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Top CERN Scientist Suspended for Presentation That Argued There Is No Sexism in Physics

By MockingbirdKiller following x   2018 Oct 1, 3:09pm 407 views   26 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


CERN suspended theorist Alessandro Strumia on Monday after he gave a presentation at a conference about gender in high energy physics that argued "physics is not sexist against women."

Last Friday, Alessandro Strumia, a research associate at CERN, gave a talk at the conference that was later described as a “Damore-esque manifesto against women in STEM” by Jessica Wade, a physicist at Imperial College London widely known for her efforts to increase diversity in scientific fields. The reference is to James Damore, a senior software engineer who was fired from Google last year after he circulated a memo that argued men were biologically better suited to software development.

In a copy of Strumia’s presentation seen by Motherboard, Strumia frames his presentation as an effort to get to the bottom of the “mainstream” and “conservative” positions about gender equality in physics and science more generally. Strumia framed his presentation as an attempt to “use data to see what is right.”

A number of slides show what Strumia described as data about the percentage of women in different fields, sexism in citations, sexism at conferences, and gender asymmetry in hirings. These data items conflict with a number of other studies that point to rampant discrimination in STEM, however. For example, a study published earlier this year by Pew Research found that nearly half of women in STEM say sexual harassment is a problem and that they have experienced some form of discrimination.


https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a38jjz/head-cern-scientist-suspended-for-presentation-that-argued-there-is-no-sexism-in-physics

1   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 4:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It’s the gender gap at high intelligence. Women tend to max out before getting to the truly astounding genius that is rarely but sometimes seen in males. Physics and mathematics have the starkest gender gap because they draw the brightest minds with the greatest challenges. Men have the super geniuses. Women can be extremely smart but 1)don’t usually choose such cerebral studies, 2)are nearly unrepresented in the super genius level of intelligence.

My own theory is that a certain cluster of genes on the Y chromosome are responsible for “super charging” a portion of spacial and abstract thinking. Those males who carry that gene will pass it to their male progeny but not female. Breeding with a highly intelligent female would practically ensure a super genius boy may emerge from the pairing.
2   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 1, 4:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The poor dude thought he could just lay out facts and be ok.
3   MockingbirdKiller   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 4:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
The poor dude thought he could just lay out facts and be ok.


Hahahahahahahah!

At least he didn't get accused of rape.
4   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 1, 4:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Female physicists blow cities up by accident, then cry and claim female privilege.
5   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 4:31pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I read an article today. They are now going for Nobel Prizes claiming gender disparity there.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1227759/nobel-prizes-still-struggle-with-wide-gender-disparity.html

I teach AP Physics. Anyone that has knows that there is no intelligence gap. Girls are just more interested in pursuing different fields. I've taught plenty of girls who could run academic circles around anyone. One even went to Princeton to study Mech E. She was arguably the best physics student in the state. She opted to major in Biology two years later. They just aren't that interested in pursuing it further.

Now, as far as discrimination. It's horse shit. They roll out the red carpet for girls willing to take Physics. Even a mediocre GPA in undergrad will get you into a Harvard/MIT Physics PhD program. They are also the first to be hired and climb the ladder faster than anyone. If this type of environment still exists, I'm going to force my daughter to double major. She can choose whatever she wants to, but she must also do Physics. It's a golden ticket to permanent employment and a decent six figure salary.

Now would I ever say this out in the open under my own name? Fuck no. I'll be fired on the spot.
7   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 4:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lol, his final slide:

Data consistent with Standard Model: no new S2 symmetry in Nature.

Physics is not sexist against women. However truth does not matter, because
it’s part of a political battle coming from outside. Not clear who will win.

PS: many told me “don’t speak, it’s dangerous”. As a student, I wrote that
weak-scale SUSY is not right, and I survived. Hope to see you again.
8   MockingbirdKiller   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 6:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
Now would I ever say this out in the open under my own name? Fuck no. I'll be fired on the spot.
Words for all of us to live by.
9   MockingbirdKiller   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 6:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
I found his slides from his talk
What? Google hasn't deleted them yet? Those things are hate speech!
10   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 1, 6:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MockingbirdKiller says
Heraclitusstudent says
The poor dude thought he could just lay out facts and be ok.


Hahahahahahahah!

At least he didn't get accused of rape.


Just wait. The insane left will accuse everyone who crosses them. It's a matter of time
11   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 7:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, very much like James Damore.

The lust for money and power motivates these bogus accusations. If enough gullible people can be convinced that witches exist, witch hunters can make a nice living, and use their power to dispose of everyone who tries to tell the truth.
12   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 1, 7:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MockingbirdKiller says
Google hasn't deleted them yet?


Google is not the only search engine.
13   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 7:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Anyone that has knows that there is no intelligence gap. Girls are just more interested in pursuing different fields.

Absolutely correct, but I would even say that women are smarter and actually have physically larger brains. But as you say, most women seem not to care about intellectual matters or even if anyone knows they are smart. I say take a group of high intellect women, put them in a room and tell them no shopping or cunnilingus until they figure out string theory. We would have the answers in a week.
14   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (34)   2018 Oct 2, 7:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
put them in a room and tell them no shopping or cunnilingus until they figure out string theory. We would have the answers in a week.


Are you positing that EATING! PUSSY! and only EATING! PUSSY! CAN! UNLOCK! THE! SECRETS! OF! THE! UNIVERSE! ?
15   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 2, 5:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You gotta feel for him. He tried to statistically prove that women are not biased in citation references as they are equally likely to be cited. He also showed that they were hired more frequently with less citations meaning that Physics is overly friendly to them. I bet half the people involved in ostracizing him have a bumper sticker that says "Facts matter"
16   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 2, 5:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They had to fire all the female physicists at the Linear Accelerator at Stanford, because they kept wanting to put bends, side tracks and backtracks on it. They also kept putting kitten stickers on the magnets.
17   Reality   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 2, 7:32pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
She can choose whatever she wants to, but she must also do Physics. It's a golden ticket to permanent employment and a decent six figure salary.


It's not clear how long this nonsense will last. I wouldn't bet my daughter's life plan and her long-term happiness on it. See, here's the problem: being a top CEO or cutting edge physicist (winning recognition akin to Nobel but at younger age), etc. etc. "champion" behavior makes a guy happy: because he gets to win extra pussies and extra reproductive opportunities from time immemorial. That's why it's always the male apes and male monkeys that drag a can around making a lot of noise. There is no such biological reward for a female monkey, or female ape, or female human: her reproductive potential is capped by her own time/space inside her womb. In fact, not pursuing high-stress careers actually increases her chances of reproductive success! That's precisely why our ancestors out-competed the Neanderthals (the Neanderthals did have their females join hunts and wars, whereas our ancestors CroMags were sexists and excluded girls from such high risk endeavors); how ironic, the real Neanderthals were actually more "equalists" and went extinct because of it!


theoakman says
Anyone that has knows that there is no intelligence gap.


There being no intelligence gap in the general population average doesn't mean there being no gap in the extremes: 97+% of the homeless are men. It's quite conceivable that at the bottom end of the IQ spectrum, men out-number women by 30-to-1. However, at the other end of the spectrum, for population having 120+ IQ (about top 10% of population), men out-number women by about 2-to-1. When the bar is raised to 170+ IQ (i.e. top 0.01% in IQ, 1 out of 10,000), men out number women by 30-to-1 ! That's where we find top shelf geniuses ("genius" starts at about IQ 140, cut off for top 3%), as well as mathematical geniuses with Autistic spectrum disorder, which afflict men 5 times as frequently as it does women! The 5-to-1 gender ratio is remarkably close to the IQ-140 line, where genius start to show.

What mechanism could account for such an outcome? The answer might be in our X-chromosome. X-chromosome carries 11 times as many genes as Y-chromosome (about 800 vs. 70). Each man has one X, whereas each woman carries two different X's (which get randomly picked for activation gene site by gene site in each of her cell, so the result is essentially an averaging of the two X's). So if a man is born with a lucky genius X-chromosome from his mom (he never gets it from his dad), he has extremely high probability of being a genius (i.e. so long as nothing too awful happening to him); whereas for a woman, she needs two copies of genius X-chromosomes to be a genius after averaging the two. Given that genius genes are rare by definition, it's much less likely to have two lucky tickets than one lucky ticket. The same goes for unlucky tickets, therefore far more dumb men at the bottom of the barrels than there are women at the bottom of the barrel, which is a good thing, as most women historically became mothers and had to care for their children, whereas the bottom of the barrel men usually didn't become fathers.

So what does all of this mean? Men are almost guaranteed to be over-represented in jobs that require a genius. OTOH, women are extremely important in producing geniuses! Only the mother's X-chromosome is passed to a son. Diverting smart women from reproducing literally kills the genius genes in the gene pool! Also, if you ever build an empire, don't pass it to your son, but to your grandson from one of your daughters! That likely explains why historical royal blood lines all resorted to in-breeding: it was actually the daughters that were carrying the genes but their sons exposing/manifesting the specific X-chromosome for pruning; of course, the daughters catch (outside) exceptionally good X-chromosomes by reproducing with her "hero" (via their daughter as a carrier, then manifest again in grandson). Extraordinary intelligence is essentially a semi-recessive (group of) gene in woman (clobbered by the statistical likelihood of the other X being average), but dominant in a man (because his Y-chromosome is a rump).
18   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 2, 8:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reality says
That's why it's always the male apes and male monkeys that drag a can around making a lot of noise. There is no such biological reward for a female monkey, or female ape, or female human: her reproductive potential is capped by her own time/space inside her womb. In fact, not pursuing high-stress careers actually increases her chances of reproductive success!


@Reality thanks very much for the excellent write up! I think that's all true.

BTW, the Jewish law which regards only the children of female Jews as "inherently" Jewish may well reflect some insight that intelligence is largely passed to children on the X chromosome.
19   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 2, 8:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reality says
theoakman says
She can choose whatever she wants to, but she must also do Physics. It's a golden ticket to permanent employment and a decent six figure salary.


It's not clear how long this nonsense will last. I wouldn't bet my daughter's life plan and her long-term happiness on it. See, here's the problem: being a top CEO or cutting edge physicist (winning recognition akin to Nobel but at younger age), etc. etc. "champion" behavior makes a guy happy: because he gets to win extra pussies and extra reproductive opportunities from time immemorial. That's why it's always the male apes and male monkeys that drag a can around making a lot of noise. There is no such biological reward for a female monkey, or female ape, or female human: her reproductive potential is capped by her own time/space inside her womb. In fact, not pursuing high-stress careers actually increases her chances of reproductive s...


That's why I said double major. She can study something that she's truly passionate about but have that as a safety net. The reality is, if she's anything like me or my wife, she's going that route as we both hold multiple degrees in Physics and Chemistry. With regards to intelligence gap, I'm referring about the ability to do Physics. You have to be smart, but you don't have to be a genius. These are two entirely different things. The fact remains, an average GPA female physicists is destined for a lucrative career by default in this climate.
20   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 3, 7:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BTW, the Jewish law which regards only the children of female Jews as "inherently" Jewish may well reflect some insight that intelligence is largely passed to children on the X chromosome.

I do not think the ancients had such sophistication in that area. I think the real reason is that you can be sure who the mother is, but not always the father. The Powhatan empire had the same inheritance rights where the next ruler was the eldest son of the current ruler's sister. You could never know for sure if the son of the current ruler was really the ruler's kid, and not the product of tepee creeping.
21   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 3, 7:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I knew there was a reason I was attracted to smart women and wound up marrying one. My daughters are above average but my son is probably genius territory.
22   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 3, 7:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I knew there was a reason I was attracted to smart women and wound up marrying one. My daughters are above average but my son is probably genius territory.


So what are you saying, that you have to deal with being the dummy in your household? I know what that is like, brother!
23   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 3, 8:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Conflicts with lefts current propaganda that must not be questioned by us peasants.
24   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 3, 9:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Conflicts with lefts current propaganda that must not be questioned by us peasants.


The election of Trump is to a large degree a revolt against the left's main misrepresent-and-shame tactic exposed by James Damore at Google.

Damore got fired himself, which is the normal reaction by the intolerant left, but he did get his message out much more effectively because of it. I'm grateful to him for that.
25   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 4, 12:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
BTW, the Jewish law which regards only the children of female Jews as "inherently" Jewish may well reflect some insight that intelligence is largely passed to children on the X chromosome.


Interestingly, the founders of the Ashkenazi Gene trace back to 4 European Females... so maybe the Jews are smart because of a bunch of genius Italian Ladies!
26   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Oct 4, 6:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Those Godless cretins can cannibalize each other and eat a huge stew pot of Liberal Creeps for all I care.

They give formal ceremonies to hail Satan, not very nice or decent people.




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