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1   curious2   2018 Oct 15, 6:52pm  

"We can't find janitors to work for $15+ an hour with benefits because no janitor can afford to live within a 1-2 hour commute of our building," said Kennedy, the owner of Panoramic Interests, a real estate firm that builds affordable housing options in the Bay Area.

The Bay Area's tech boom famously created an influx of companies, workers and jobs, but in 2012, it ignited a housing crisis that's made it difficult for many people, especially those in minimum wage or entry-level jobs, to live nearby.
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The article is wrong. The zoning and planning restrictions that prevent the construction of sufficient housing are hurting the economy. Tech gets blamed, but the restrictions go back decades, long before FB and GOOG were even founded. The solution is to build more housing. If you could somehow get rid of tech, that would really hurt the economy, and it would not even solve the housing problem.
2   Strategist   2018 Oct 15, 7:05pm  

tovarichpeter says
Tech boom is hurting Bay Area economy


Do you want high paying jobs or not? Damn if you do, damn if you don't.
Solution: Pay $30+ to the janitors.
3   RWSGFY   2018 Oct 15, 7:28pm  

Strategist says
tovarichpeter says
Tech boom is hurting Bay Area economy


Do you want high paying jobs or not? Damn if you do, damn if you don't.
Solution: Pay $30+ to the janitors.


Your solution is too capitalistic. No bueno.
4   Strategist   2018 Oct 15, 7:38pm  

DASKAA says
Your solution is too capitalistic. No bueno.


Solution #2:
All high tech dudes contribute $100K towards a janitors $million condo.

Solution #3:
Bring back slavery. My wife already treats me like a slave by making me vacuum, simply because we can't afford a full time maid. Not even a part time one.
5   NuttBoxer   2018 Oct 16, 7:11am  

tovarichpeter says
Tech boom is hurting Bay Area economy


Ridiculous. Private jobs never hurt the economy. But affordable housing certainly does. Government shit like that is what drives up taxes, while simultaneously eliminating competition from real housing developers, keeping the prices un-affordable.
6   Strategist   2018 Oct 16, 7:21am  

It costs $250.00 per sq ft to just build a home as opposed to $100 sqft in many other states.
Does a brick cost 3 times as much in California?
7   NuttBoxer   2018 Oct 17, 7:36am  

The other factor that's not considered here is the extremely over-leveraged economy. People are living WAY beyond their means. When shit gets real, SF will become a ghost town.
8   Patrick   2018 Oct 17, 7:48am  

Strategist says
Solution #3:
Bring back slavery.


That's what illegals are. They work for less and can be deported, which means they don't complain the way uppity citizens might, about rights and laws and shit.

Win for employers, win for consumers who get cheaper services, win for illegals (who have it even worse back home).

Drives down wages for poor US citizens, so they lose, but who cares about them, right? Well, we all lose because the poor spend most of their income, which isn't much individually, but when multiplied by millions is actually a lot.

Give a dollar to a rich man and he just throws it on his pile. Can't even find a place to invest it these days.
Give a dollar to a poor man and he spends it right away because he has to, with positive knock-on effects throughout the economy.
9   Strategist   2018 Oct 17, 8:03am  

Patrick says
Win for employers, win for consumers who get cheaper services, win for illegals (who have it even worse back home).

True, but only if the illegals are working. Those who commit crimes create a mega loss for us. I am lenient for the hard working ones, but intolerant for the criminal ones.

Patrick says
Drives down wages for poor US citizens, so they lose, but who cares about them, right? Well, we all lose because the poor spend most of their income, which isn't much individually, but when multiplied by millions is actually a lot.

If wages go down too much, Americans will be more tempted to just go on welfare. Another loss for the tax payer.
10   RWSGFY   2018 Oct 17, 8:08am  

Strategist says
True, but only if the illegals are working. Those who commit crimes create a mega loss for us. I am lenient for the hard working ones, but intolerant for the criminal ones.


Deport them all and let God sort which is which.
11   Strategist   2018 Oct 17, 8:09am  

Also, if a hard working illegal is supporting 10 family members back home, humanity comes into play. I do not have the heart to see him get deported. I could not support his deportation regardless of what the law says.
12   Patrick   2018 Oct 17, 8:29am  

Strategist says
Also, if a hard working illegal is supporting 10 family members back home, humanity comes into play. I do not have the heart to see him get deported. I could not support his deportation regardless of what the law says.


How about 20 million illegals?

30 million?

And where is your sympathy for the poor Americans who have to compete with illegally low wages?
13   Strategist   2018 Oct 17, 9:51am  

Patrick says
Strategist says
Also, if a hard working illegal is supporting 10 family members back home, humanity comes into play. I do not have the heart to see him get deported. I could not support his deportation regardless of what the law says.


How about 20 million illegals?

30 million?

And where is your sympathy for the poor Americans who have to compete with illegally low wages?


You are presenting a rational argument. However, when you see a hardworking guy supporting 10 family members getting deported, compassionate emotions will emerge overriding any rational thought. If a Swede was getting deported, I would have much less compassion because I know he is going to a wealthy country where the government will support him and his family.
14   RWSGFY   2018 Oct 17, 11:49am  

Strategist says
Patrick says
Strategist says
Also, if a hard working illegal is supporting 10 family members back home, humanity comes into play. I do not have the heart to see him get deported. I could not support his deportation regardless of what the law says.


How about 20 million illegals?

30 million?

And where is your sympathy for the poor Americans who have to compete with illegally low wages?


You are presenting a rational argument. However, when you see a hardworking guy supporting 10 family members getting deported, compassionate emotions will emerge overriding any rational thought. If a Swede was getting deported, I would have much less compassion because I know he is going to a wealthy country where the government will support him and his family.


Dura lex, sed lex.

One can always donate to Mexican/Honduran/Guatemalan/etc charities.

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