airliners, flew them into buildings, and caused the buildings to collapse.
38   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 7:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Looks like one more ignorant person has left the argument. Ignore really does work.

The facts are that no steel framed tower has EVER collapsed due to fire and the WTC center continued burning for more than three months after it exploded. Like i said before
Onvacation says
Anyone that looks at the evidence, over three months of fire in the rubble of the demolished buildings for instance, is willfully ignorant, covering for the perpetrators, or suffering from cognitive dissonance.
39   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 15, 8:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So, can you then answer the question?

Do you believe Al Qaeda flew the planes into the towers?
40   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 15, 8:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says

Do you believe Al Qaeda


Collapse? Or explosion?

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