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The best case against Trump

By CBOEtrader following x   2018 Oct 7, 9:58am 1,465 views   228 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I want to hear why a clear thinking adult would be anti-Trump.

What is your most well-reasoned anti-Trump argument? If you think he's a liar, please post the video. Or if you disagree with legislation he pioneered or executive orders, please post a link and reasoning.

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81   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 2:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Regardless if you cant even post what Trump said then I'll assume you are simply refusing to acknowledge nuance.


I posted it for God's sake. What the hell are you talking about??
82   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 7, 3:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
CBOEtrader says
Read the stats. The August numbers were estimated to be $500 B and came in at $300 B. Given this type of fluctuation it is not at all unrealistic to give a back if the envelope figure of $500B.


Nope. Try again. The August numbers prorated to a yearly deficit of $500MM.


All the more reason to do something about it.
83   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 3:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
All the more reason to do something about it.


By all means. And it's easier when you (Trump) don't lie about it.
84   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 7, 3:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Strategist says
All the more reason to do something about it.


By all means. And it's easier when you (Trump) don't lie about it.


Why would Trump "lie" about this?
85   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Why would Trump "lie" about this?


Only God knows. Why did he lie about the size of the inauguration crowd? Why did he call into National Enquirer pretending to be someone else?
86   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 7, 4:49pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I just want to thank Senator Collins and other White Women for insuring that the Assumption of Innocence remains a Societal Ideal, despite pressure groups to end it in the name of Identity Politics.
87   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 4:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I just want to thank Senator Collins and other White Women for insuring that the Assumption of Innocence remains a Societal Ideal, despite pressure groups to end it in the name of Identity Politics.


A job interview is different from a trial.
88   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 7, 4:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
A job interview is different from a trial.

I said Societal Ideal, not confined to Courts.

It would be a Kafka-esque terror state where unevidenced accusations could prevent somebody from reaching the pinnacle of their profession. To reject the flawed accustaion was the moderate, skeptical, considered view.

Good thing the Enlightenment views still hold sway over cynical Post Modernism.
89   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 4:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I said Societal Ideal, not confined to Courts.


lol--I don't think job interviews ever have a presumption of innocence. It's not a trial.
90   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 7, 5:00pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I just want to thank Senator Collins and other White Women for insuring that the Assumption of Innocence remains a Societal Ideal, despite pressure groups to end it in the name of Identity Politics.


A job interview is different from a trial.


Biggest bullshit argument ever. Same standard applies everywhere. There's libel and slander laws for good reasons. If the Ford case continues to fall apart like this she should be sued, maybe even trialed.
92   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 5:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says
Biggest bullshit argument ever. Same standard applies everywhere. There's libel and slander laws for good reasons. If the Ford case continues to fall apart like this she should be sued, maybe even trialed.


Give me a break. There is libel and slander for good reason. Kavanaugh has every right to sue any of his accusers. Why isn't he doing so??

There is NO such standard in a job interview. You can hire or not hire someone based on any evidence. There is absolutely NO burden of proof guiding someone's decision about whether or not to hire someone.

Please stop posting BS.
93   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 7, 5:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
There is NO such standard in a job interview. You can hire or not hire someone based on any evidence. There is absolutely NO burden of proof guiding someone's decision about whether or not to hire someone.


Senators have a responsibility to uphold standards of societal decency. This means rejecting vague, unbacked accusations against an appointee.

Funny how accusers will volunteer therapist notes to the Washington Post to create the awareness of the accusation, but not to Senators or the FBI to judge the accusation.

The kind of irresponsible behavior we witnessed over the past weeks is why the Democrats will be kept from power.
94   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 6:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Senators have a responsibility to uphold standards of societal decency


lol--do you follow politics? The standards of societal decency were abandoned long ago in the Senate.
95   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 6:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,
96   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 7, 6:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,



1. It's unlikely three people are going to show up to a 50 year old office manager's interview and tell the businessman that he groped them at a HS Party 35 years ago.
2. This isn't an Office Manager, it's a Supreme Court Judge, and it's highly politicized, which calls for extra skepticism about last minute, ancient, unverifiable accusations.
97   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
A compliant NKA. China actually respecting us and negotiating its tariffs is huge.


These statements are absurd, particularly for a poster demanding backup for any assertions that reflect negatively on Trump. I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand. I have heard a lot of posturing and bloviating on the subject. A time table for this was just blown off by Pompeo, we have no verification process there is nothing to verify as no agreement has been signed. Now when the Pres. falls in love with this mass murdering dictator who starves his own people, as he said he did, I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about the likelihood that this will end well, for Trump will fall out of love and act like the whiny little bitch he is, with a vast military. That Trump has ratcheted down the rhetoric that he/they ratcheted up with Kim is positive but a compliant NK that is a joke.

China respecting us, wow China respects nobody that is not Chinese, they will eat Trump's lunch on Trade. It may seem like we hold the upper hand, but with the retards he has on his negotiating team any apparent advantage will evaporate. We got a few concessions out of Canada and Mexico but the basic NAFTA frame work was unchanged, I will give him credit for a small win against very weak adversaries, China is a whole nother ball of wax. I hope he proves me wrong.
98   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
1. It's unlikely three people are going to show up to a 50 year old office manager's interview and tell the businessman that he groped them at a HS Party 35 years ago.
2. This isn't an Office Manager, it's a Supreme Court Judge, and it's highly politicized, which calls for extra skepticism about last minute, ancient, unverifiable accusations.


Yes, it's unlikely. No, an office manager isn't a Supreme Court Judge.

The point remains, however. Nobody is going to hire a 3 time accused candidate--societal decency be damned.
99   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 7, 7:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Why isn't he doing so??


Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.
100   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.


I'm sure. Just like all the people Trump was going to sue...
101   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 7, 7:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,


Yeah you don't get $1million cash control over the SCOTUS for faking an allegation against a $50k/yr office manager.

The democrats havent sworn $billions of capital against #resist of the $50k/yr office manager.

With the facts coming out, only a biased fool can still pretend this entire story wasnt fabricated for political control.

Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha
102   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha


Is anyone pretending it's not credible? Trump said credible. Pretty much the entire US Senate said credible.

Can you point out someone who said not credible?
103   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 7, 7:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand.


Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world
104   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world


lol--so Trump's accomplishment is giving up wargames in Korea in return for Kim not making blowhard statements about blowing up Hawaii?

Art of the Deal, indeed.
105   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:16-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Falsely accusing people is a crime that used to be punished with the same sentence that would have been imposed on the accused.
It still should be.
We’d see a lot fewer malicious acts of allegation.
106   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Can you point out someone who said not credible?


Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report. Not to mention the results of the pending investigation of Fords DNC handlers.

How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?
107   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report


OK can you show me a quote then?

CBOEtrader says
How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?


If you can get to 1, then I'll evaluate.
108   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://ktla.com/2018/09/28/trump-stands-by-kavanaugh-nomination-but-says-he-found-ford-very-credible-as-fbi-probe-is-ordered/

"The president told reporters that Christine Blasey Ford "was a very credible witness" but also that Kavanaugh's own testimony on Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee was "an incredible moment."

Even Fox News called her credible FFS

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6216025/Fox-News-says-Dr-Christine-Blasey-Ford-credible-testimony-disaster-Republicans.html
109   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The only thing left has against Trump is that he "says mean things". He's a straight shooter, I'll give him that, not a PC type. Left needs someone to tell them they are special every day in every way.

On flip side, he gets everything done. Economy booming, taxes lowered, man knows how to get it going.
111   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
The only thing left has against Trump is that he "says mean things". He's a straight shooter, I'll give him that, not a PC type. Left needs someone to tell them they are special every day in every way.


Bullshit. Did you read this thread? I've listed many things that he's made worse and none of them are him being mean. I don't give a crap about him being mean.
112   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 7:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Enjoy the whole thing, report is right on the page too.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-supplemental-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh


Thanks--pretty much proves my point. Nowhere does it claim that Ford is not credible.
113   PrivilegedtobeWhite   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 7, 7:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham - you should read the book entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting up a Generation for Failure". This could really change your life if you keep an open mind.

In fact, I highly recommend this book to everyone. This is the reason the Left is so triggered by someone like Trump.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
114   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 8:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
FortWayneIndiana says
Enjoy the whole thing, report is right on the page too.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-supplemental-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh


Thanks--pretty much proves my point. Nowhere does it claim that Ford is not credible.


I hope I didn't give you a false impression that I care what you think. You've said long ago that you hate Republicans and made your mind up, you are not a man of reason, you don't care for reason. Just another liberal drone.

I know you didn't read it, because you replied faster than it would have taken you to read the executive summary.
115   MbS   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 7, 8:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

His pubic hair is orange (allegedly)!
116   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 8:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump is bad because it was a woman's turn, its almost as bad as the new Dr Who. Why couldn't somebody like Trump save Dr Who :(.
117   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 7, 8:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
LeonDurham - you should read the book entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting up a Generation for Failure". This could really change your life if you keep an open mind.

In fact, I highly recommend this book to everyone. This is the reason the Left is so triggered by someone like Trump.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/


Oh nice, Jonathan Haidt, a man who went from righteous leftist to libertarian after evaluating his righteous worldview. Perfect recommendation for Leon.

LeonDurham says
Nowhere does it claim that Ford is not credible.


LOL this guy is hilarious. Dude the article points out first hand sworn accounts of people previously intimate with Ford who contradict her story. Grassley all but states he expects more contradictions when Ford's lawyers finally share all the evidence he is demanding. He also directly accuses the lawyers of not believing Ford's story and purely using the situation as a political weapon.

^^ is this how you define credible? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
118   rdm   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 8:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world


He first helps create the tension, you know "fire and fury, rocket man" rhetoric and then, "falls in love" sucks Kims dick in Hong Kong and in subsequent love letters, and the hostile rhetoric lessens, yes that is a good thing (not the dick sucking) but the bottom line, so to speak, is the strategic situation regarding the NK nukes is unchanged, Isnt it?

So NK as complaint no, as temporarily satiated with the appeasement of Trump giving Kim, a murderous dictator, a place of respect on the world's stage with China and Russia now more blatantly ignoring sanctions against NK, I will give you that.
119   MAGA   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 7, 8:54pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Falsely accusing people is a crime that used to be punished with the same sentence that would have been imposed on the accused.
It still should be.
We’d see a lot fewer malicious acts of allegation.



Great idea.
120   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 7, 10:00pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
A job interview is different from a trial.

Yes but what we all saw on TV was a trial and not a job interview.

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