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The Argument for Drug Legalization


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2018 Sep 21, 1:36pm   3,468 views  11 comments

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From Denninger:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234223

You cannot stop drugs from being produced and used by arresting people. All you can do, in the end, is create a violent subculture and illegal marketplace, powered by people shooting one another because they can't sue over their disputes.

The solution is to legalize and regulate all of it, from weed onward. For weed and its derivatives this means a liquor-store like system, much as some states have now. For hard drugs it means selling them in pharmacies over the counter to anyone who can prove they're 21, properly labeled and regulated as to purity and strength -- and to have medical outreach on the streets and available to provide support and intervention for those who want treatment.

It's easy to be skeptical of the idea of a van rolling around with a psychologist and medical workers in it, providing needles but insisting they be used on-the-spot and returned (so as to prevent what you have in San Francisco), along with handing out methadone on a daily basis to those who want to try to get and stay clean and -- in the meantime -- remain productive in society. But what do we have now? Tens of thousands of people dying, streets littered with used (and dangerous) needles and junkies defecating on the street, never mind dealers shooting one another over territorial and payment disputes.

Getting off our high horse and facing reality is a better option and the only way we're going to stop this epidemic.

I think this is the only rational conclusion. Prohibition has been tried and is tried now, has not worked, so will not work in future. Trying to do the same over and over and expecting a different result is insanity.

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1   Bd6r   2018 Sep 21, 2:08pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
The argument is this: once Limitless tons of drugs are available to those who are prone to addiction, the faster they will die, and the faster they will leave the gene pool, and the faster the master race will rise from the mud and take to the stars and exploiting every stom in the universe for Maximum profit and then find God and strangle him to death, exactly as the founding fathers of commanded.

Another argument: druggies are GODLESS! SUBHUMANS! and need to be incarcerated so they do not pollute our streets with their presence. As soon as all drug addicts are in maximum security penitentiaries and are used up for target practice by HEROES! in BLUE!, paradise on Earth will commence, exactly as SESSIONS!, PENCE!, TRUMP!, and other Founding Fathers commanded.
2   Bd6r   2018 Sep 21, 2:16pm  

*FIFY*
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
find God and strangle him to death ON PAY-PER VIEW, exactly as the founding fathers of commanded.
3   bob2356   2018 Sep 21, 2:28pm  

dr6B says
Prohibition has been tried and is tried now, has not worked, so will not work in future.


As long as prohibition gives the god and guns crowd hard dicks and gets the politicians pandering to them reelected whether it works or not doesn't matter.
4   Bd6r   2018 Sep 21, 2:43pm  

bob2356 says
As long as prohibition gives the god and guns crowd hard dicks and gets the politicians pandering to them reelected

That's secondary, I think. Primary is Pharmaceutical industry, police, prison guards and their unions, and for-profit prison industry.
5   NuttBoxer   2018 Sep 28, 10:14am  

Legalization of all drugs is gaining momentum worldwide. I think we could see it in our lifetime.
6   Ceffer   2018 Sep 28, 11:00am  

Sure, legalize and provide free at government expense all drugs of abuse in government operated facilities.

However, the ticket price is going to be triage, registration and voluntary surrender of some civil liberties so as not to imperil the non-addicted majority. Addicts/drunks aren't going to be able to operate machinery or drive cars impaired. Many professions will be out of bounds to them if they use. They will only have a certain number and kind of jobs that they can perform. They will have to agree to rigid identification protocols and maybe gps monitoring, and only be allowed limited access to the spaces occupied by the non-addicted. Their access to medical attention and resuscitation will have to be limited. Also, their use by the legal profession as professional clients will have to be limited as well. Their reproductive lives will have to be curtailed i.e. preferably no children, or children taken to sober foster care environments.

There is the minor issue of families watching their (previous) loved ones flushed down the toilet to become segregated, dying drug zombies in hordes. For some reason, the families don't accept this too well.

Certificates of sobriety can be issued after two years of monitored clean time with recovery, and the recovered can re-enter society monitored for drug use, with their previous civil liberties scaled back in with sober time. Any drug use for medical reasons needs to be supervised by trained doctors and personnel.

A large segment of addicts will refuse to do anything that prevents them from doing what they want and going where they want and parasitizing society in various ways. With them it will continue to be apprehend, incarcerate, punish, rinse, repeat.

The ultra-libby attitude is that impaired individuals are just lovable fruitcakes who can stop any time they want, and don't endanger themselves or others. For this kind of delusionist, there is no cure.
7   Bd6r   2018 Sep 28, 12:38pm  

Ceffer says
Of course, there is the minor issue of families watching their (previous) loved ones flushed down the toilet to become segregated, dying drug zombies in hordes. For some reason, the families don't accept this too well.

I don't think this will be different from what is happening now. If anything, teenagers will use less drugs as legality will take away the "teenage rebellion" patina.
8   Bd6r   2018 Sep 28, 4:04pm  

Aphroman says
Cannabis usage is a gateway out of hard drugs

I did not think about cannabis this way, but it makes sense. If it is cheap, legal, gets you high, and has nearly no side effects, then why do hard drugs?
9   MisterLefty   2018 Sep 29, 4:08am  

I believe Big Gubberment is against recreational drugs for a number of reasons. History for sure, but the anti-recreational drug sentiments from days gone by are based upon ignorance, unfounded beliefs, repressive religions, and superstition. But it is hard to break with tradition. Slave owners want their possessions in top cotton producing shape, and industry also likely influenced the anti-drug policy. Basically, industrialists want to restrict personal freedom to increase returns and their own wealth. And then gubberment bureaucrats who carry out the will of those pulling the strings. Cops are just drones who will crack heads for any reason on the books.
10   lostand confused   2018 Sep 29, 4:38am  

Perhaps decrminilization? Like alcohol so one can say you can't dwi, do it in public with other people etc. But otherwise yes, it should be legalized.

But the police state will never allow it. How many billions goes tot he DEA, police, jails, seizure of assets on bogus drug charges etc etc. This happens in many dem jursidictions-green/money is one color.

I think govt does not oppose it-but it is a very lucrative industry-arresting people, ruining their lives, running families and amking sure they never get off their feet . The prison industrial complex is worth billions.

Look at what they are doing to kavanaugh-how many millions are pouring into it-metoo is going to be an industry and if not curbed, will grow to be a on demand rape accuser industry when you want to take someone down-Avenatti and gang rapes-can you even imagine something like this 10-15 years ago?

When something becomes entrenchend and a money generating amchine, hard to stop it-all that swamp will fight back.

Republicans are finally showing spine and will fight back-that fool flake-ina way the fBI will give them cover.

But on drugs, billions and billions of drugs go into incarceration, alwyers -prosecutors and defense-construction, prison unions , DEA etc etc. I think 50% or more of all federal prisoners are drug relatred. That industry is not going down without a fight-they know theya re evil and exist to destroy people's lives-they don't care.
11   Ceffer   2018 Sep 29, 12:57pm  

lostand confused says
I think 50% or more of all federal prisoners are drug relatred.

I have heard more like 85 percent, if you consider criminals intoxicated/impaired while doing crimes, or committing crimes for the purpose of obtaining/selling drugs or maintaining addiction, or addicts just committing crimes of all kinds that they wouldn't commit if sober.
Perhaps the Fed crimes involve more instances of white collar embezzling, fraud, corporate crime etc. However, surprising numbers of these also have perps that have drug/alcohol problems.

If you want to finger a gateway drug (I am not sure there is any such thing since case by case can be so different) nicotine would be a good candidate. It is estimated that 40 percent of smokers are also in some progression toward alcoholism, and that as many as 60 percent display drug/alcohol poly-abuse. It's probably more a commentary that nicotine use demonstrates a general fuck you/fuck me attitude amongst the users, since even children know that tobacco is eventually harmful.

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