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Who wants to shop for eternity with Whole Foods morons?

I'm not sure what people have against Whole Foods, I shop there every two weeks, and never noticed anything odd.

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Bacon isn't organic?

I actually get some pretty good bacon from Whole Foods. It's no hormone, no nitrates, and no add sugar. The last one was the hardest to find.

As to cost, I stopped looking at prices when I decided my health and quality of life was first. I figure I make up the cost though by not having to carry expensive sick-care insurance, and not going to the doctor's all the time.

WF is not the only place on Earth selling organic food.

NuttBoxer says

I actually get some pretty good bacon from Whole Foods. It's no hormone, no nitrates, and no add sugar.

FUCKIN' A. Whole Foods has a killer selection of bacon and so much of it is fantastic. I love their applewood smoked and their brown sugar varieties.

And yeah, Whole Foods is a bit pricier, TPB. Snore. Never heard that criticism before, how original. If you're on Amazon Prime it's a good deal cheaper, though, and practically competitive with places like Ralph's or Von's where their quality is comparatively shit.

My go-to is Trader Joe's because you can get decent organic stuff there for cheap, with maybe bimonthly visits to whole foods.

NuttBoxer says

cancer is absolutely preventable.

Yes and no.

Thanks for linking the article, which reports an excellent study from France. The study found that choosing organic food over conventional food reduced the risk of two specific types of cancer: lymphoma and postmenopausal breast cancer. Lymphoma in particular is associated with pesticides, and organic foods have fewer and less pesticides than conventional. The study did not find an association with other cancers.

It is possible to reduce the risk of cancer by (a) not smoking, (b) not drinking too much alcohol, (c) other dietary measures including probably organic, and (d) staying in shape (exercise and don't become obese). It is not possible to eliminate the risk of cancer. Reports of cancer go back thousands of years, long before tobacco smoking and modern pesticides. Until cancer is easily curable, it will remain a serious risk. 50% of Americans get cancer, and 40% die from it. Dietary changes may reduce those numbers, but cancer will remain a serious killer until research finds cures.

It is possible to reduce the risk of cancer by (a) not smoking, (b) not drinking too much alcohol, and (c) other dietary measures including probably organic.

You left off staying in shape, lazy. And cancer does remain a big killer, but it is arriving later in life than in previous eras. We have expanded life spans to the point where it is cancer that becomes the cause of death.

HeadSet says

You left off staying in shape....

Fixed.

MegaForce says

Good old CHON plus some trace elements of Iron, Calcium, Potassium, Phosphorus, etc.

As noted in the articles, the most likely relevant difference between "organic" and conventional foods is pesticide content. People who eat more conventional foods have significantly more pesticides in their blood and are more likely to get lymphoma, and those two facts are connected. They are also more likely to get postmenopausal breast cancer, although IDK the connection.

Organic foods are also not GMO, but that is probably irrelevant.

There was no association with other cancers. Likewise alcohol increases the risk of several specific cancers, while decreasing the risk of two others. The word "cancer" comprises more than 200 different diseases.

Also, as you noted, some dietary elements can be completely inorganic. You can get good dietary iron from cooking in a cast iron skillet. Salt is also essential within healthy limits, and can be obtained from seawater.

Yes, there have been cases of cancer dating back to Egyptian times. But never at the rate we get it today. Looking at what causes those older forms is secondary when most people are dying from new forms introduced in the last hundred years.

Saying eating healthy does not help with all forms of cancer is an attempt to compartmentalize health, and shows a complete lack of understanding of how the immune system works. Toxic burden is real, if you stress one part, it will affect other parts of the body. My Mom does not have either of those forms of cancer, and has seen dramatic improvement when she made dietary changes. Makes sense when you consider her cancer was in your intestines and liver(digestion). Just because the study didn't cover it, doesn't mean the same logic doesn't apply. The biggest problem with today's pseudo-science, and the greatest failure of our sickcare industry is the inability to understand how the body works as an entire organism, and how to prevent disease.

NuttBoxer says

the greatest failure of our sickcare industry is the inability to understand [...] how to prevent disease.

Prevent diseases???? Lol
Why would they want to cut their sales???
The sickcare industry is not failing. It is succeeding.

HeadSet says

You left off staying in shape, lazy.

Diet plays a vastly more significant role in overall health than 'staying in shape'... Simply going on a walk for 20-30 mins a day is fine as long as you're not shoveling Doritos and mountain dew into your gaping maw six times a day

curious2 says

reduce the risk of cancer by (a) not smoking, (b) not drinking too much alcohol, (c) other dietary measures including probably organic, and (d) staying in shape (exercise and don't become obese).

(e) - sleep well
(f) - get some sun (vitamin D) or supplement.
(g) - avoid chemicals, not just in food, but everything: Parabens, SLS, triclosan. Solvents. Living close to a gas station raises your risk of cancer
(h) - avoid stress. Worrying about cancer is highly carcinogenic.

NuttBoxer says

lowers risk of cancer 25%

cancer is absolutely preventable.

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