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TeenVogue explains Anti-Capitalism


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2018 Oct 17, 6:06pm   4,296 views  37 comments

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And it's as even handed as you'd expect. ;)

The millennials Salon spoke to expect to see a grand societal shift in their lifetime, either toward socialism — a political and economic system in which the means of production are collectively and equally owned by everyone — or toward a sort of dystopian Mad Max nightmare in which resources have dwindled, rich plutocrats own everything, and ordinary people need to band together in small, autonomous communities to survive. To conservatives’ dismay, the modern idea of socialism, which has roots in Greek philosopher Plato but emerged as a popular political idea in the early 19th century among German radicals like Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, has become increasingly popular among young people in the past several years, following Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders’s underdog run for president and the authoritarian creep of the ultra-capitalist, anti-socialist Trump regime.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-capitalism-is

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1   LastMan   2018 Oct 17, 6:28pm  

Millennials aren't doing well under the current system. Big surprise they're considering alternatives. Ironically, Capitalism is about motivated self interest, so it makes sense for them to reject Capitalism if it isn't in their best interest.
2   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Oct 17, 8:24pm  

They think socialism will make their life better... do they not study any world history at all?
3   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 17, 9:17pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
They think socialism will make their life better... do they not study any world history at all?



Honestly, no.

All these SJWs who claim to be opposed to Slavery, can't name the guy responsible for ending the Slave Trade in most of the World, and the first successful ban ever enacted and enforced by any Government in World History.

(Hint: He was White Anglo Saxon Christian - and worst of all, Evangelical, to boot.)
4   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 17, 9:48pm  

You can probably count followers of Bernie that have read Marx or Plato on 1 hand.
People who have read Marx also understand the history of the 20th century.
Idiocracy seems more likely than "Marxism".
5   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 17, 9:53pm  

Republicans are screwed because the proportion of whites is dwindling.
In 15 years the country will more like CA, with democrats outnumbering republicans by 2-1, unless the narratives change radically.
The ideas dominating this echo chamber are dying.
Too late to change this.
6   Ceffer   2018 Oct 17, 11:19pm  

Socialism is where they take away all of your shit, and give a little of it back disguised as free shit.
7   komputodo   2018 Oct 17, 11:51pm  

Ceffer says
Socialism is where they take away all of your shit, and give a little of it back disguised as free shit.


Kinda like now, where they take away some of your rights and sell them back to you.
8   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 18, 2:03am  

Heraclitusstudent says
In 15 years the country will more like CA, with democrats outnumbering republicans by 2-1, unless the narratives change radically.


Not at all. Millennials reproduce at the smallest numbers in history. They're all in - almost the entire Millennial cohort is of voting age - and are as Left as they'll ever be. It's all downhill from here.

Nor are Hispanics all Che Guevaras, bursting at the seams for Social Revolution. Central Americans in particular are more religious, less open to 32 Flavors of Gender, more likely to be anti-abortion, and very macho as well.

They started saying that around 2000 and by 2010 it's become the widely held Dem view, but it sure seems it ain't happening.

Millenials are "all in" and from this point they only get more conservative with age. Hispanics are not the uniform Che Guevara types, just bursting for a Socialist Revolution, that White Coastie Libbies think they are. They're far more socially conservative and family oriented than most American Progressives. Finally, about 25% of Mexican Adults have lived or live in the USA, so the available numbers of nearby plentiful migrants has pretty much peaked

The White Coastal Gentrified isn't reproducing. Some jump off the cock carousel at the last minute and are having kids around age 30-35 and usually only get one, if lucky two, and many have none.

This has been noticed going back to 2006...
Liberals, it is said, have a baby problem. They don't have enough of them, compared to conservatives. And this failure to replenish their ranks is a reason why they lose elections. Call it a fertility gap.

"The political right is having a lot more kids than the political left," Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks says. "The gap is actually 41 percent."

Studying numbers from the General Social Survey -- a government survey of social trends -- Brooks found that 100 unrelated liberal adults have 147 children, while 100 unrelated conservatives have 208 kids.

That makes a difference, Brooks says, because "80 percent of people that express a political party preference are voting like their folks."

Article also includes America's First Female Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway.
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2344929&page=1

Surveys of Gen Z reveal they are more Libertarian-Conservative, more than GenX, and possibly the most conservative generation since WW2. Makes sense when most are Gen Xer's kids. Boomers were the last generation that married young enough and had kids including the Progressive ones if they had modest success. Progs since the 1990s have very few children.
9   Strategist   2018 Oct 18, 8:07am  

FortWayneIndiana says
They think socialism will make their life better... do they not study any world history at all?


They don't learn history, nor do they learn current events. If they learnt any geography, they would have heard of Venezuela.
10   Shaman   2018 Oct 18, 9:10am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
All these SJWs who claim to be opposed to Slavery, can't name the guy responsible for ending the Slave Trade in most of the World, and the first successful ban ever enacted and enforced by any Government in World History


William Wilberforce.
11   Shaman   2018 Oct 18, 9:12am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Progs since the 1990s have very few children.


Obviously they’re self-selecting out of the gene pool. Better for everyone!
12   socal2   2018 Oct 18, 9:12am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
The White Coastal Gentrified isn't reproducing. Some jump off the cock carousel at the last minute and are having kids around age 30-35 and usually only get one, if lucky two, and many have none.

This has been noticed going back to 2006...


It's called the "Roe Effect".

Progs aborting their offspring to save the environment or something.
13   HeadSet   2018 Oct 18, 9:16am  

Progs aborting their offspring to save the environment or something.

And then being for unfettered illegal immigration.
14   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 18, 10:01am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
or toward a sort of dystopian Mad Max nightmare in which resources have dwindled, rich plutocrats own everything, and ordinary people need to band together in small, autonomous communities to survive. To conservatives’ dismay, the modern idea of socialism


Is that surprising? We live in a world where more and more is automatized, where most other jobs are commoditized and handed to skill-less low wage workers, while on the other side the rich make up like bandits. With wages, the end-demand is collapsing, which has to be compensated by massive debt creation. 80% of the population is getting screwed for the profits of the rest.
Capitalism has become its own worse enemy. In its indeed evolving toward socialism - or mad-Max.
This is kind of obvious.
15   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 18, 10:03am  

Quigley says
Obviously they’re self-selecting out of the gene pool. Better for everyone!


Whites Anglo-saxons used to own this country. They lost it. A few more babies in the bible belt isn't going to change this equation.
16   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 18, 10:04am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Not at all. Millennials reproduce at the smallest numbers in history. They're all in - almost the entire Millennial cohort is of voting age - and are as Left as they'll ever be. It's all downhill from here.


It's certainly downhill for more conservative older generations.
17   Ceffer   2018 Oct 18, 10:08am  

I get all the news and opinion that matters from Teen Vogue. After all, you sometimes need to pay attention to important events in between shopping sprees for bling and clubbing splatter.
18   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 18, 10:34am  

Heraclitusstudent says
Whites Anglo-saxons used to own this country. They lost it. A few more babies in the bible belt isn't going to change this equation.


Hispanics only identify as Hispanic when filing out US Forms. When they're back in the Mother Country, or amongst themselves? Same as many White People from Arkansas: "I'm Spanish with a bit of Cherokee Maya".

The same was said about the Irish, who voted for overwhelmingly for Copperheads when they first started to arrive in numbers.
19   krc   2018 Oct 18, 10:38am  

Tucker Carlson was in SF yesterday and had an interesting take, basically very concerned that most young folks identify socialism as a better contract for society than capitalism. I thought he was a conservative partisan hack, but I came away impressed. He does see the danger in wealth controlled by just internet companies that don't care for the society in general and employ fewer people than traditional blue collar companies. He thinks there is a fundamental shift in the economy and the way political parties are organized - with no party really representing labor. Society needs to "sell capitalism" to the youth if we want capitalism to continue. He also correctly observed that the super wealthy are now very left of center - and yet they don't really "act that way". Uber, as example, used their app to let everyone know they supported BLM and MeToo, and yet they provide zero health benefits and 25% of drivers actually lose money. He had some very cool observations.... like we should outlaw automated driving systems to ensure future jobs for males, etc...

And I always thought he was a hack... :)
20   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 18, 10:47am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
The same was said about the Irish, who voted for overwhelmingly for Copperheads when they first started to arrive in numbers.

Yes, though the Irish culture is a bit closer than the Hispanic one.
22   Shaman   2018 Oct 18, 1:17pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Whites Anglo-saxons used to own this country. They lost it. A few more babies in the bible belt isn't going to change this equation.


Responses:
1)Everything goes around. The world turns, seasons come and pass, and land that belonged to one people belongs to another.

2)Nobody holds onto what they aren’t strong enough to keep from everyone else. In the early 19th century, a few thousand white people from Holland were enough to hold on to South Africa.
A few dozen million from England were strong enough to hold onto half the world.
And in 1967, a few million Jews held the Holy Land against a few hundred million Arabs.
Strength and determination matter. When either is gone, the barbarians will be at the gate.
23   Strategist   2018 Oct 18, 2:28pm  

Quigley says
Responses:
1)Everything goes around. The world turns, seasons come and pass, and land that belonged to one people belongs to another.

2)Nobody holds onto what they aren’t strong enough to keep from everyone else. In the early 19th century, a few thousand white people from Holland were enough to hold on to South Africa.
A few dozen million from England were strong enough to hold onto half the world.
And in 1967, a few million Jews held the Holy Land against a few hundred million Arabs.
Strength and determination matter. When either is gone, the barbarians will be at the gate.


All land in existence was stolen or conquered by someone or other. Maybe hundreds of times over the millennials.
It doesn't really matter to me where the boundaries are drawn in Israel. I just think suicide bombers and their supporters should be punished, not rewarded.
24   NDrLoR   2018 Oct 18, 2:36pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
It's certainly downhill for more conservative older generations.
As long as they're comfortable and can live as they please, it doesn't really matter as long as they have theirs. What a lot of younger people don't appreciate is that the older generation's life-long conservatism was what put them in good stead for their older years.
25   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 18, 3:21pm  

Strategist says
All land in existence was stolen or conquered by someone or other.

Sure, and all empires ultimately fail, and all civilizations end up collapsing. It's written. With enough stand back, I guess none of this matters.
The sun will turn red and pulverize the earth soon enough.
26   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 18, 3:28pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Sure, and all empires ultimately fail, and all civilizations end up collapsing. It's written. With enough stand back, I guess none of this matters.
The sun will turn red and pulverize the earth soon enough.


By that time we'll be our own Aliens, having separate evolution on Sirius IV, Archenar V, and Canopus IIIc (third moon of gas giant). Oh, and the Oort Cloud right here in Sol. WIth billions of stars, resources are virtually unlimited. Hell it will taken have taken 10,000 years to maximize utilization of this system.

It all starts with the water cracking depot on the North Pole of the Moon.
27   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Oct 18, 3:38pm  

I admire your optimism :-)
28   curious2   2018 Oct 18, 3:54pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
WIth billions of stars, resources are virtually unlimited. Hell it will taken have taken 10,000 years to maximize utilization of this system.


This is actually one of the reasons why Islam will continue to pose a really serious problem until Islam itself ends. Islam commands believers to "kill the disbelievers wherever you find them" (Koran 9:5 among other verses commanding believers to kill disbelievers and "strike terror" into the enemies of Allah). It commands believers to kill blasphemers, and Pakistan is leading a Muslim world campaign against blasphemy, including online. If a cartoonist in London draws the dead charlatan Mohamad, Pakistanis riot in Pakistan and demand death. The whole universe is not big enough for Islam to share with other doctrines.

Contrast that with capitalism vs communism. At least in theory, a capitalist planet could coexist with a communist planet. They might even trade with each other. Even if an extreme Marxist considers global communism a worldwide imperative, that does not require fighting with other planets.

Only Islam commands hunting down and killing blasphemers and disbelievers "wherever you find them." Someone drew a Mohamad cartoon on an exoplanet and posted it online? Blasphemy!

Religions come and go. Zeus, the original Isis, Thor: none of them get the respect they got centuries ago. (And Thor rid the world of ice giants with his mighty hammer!) In an interconnected world, where blasphemy travels at the speed of light, Islam must end. As communism collided with history, Islam is now colliding with the Internet. I hope the Internet wins, but that means Islam must lose.
29   Shaman   2018 Oct 18, 4:12pm  

I concur. The only possible way forward is to abolish Islam wherever we find it. The Chinese are doing good work with their Uighur people. I hope they succeed in their efforts to stamp out that most heinous of heresies.
30   Shaman   2018 Oct 18, 4:39pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Heraclitusstudent says
Sure, and all empires ultimately fail, and all civilizations end up collapsing. It's written. With enough stand back, I guess none of this matters.
The sun will turn red and pulverize the earth soon enough.


By that time we'll be our own Aliens, having separate evolution on Sirius IV, Archenar V, and Canopus IIIc (third moon of gas giant). Oh, and the Oort Cloud right here in Sol. WIth billions of stars, resources are virtually unlimited. Hell it will taken have taken 10,000 years to maximize utilization of this system.

It all starts with the water cracking depot on the North Pole of the Moon.


The Expanse is a hella good show
31   NDrLoR   2018 Oct 18, 6:47pm  

curious2 says
Religions come and go.
But Jesus Christ is eternal.
32   NDrLoR   2018 Oct 18, 6:48pm  

curious2 says
I hope the Internet wins, but that means Islam must lose
Sounds like a plan.
33   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Oct 18, 7:59pm  

curious2 says
Religions come and go


Every time they go, morality decays, society falls apart. Know your history.
34   Strategist   2018 Oct 18, 9:55pm  

P N Dr Lo R says
But Jesus Christ is eternal.


And all this time I was told he died for me. I feel cheated.
35   curious2   2018 Oct 18, 10:03pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
Every time [religions] go, morality decays, society falls apart. Know your history.


Interesting: so your belief is, when Odin and Thor went away and got replaced by Christianity, that caused moral decay and their society fell apart. Looking at history, the Vikings traveled the world and prospered mightily with Odin and Thor. Even now, the entire English speaking world remembers Odin every Odinsdag (Wednesday) and Thor every Thorsdag (Thursday). Alas, Vikings traded Odin and Thor for the self-destructive Jesus character and what Neitzsche called slave morality, and fell into decline. Thank you for drawing attention to the fact: Christianity causes decay, among the Vikings as in ancient Rome.

Even now, we see the Pope demanding Christian countries import more Muslims, and serve them. If only our historical predecessors had not abandoned the strength of Odin and Thor, or Jupiter and Mars, in favor of the self-destructive Jesus character, our society might not fall for this Islamic nonsense. The officially atheist Chinese don't fall for Islam, and even the Buddhists in Burma are rejecting it; only Christians (many under orders from the Pope) insist on surrendering to Islam.

P N Dr Lo R says
But Jesus Christ is eternal.


For 99% of human history, nobody ever heard of him. For the remaining 1% of human history, people have heard of him, but disagreed about what he said and whether it matters. Most of the world continues to dismiss him, and if Islam continues to spread, his doctrine will be demoted to the status of an inferior religion (as in Pakistan) and eventually crushed (as in the Arabian peninsula).
36   bob2356   2018 Oct 19, 5:22am  

curious2 says
. Looking at history, the Vikings traveled the world and prospered mightily with Odin and Thor. Even


The Vikings prospered with revolutionary advances ships, tactics, espionage, and weapons. Especially the virtually unbreakable Ulfberht swords which used advanced metallurgy not discovered again for 800 more years. Most of the great dominant conquering societies did so by new advances warfare in some way from Alexander the great perfecting Phillips phalanx to mongols horse skills to the blitzkrieg. Either the people being attacked develop effective counter measures or the strong leader dies and no one can carry on or the conquest wealth corrupts the conquerors then the dominance disappears and the conquering society falls. . Religion rarely influences the fall. GIbbon's babbling excepted Christianity had very little to do with the fall of rome.
37   MisterLefty   2018 Oct 19, 5:37am  

bob2356 says
Either the people being attacked develop effective counter measures
Or your primitive technologies mean you get taken over, which then becomes material for whiny SJW's ignorant of reality.

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