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The best case against Trump

By CBOEtrader following x   2018 Oct 7, 9:58am 1,438 views   228 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I want to hear why a clear thinking adult would be anti-Trump.

What is your most well-reasoned anti-Trump argument? If you think he's a liar, please post the video. Or if you disagree with legislation he pioneered or executive orders, please post a link and reasoning.

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161   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 9, 6:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trumpcucks: the media is biased! This is horrible that private corporations have Free Speech

Also Trumpcucks: The Supreme Court is very biased and politically motivated just as the Founding Fathers commanded. This is good because Government is supposed to impose Allahs will


Feckless twerps think just because they are so easily manipulated and that because they are simple enough to let the media drag them around by their chain, that everyone elses suffers from such loss of agency. It’s pathetic
162   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 9, 6:52pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I cant even follow what or who aphro is attempting to parody.
163   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 9, 6:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
As an Independent


ROTFLMAO
164   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 9, 6:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
Aphroman says
As an Independent


ROTFLMAO


What’s so funny about being an Independent?
165   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 9, 7:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Is turnabout suddenly NOT fair play?


I don't remember the Republicans, the Media, Big Tech, and all Academia trying to say Obama wasn't a real President, that his election was hacked by Russia, and that he was an actual fascist supported only by Racists.


Again, all the Forces of Influence in this country said in October 2016 that Trump and his supporters have to accept the election results, then spent the next two years "explaining" how he allegedly colluded with Putin to take over the US Election process.
166   PrivilegedtobeWhite   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 9, 7:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
LeonDurham - you should read the book entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting up a Generation for Failure". This could really change your life if you keep an open mind.


Interesting, but fail to see how it will change my life.
Start with page 1 and keep going...
167   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 9, 7:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LastMan says
CBOEtrader says
I'm glad you re recognize that one must come before the other, not all at once.


I'm disappointed that you missed the point. He's increasing spending while cutting taxes. Debt is ballooning. We don't have to wait to see that he's failing on the financial front.


Wall Street is the ultimate judge on the economy and economic policies. Wall Street has concluded "increasing spending while cutting taxes" will benefit the economy at this point in time.
I would go with Wall Street.
168   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (34)   2018 Oct 9, 7:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Aphroman says
I never knew that Justice Kennedys kid was party to the Russian Oligarch duetsche bank note that you often reference wrt Trump laundering Russian Oligarch money through Trump enterprises


I can't speculate on that. The note has been a chuckle among bank geeks for a long time. You have a citation about Kenndy Jr's angle in that story?


https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6


Cute. Another veep cunt. At a billion the board is in. This isn't a construction note for a mall. The board made a decision to underwrite Trump's developments to provide crappy overpriced condos for their real customers - Russian and Soviet republic oligarchs with fugitive money - to buy to launder their skanky cash. Federal Financial Supervisory Authority has had with DB. BaFin has been living inside DB for sometime and the Danish Financial Services Authority is ripping the scab off of Danske Bank's laundering operations. European regulators have had with this crap. Trump and the twits around him are bit players but big enough to warrant conclusive examination, some of the precipitate of which will be useful for Mueller's crowd. In the end, Trump is really Sideshow Donnie in the epic story of the expatriation of money looted from Russia and the Soviets since 1991.
169   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 9, 7:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I'm so old, I remember an October not long ago when Obama, Hillary, the entire Democratic Party, and the Media was lecturing me about accepting the outcome of an election.


Two years later and the Trumpcucks are still bitter that Hillary received more votes. How sad is that?


No Aphroman, no. It would be the Democrats who are bitter, having lost the election even though they got more votes.
170   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 9, 7:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Aphroman says
Is turnabout suddenly NOT fair play?


I don't remember the Republicans, the Media, Big Tech, and all Academia trying to say Obama wasn't a real President, that his election was hacked by Russia, and that he was an actual fascist supported only by Racists.


Again, all the Forces of Influence in this country said in October 2016 that Trump and his supporters have to accept the election results, then spent the next two years "explaining" how he allegedly colluded with Putin to take over the US Election process.


Donald Trump claimed Obama was a foreign born Muslin to this day. Maybe you’re not old enough to remember

Or when the Republicans pouted and auto blocked everything for eight years because Obama is black
171   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 9, 7:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Donald Trump claimed Obama was a foreign born Muslin to this day.


That he did, and knowingly lied. I'm sure he also cheated on his wives, his taxes, and in his business dealings. It's all irrelevant. What matters is, is he good for the country and the world when it comes to the most pressing issues we face? Is he good for the economy, is he capable of dealing with Islam and dictators. That is all that matters.
172   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 9, 8:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Aphroman says
Donald Trump claimed Obama was a foreign born Muslin to this day.


That he did, and knowingly lied. I'm sure he also cheated on his wives, his taxes, and in his business dealings. It's all irrelevant. What matters is, is he good for the country and the world when it comes to the most pressing issues we face? Is he good for the economy, is he capable of dealing with Islam and dictators. That is all that matters.


Most importantly is he good for our Sovereignty

Any objective person knows the answer is no

Unless I missed Trump standing up on behalf of the USA wrt the Opioid epidemic, when the DEA says we must continue down this deadly path, all in the name of not upsetting foreign treaties
173   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 9, 8:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
I'm sure he also cheated on his wives, his taxes, and in his business dealings. It's all irrelevant. What matters is, is he good for the country and the world when it comes to the most pressing issues we face? Is he good for the economy, is he capable of dealing with Islam and dictators. That is all that matters.


Agreed. We don't need a nice president. We need an effective president, and we finally got one, somehow.
174   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 9, 8:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Strategist says
I'm sure he also cheated on his wives, his taxes, and in his business dealings. It's all irrelevant. What matters is, is he good for the country and the world when it comes to the most pressing issues we face? Is he good for the economy, is he capable of dealing with Islam and dictators. That is all that matters.


Agreed. We don't need a nice president. We need an effective president, and we finally got one, somehow.


Effective at implementing GOPe Bush family policy like the tax cut, SCOTUS appointments, and bowing to the Islamic terrorists in Saudi Barbaria. Oh and keeping the Obama bull market running along so far
176   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 10, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Strategist says
Aphroman says
Donald Trump claimed Obama was a foreign born Muslin to this day.


That he did, and knowingly lied. I'm sure he also cheated on his wives, his taxes, and in his business dealings. It's all irrelevant. What matters is, is he good for the country and the world when it comes to the most pressing issues we face? Is he good for the economy, is he capable of dealing with Islam and dictators. That is all that matters.


Most importantly is he good for our Sovereignty


I don't recall our sovereignty ever being questioned or even an issue.
177   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 4:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says


Agreed. We don't need a nice president. We need an effective president, and we finally got one, somehow.


Why do Trump supporters keep pretending that peoples' objections to Trump are because he isn't "nice"?

I don't care if he's nice. I care that his policies are crap. The latest revelation is that he personally lobbied for Sheldon Adelson with the Japanese Prime Minister after Adelson donated to his campaign and Republicans. Drain the swamp, indeed.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-lobbied-japans-abe-on-casino-for-adelson-report/

“It was totally brought up out of the blue,” one person briefed on the exchange told ProPublica/WNYC. “They were a little incredulous that he would be so brazen.” After the exchange in which Trump said he should consider Las Vegas Sands for a license, “Abe didn’t really respond, and said thank you for the information,” the person said"

I know, I know. But, but, but... Hillary's emails.
178   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 4:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
Interesting, but fail to see how it will change my life.
Start with page 1 and keep going...


OK, read it. Still don't see the relevancy to me. Do you think I'm anti free speech?
179   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 4:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
I don't care if he's nice. I care that his policies are crap. The latest revelation is that he personally lobbied for Sheldon Adelson with the Japanese Prime Minister after Adelson donated to his campaign and Republicans. Drain the swamp, indeed.


OMG, he did? I'm sure Obama never lobbied anybody personally for a donor, and we all know Hillary would never, ever, do anything.

I know, I know, to mention that Democrats do it is whataboutery, and we shouldn't interrupt criticism of Trump with pesky reminders that every politician, including and especially Democrats, have done so.
180   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 4:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
OMG, he did? I'm sure Obama never lobbied anybody personally for a donor, and we all know Hillary would never, ever, do anything.


I don't know of any time Obama did, and judging by Abe's reaction, it definitely appears that nobody had done anything remotely like it in the past.

Regardless, didn't you vote for Trump because you THOUGHT he was different?

Will you ever admit that you were taken by a snake oil salesman?
181   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 10, 4:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Why do Trump supporters keep pretending that peoples' objections to Trump are because he isn't "nice"?

I don't care if he's nice. I care that his policies are crap. The latest revelation is that he personally lobbied for Sheldon Adelson with the Japanese Prime Minister after Adelson donated to his campaign and Republicans. Drain the swamp, indeed.


Lobbying for Sheldon Adelson is not even a policy.
It seems to me you don't like him for whatever reason, and keep digging for something that makes him look bad. That's an obsession.
182   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 10, 4:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Will you ever admit that you were taken by a snake oil salesman?


I was. By Obama when I voted for him for his 2nd term.
183   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 5:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Lobbying for Sheldon Adelson is not even a policy.


Sorry, you're right. Pay for play isn't a policy, it's another example of the corruptness of Trump and his cronies. He is the worst of the swamp creatures and it's no surprise that his cabinet was full of men and women of similar morals.
184   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 5:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

I was. By Obama when I voted for him for his 2nd term.


Surprised you repeated the mistake again in the next election.
185   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 5:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Regardless, didn't you vote for Trump because you THOUGHT he was different?


I voted for tariffs, NAFTA renegotiation, less boots on the ground, less rapefugees, more restrictions on immigration from states with Islamist Violence, anti-PC, the #2A, Israel, and the Wall.

I already got most of what I want and it's not halfway in his Term yet. Very pleased.

I voted for Obama in 2008 for a new Glass-Steagal. Instead I got some kind of Heavily Corporate Subsidized "Heath Care", intended to be as mandatory as Car Insurance. And a reversal of race relations, and a lot of Franz Fanon Turd Worlder Talk, Michael Froman of Citigroup vetting the Entire Cabinet, and a betrayal of Israel as a final move.
186   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 5:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I voted for tariffs, NAFTA renegotiation, less boots on the ground, anti-PC, the #2A, and the Wall.


lol--yeah, you really got what you wanted with the NAFTA renegotiation. What happened to all your posts about soy boy Trudeau caving??

Are there fewer boots on the ground?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I voted for Obama in 2008 for Bank Regulation. I got some kind of Heavily Subsidized Corporate "Heath Care" instead, intended to be as mandatory as Car Insurance.


Well, you're definitely not getting bank regulation now. That's for damn sure.
187   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 5:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
lol--yeah, you really got what you wanted with the NAFTA renegotiation. What happened to all your posts about soy boy Trudeau caving??


You must have missed it. Trudeau caved like Jacques Cousteau in the Blue Hole of Belize. Opened the Canadian Diary Market wide, and got minimum North American Parts for autos increased.



LeonDurham says
Well, you're definitely not getting bank regulation now. That's for damn sure.



I didn't get any bank regulation right on the heels of a massive banking crisis with Dems controlling the House & Presidency.

But a lot of blah blah about Henri Louis Gates being the victim of racism because people saw a dude trying to open windows on a house in broad daylight and the cops asking what he was doing.
188   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 5:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

USMCA: Trudeau Surrenders.
https://patrick.net/post/1319249/2018-10-01-markets-up-bigly-as-canada-caves-ushers-in-usmca

Of course he did. Liberals lost the past 4 of 5 provincial elections, including their old Stronghold of Quebec and even Ottawa. Companies were already laying off thousands in anticipation of no deal.
189   LastMan   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 5:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Wall Street is the ultimate judge on the economy and economic policies. Wall Street has concluded "increasing spending while cutting taxes" will benefit the economy at this point in time.


At this point in time. You hit the nail on the head with that part, that Wall Street is short term in its thinking. What will boost profits and thus commissions now. Most politicians, including Trump, are the same in their short term thinking. They push ahead with whatever their agenda is and put it on the back of the national debt.

I'm a long term thinker and expect the same. Sometimes I wonder if all the hyper-partisanship is meant to distract from financial long term failings.
190   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 10, 5:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
one person briefed on the exchange


Sounds legit af
191   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 5:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Sounds legit af



That's modern journalism's version of "Well backed sources". Jesus, it's not even somebody claimed to hear it, it's somebody was told by somebody who allegedly heard it.
192   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 5:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
USMCA: Trudeau Surrenders.
https://patrick.net/post/1319249/2018-10-01-markets-up-bigly-as-canada-caves-ushers-in-usmca

Of course he did. Liberals lost the past 4 of 5 provincial elections, including their old Stronghold of Quebec and even Ottawa. Companies were already laying off thousands in anticipation of no deal.


lol--the stock market goes up 200 pts if the Bears win on Sunday. That's your evidence that it was a good deal? 3.6% instead of 3.2% of the Canadian market? Not even considering that the Canadian government will simply subsidize their farmers like the US does so they are competitive.
193   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 5:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Sounds legit af
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
That's modern journalism's version of "Well backed sources". Jesus, it's not even somebody claimed to hear it, it's somebody was told by somebody who allegedly heard it.


Oh Crap. How did I forget?? Unnamed sources are only believable when they say good things about Trump!!
194   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 5:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
lol--the stock market goes up 200 pts if the Bears win on Sunday. That's your evidence that it was a good deal? 3.6% instead of 3.2% of the Canadian market? Not even considering that the Canadian government will simply subsidize their farmers like the US does so they are competitive.


Tell me what changes Obama made to NAFTA? Did he increase the minimum number of $15+/hr workers? Increase the percentage of Parts in Autos to be considered NAFTA?

Oh yeah, nothing. Because Obama and the Democrats are militant outsourcers Obama didn't even try.

And of course, the rise in stocks was the consensus:

https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/stock-futures-stocks-nafta-ge-tesla/
195   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 10, 5:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Oh Crap. How did I forget?? Unnamed sources are only believable when they say good things about Trump!!


Not long ago, a Journo who said to their Editor : "I heard it from a guy who says he heard it from another guy" would have been laughed out of the office. But if it's Anti-Trump, it's good to go!

"Accountability Journalism"
196   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 10, 6:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LastMan says
Strategist says
Wall Street is the ultimate judge on the economy and economic policies. Wall Street has concluded "increasing spending while cutting taxes" will benefit the economy at this point in time.


At this point in time. You hit the nail on the head with that part, that Wall Street is short term in its thinking. What will boost profits and thus commissions now. Most politicians, including Trump, are the same in their short term thinking. They push ahead with whatever their agenda is and put it on the back of the national debt.

I'm a long term thinker and expect the same. Sometimes I wonder if all the hyper-partisanship is meant to distract from financial long term failings.


US corporations are very short term oriented. I believe Trump is too. He is pushing for too much growth all at the same time, when businesses can't even find workers anymore.
I think he should go easy for a bit, and save his Aces for when a downturn materializes.
Nevertheless, I would pick Trump over Obama anytime.
197   LastMan   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 10, 6:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Nevertheless, I would pick Trump over Obama anytime.


That was not the goal of this thread, to pick between Trump and whoever.

CBOEtrader says
What is your most well-reasoned anti-Trump argument?
198   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 10, 6:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LastMan says
CBOEtrader says
What is your most well-reasoned anti-Trump argument?


His support for ugly dirty coal.
Another one bites the dust. So sad.

https://www.energycentral.com/c/gn/chapter-11-us-coal-company
One of the oldest coal companies in the U.S. filed for bankruptcy protection to deal with it's $1.4 billion debt amid declining demand for fuel. Westmoreland Coal Co. began in 1854 in Pennsylvania and operates in Montana
199   Aphroman   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 10, 6:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
LeonDurham says
Will you ever admit that you were taken by a snake oil salesman?


I was. By Obama when I voted for him for his 2nd term.


What did he deceive you about? In 2012
200   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 10, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Strategist says
LeonDurham says
Will you ever admit that you were taken by a snake oil salesman?


I was. By Obama when I voted for him for his 2nd term.


What did he deceive you about? In 2012


1. Economy. Too socialistic. He could not inspire enough confidence among businesses, which was needed to get full recovery for the economy.
2. North Korea. He was a total disaster. They gained nuclear weapons.I was so disgusted.
3. Iran. He kicked the can down the street. Such a wimp.
4. Terrorism. He did not prevent the genocide of Yazidis. Very shameful.
5. He was too nice to be a tough President. "Nice guys finish last"
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The reasons why I did not vote for him in 2008 all came true. Yet I voted for him in 2016. I'm such a sucker.

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