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Ideas for defeating internet censorship

By Patrick following x   2018 Sep 22, 9:52pm 508 views   35 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Now that we are in a climate of overt corporate censorship, and many sites are being deliberately made hard to find or silenced for political reasons, it is important to find new ways to speak freely, outside of the control of our owners.

One idea is to use, say, photo sharing sites to host images which do not seem special, but which contain perhaps 1K of text encoded within them. Of course the readers would need to know which images and how to decode them, and this info would eventually get back to the site, which would then delete the images.

Another idea is to create a parallel "dark web" over sftp, so that transfers would still be encrypted, but no SSL certificate would be required, and so there would be no way to revoke the certificate. I have been thinking that an http/sftp combo server might be just the thing. You'd always make requests to your localhost, like http://127.0.0.1/some/path, and a local web server would relay that to an sftp client which would get the data and send it back to the browser. A nice feature of this is that everyone who ran one of these servers could also serve a cache of the data it retrieved, so it would really be peer-to-peer. And the content could be in html as usual, so nothing special would be required to create content.

But then:
1. How would you search for things?
2. How would you eliminate spam in the search results?

Please post more ideas.
1   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 10:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There's blockstack on top of which you could build a general search engine (currently you can search for users to connect through apps) and there are already decentralized search engines such as presearch. It's a matter of adoption to give the leftist/globalist/cultural-marxist internet censors serious competition.
2   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 10:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Challenge accepted. I am inclined to adopt cartel / mafia tactics but will ruminate for a more elegant set of solutions. Sorry, not a networker or frequent coder so I can't be of much use in that aspect.

I think that using their own tactics against them and parallel systems will certainly be elements in the final solution this thread will converge upon. What I absolutely do not recommend is any do-what-they-do-but-better approach, given the asymmetry of the situation. My copy of AoW is stowed away in storage, but that may be a good source for ideas. Maybe the other you or one of the other regulars have other bodies of work to draw upon? I personally like TRIZ but that is more of a source for solving physical problems, not emotional ones. Anyways, TRIZ may be of use for your code-/network- based solutions.
3   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 10:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What are AoW and TRIZ?
5   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 10:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another interesting idea: send yourself a payment with Etherium or Bitcoin and include a message to get the message added to all the blockchains. This has been used in China to evade their censorship.

It's pretty high-latency and low-bandwidth, however.
6   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 12:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I was talking to a friend about the problem of getting a server to change its response somehow after you make a request of it. This could be a channel of communication.

He pointed out that cached items are returned quickly, and non-cached items are not. So, you could communicate with someone else over, say, Google's servers by hitting some obscure search, which would be somewhat slow the first time you hit it, and faster for subsequent hits because of caching. So another user could essentially "read" a bit of information by doing that same search and noting how quick the answer is.

It's only statistical, but with enough redundancy, it could be pretty reliable, and a significant amount of data could be transmitted that way, at least enough to compose something like a Tweet. Going to work on this idea.
7   tox   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 1:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://mainframe.com?
8   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 23, 2:51pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

We should not make Patrick.net a Free Speech site?
9   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 4:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tox says
https://mainframe.com?


Thanks, that was interesting:

https://mainframe.docsend.com/view/j39qpui

I worry that it's too complex, and too under the control of a commercial organization.
10   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 9:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Great quote from the Freenet site:

You cannot guarantee freedom of speech and enforce copyright law.


https://freenetproject.org/pages/about.html

Maybe I should just join Freenet somehow if they have been helpful so far in thwarting censorship online.
11   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 7:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Aphroman, If you've got something constructive to say, it's very welcome. But if you just want to insult other users or the whole site, it's not welcome.
12   doik   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:23am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Ideas for defeating internet censorship


TOR
13   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 24, 9:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, TOR is the best current solution. I like the FTP P2P idea. Getting off the ISP’s should also be a consideration, that’s where censorship starts. A wireless or satellite P2P ISP might solve this.
14   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@Aphroman, If you've got something constructive to say, it's very welcome. But if you just want to insult other users or the whole site, it's not welcome.


I’m an American. USA. Didn’t know that suggesting Patrick.net revert to a Free Speech site was an insult. My apologies, I’ll self censor from now on. No moar Free Speech!!
15   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 25, 6:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol, it's even possible to use the moon to communicate:

The development of communication satellites in the 1960s made this technique obsolete. However radio amateurs took up EME communication as a hobby; the first amateur radio moonbounce communication took place in 1953, and amateurs worldwide still use the technique.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth–Moon–Earth_communication

Would require more equipment than most people have the time or money to deal with though.
16   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 25, 6:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What are some of the things that are being censored from the internet?
18   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 25, 7:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Aphroman says
What are some of the things that are being censored from the internet?


@Aphroman Glad you asked!

Start here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/conservative-pufascism-in-action-here-is-the-tech-giant-purge-list-of-prominent-conservative-websitesrge-list/


Top conservative Facebook pages with daily traffic in the millions have seen 75% to 95% drop in traffic.
Young Cons, Western Journalism, SarahPalin.com, Independent Journal Review, Right Wing News, and several others have seen dramatic loss in traffic.


I just typed in youngcons.com and sarahpalin.com. They both still, work it seems that is disinformation that they are being censored
19   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 25, 7:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How many hours per day do the Trumpcucks spend on those dipshit sites like SarahPalin.com?

Are they really just fronts for Religious Conservatives to find other gays, and child molestors to congregate? Why not just go to church on Sunday like the rest of them?

I’m sure there’s some very valuable information on those websites LMAO
20   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 26, 10:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
They both still, work it seems that is disinformation that they are being censored


As usual, the false Right/Left paradigm conquers and divides so the real censorship can continue right under our nose.

If the internet isn't censored, why do we have TOR? And then there's the founder calling for a bill of rights to combat censorship:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/28/tim-berners-lee-internet-bill-of-rights-greater-privacy
21   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 2, 9:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I've been thinking some more about defeating Google and Facebook censorship, and concluded that plain text is actually the best format:

* being small, text can slip through cracks that images and videos cannot
* text is easier to hide in photos (steganography)
* text is much faster to transmit than any other form
* text is much easier to archive: a single terabyte drive may well be able to hold all the words ever written
* government trackers cannot be hidden in it, so it's hard to prove you or anyone else read it
* malware cannot be propagated by it
* it does not need a browser (we should assume all browsers have been corrupted by the NSA=Google etc)
22   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 10:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The text idea has an elegance to it. I also think targeting kids with improved development in critical thinking is another strategy, though that one takes time. Items such as this one:

Memes have also been an effective tool, as they have humor, elements or truth, are somewhat rebellious, and are digested quickly. In a presentation I watched the other day, the emphasis on more information faster was given. Effective memes convey the message, and I am sure they certainly helped Trump get elected.
23   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 2, 10:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I can’t wait to hear all these awesome and important things that are so edgy that they are being censored

How about yous get on with it and spill the beans here at Patnet. Patrick seems like he wouldn’t censor it
24   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 2, 10:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

steverbeaver says
The text idea has an elegance to it. I also think targeting kids with improved development in critical thinking is another strategy, though that one takes time. Items such as this one:

Memes have also been an effective tool, as they have humor, elements or truth, are somewhat rebellious, and are digested quickly. In a presentation I watched the other day, the emphasis on more information faster was given. Effective memes convey the message, and I am sure they certainly helped Trump get elected.


That ultimate cheat sheet is so overly wordy, all it could possibly do is stymie any critical thought. I prefer to keep it simple

Don’t trust people. Trust their incentives
25   bob2356   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 2, 10:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says

Don’t trust people. Trust their incentives


Make is simpler still. Follow the money.
26   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 10:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        


Here is a good example, though a little racist (there is that rebelliousness). Funny with elements of truth, rebelliousness and is digested quickly. You have to remember that the next crop of voters is always only a few years away.
27   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 10:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I agree with both Aphroman and bob. Follow the incentives and money. And yes, I agree that compacting that wall of text into something easier to remember would be good.
28   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 2, 10:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

steverbeaver says

Here is a good example, though a little racist (there is that rebelliousness). Funny with elements of truth, rebelliousness and is digested quickly. You have to remember that the next crop of voters is always only a few years away.


It’s refreshing to see a right winger be honest about their disdain for blacks. Of the maybe dozen right wingers that post here, ~ half of them refer to blacks as niggers

But as @Patrick continues to claim, racism doesn’t even exist. But if it did, whites are the least racist people on the planet. Except for liberals, they’re very racist against chinks when it comes to allowing them into our universities (even though we’re literally at economic war with China)

Bizarro World
29   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 10:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Where does that say disdain for blacks. Serious question only. That is you projecting.
30   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 10:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
We should not make Patrick.net a Free Speech site?
31   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 2, 11:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

steverbeaver says
Where does that say disdain for blacks. Serious question only. That is you projecting.


What does when you kill nigs mean? You’ll have to excuse me I graduated HS in the 90’s

Nigs is short for niggers, no?
32   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 11:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Correct. But it is no longer constrained to specifically, only apply to blacks.
33   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 3, 12:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bitchute is a great alternative to Youtube. I think you can guess how it works.
34   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 3, 7:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

steverbeaver says
I also think targeting kids with improved development in critical thinking is another strategy, though that one takes time.


I would totally love teaching critical thinking skills to kids, but there are two strong forces that are in determined opposition to that:

1. businesses, which want "obedience school" to create the next generation of workeres who do what they are told without questioning it
2. teachers, who do have the practical problem of keeping a large group of kids under control; the last thing they want is kids questioning what they are told

So the emphasis all through elementary school is on obedience above all else.

But it is a good game to slip mistakes into lessons and ask the kids to find the mistakes. This does get them thinking critically, and gets them to pay attention a bit more, especially if they know, say, there is one clear mistake on each slide.
35   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 3, 7:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
bitchute is a great alternative to Youtube


I like it too, and plan to use it more, but what happens when YouTube manages to get a takedown notice issued against the bitchute.com domain?




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