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So, are we going to give the lies about violence on the left a rest for a couple days ?

By marcus follow marcus   2018 Oct 26, 7:28pm 5,253 views   57 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


There was Timothy McVeigh. There was those entitled right winger nutjob ranchers that did an armed takeover of a wildlife preserve a couple years ago.

Or the list of 73 deaths caused by right wing terrorists in the U.S. since 2001.

And now this asshole with the pipeboms from southern FLorida. . IT wasn't TPB was it ??

Tell me again how that guy that shoved someone at a protest proves that only the left is violent.

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1   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 26, 7:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
There was Timothy McVeigh


Who holds the postwar record for number of bombings in the USA?
2   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 26, 7:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Facts

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks


In comparison to the 2000s, there was a sharp decline in the proportion of terrorist attacks carried out by left-wing, environmentalist extremists during the first seven years of the 2010s (from 64% to 12%). At the same time, there was a sharp increase in the proportion of attacks carried out by right-wing extremists (from 6% to 35%) and religious extremists (from 9% to 53%) in the United States.

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks
3   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 26, 7:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sorry, attacks by Right wingers have never been anywhere as frequent as Leftists in the 70s and early 80s.

Islamic attacks are the deadliest by far, even excluding 9/11. OKC was a one time thing, 25 years ago, by a lone wolf. The only other right wing terrorist I can think of is Eric Whatshisface, another lone wolf.

Also, one huge problem with this START chart is they separate "Nationalist/Sepratist" violence from Left or Right wing, which is BS. Black Lives Matter and any Black Nationalist terror is most certainly Left Wing. You don't see Angela Davis getting invited to Bob Jones University, but rather Dartmouth. Mumia Abu Jamal isn't a cause at Texas Christian, but is at the Lawyer's Guild and at CUNY.
4   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 26, 7:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Sorry, attacks by Right wingers have never been anywhere as frequent as Leftists in the 70s and early 80


Oh, okay. As long as violence done by right wingers now, is less than left wingers in the 70s ....? That's your proof that claims on this forum of the left being more violent than the right now is correct ?

73 deaths due to right wing extremists since 2001. Can you point me to data on the number of deaths due to left wing violence this century ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

IF you can't answer this, then what do you say we give those particular insane lies a rest for a couple of days.
6   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 26, 9:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
73 deaths due to right wing extremists since 2001. Can you point me to data on the number of deaths due to left wing violence this century ?


Difficult, because SPL and Academics play games with the numbers, sometimes counting Islamism as "Right WIng" and sometimes creating special categories for Leftist Violence like calling BLM inspired terrorism "Nationalist/Separatists".

9/11 should actually be considered Left Wing because all the people apologizing for it, contextualizing it, and insisting we not blame the whole ideology for the event were ... Left.

Here's a deadly Left Wing attack for you, from 2016.


Six People Killed, Five of whom were Officers, 9 injured. Probably START has this as a "Separatist Attack" but this was left wing terror.. He also tried to start a gun battle between open carry Leftwing Black Supremacist Protesters and the Cops by shooting at both sides.

Now, show me 6 deaths in an attack in the name of MAGA.

BTW, Louis Farrakhan said "I'm not Anti-Semitic, I'm anti-Termite" the other day. Didn't hear of it? Not Anti-Trump. Also with Ellison's victory in doubt, the Democrat Party Media doesn't want people talking about their relationship, or Obama's relationship with Farrakhan.
7   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 26, 10:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
marcus says
73 deaths due to right wing extremists since 2001. Can you point me to data on the number of deaths due to left wing violence this century ?


Difficult, because SPL and Academics play games with the numbers, sometimes counting Islamism as "Right WIng" and sometimes creating special categories for Leftist Violence like calling BLM inspired terrorism "Nationalist/Separatists".

9/11 should actually be considered Left Wing because all the people apologizing for it, contextualizing it, and insisting we not blame the whole ideology for the event were ... Left.


I'll take this as concession that I'm right.
8   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 26, 11:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I'll take this as concession that I'm right.


Which is strange, because I asked you to find a clear Right-wing, politically motivated equivalent or worse to the Dallas Sniper in the past couple of years.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Now, show me 6 deaths in an attack in the name of MAGA.
9   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 27, 3:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
marcus says
73 deaths due to right wing extremists since 2001. Can you point me to data on the number of deaths due to left wing violence this century ?


Difficult, because SPL and Academics play games with the numbers, sometimes counting Islamism as "Right WIng" and sometimes creating special categories for Leftist Violence like calling BLM inspired terrorism "Nationalist/Separatists".

9/11 should actually be considered Left Wing because all the people apologizing for it, contextualizing it, and insisting we not blame the whole ideology for the event were ... Left.


I'll take this as concession that I'm right.


That is a dishonest sentiment and you know it.

These lists do a few things consistently. 1) play games w what they classify as terrorism and 2) play games w what they define as "right" 3) hold the left to a far different standard than the right.

The only way to start to see the bias is to see the list. (Notice neither you nor the "source" offers a link to the actual source data.)

However even seeing the list wont fully explain the bias, considering they are hand selecting what they call terrorism in the first place. Ex: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_torture_incident they would never classify a politically and racially motivated kidnapping as even a hate crime much less a crime of terrorism, cause this is a crime from the left. In fact the much more prevalent black on white violent event would NEVER be classified as hate crime or terrorism.

By comparison these lists attempt to paint any rare white on black crime as terrorism. Just go read the SPLC link wherein they lost some of their examples of terrorism.

It's really weak to post these stats w/o looking at them or even offering the list of events. Do you even care about the truth?
10   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2018 Oct 27, 6:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says


Ah look the Antifa are having a Socialist Picnic
11   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 29, 10:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No.

BREAKING: Shots fired into Volusia County Republican Party office in South Daytona pic.twitter.com/qqZl3ueabC

— BNL NEWS (@BreakingNLive) October 29, 2018

13   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 30, 10:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No.

CNN's Don Lemon: "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37797/cnns-don-lemon-calls-white-men-biggest-terror-hank-berrien

This is CNN.
14   Tim Aurora   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 31, 4:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
. IT wasn't TPB was it ??


I thought of that too. LOL
15   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2018 Oct 31, 6:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hillary says Don Lemon and Eric Holder look like because they are black.
16   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 6:08am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

It may help if right and left had any meaning whatsoever.

There is no left and right. All we have are supporters of individual freedoms vs collectivism.

All collectivists are wrong for the same reasons. Nazis are the same as communists. Both are violent as every collectivism leads to violence.
17   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 31, 6:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
All we have are supporters of individual freedoms vs collectivism.


This is mostly a political ruse to get votes for what the oligarchs want. That is lower taxes, a government that they control, and slave labor that is as cheap as possible. Meanwhile environmental regulations down the tubes.

Individual freedoms is a relative thing. I can imagine a future with gated communities for those with trust funds or the lucky few who otherwise have good investment income. And then shanty towns with decaying commons and an ever disappearing middle class. . In "A Tale of Two Cities," wasn't' there a type of individual freedom that the even the wretched poor had ?

How does your theory explain people such as myself who are relatively conservative in many ways ? I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson and believe very much in individual freedom and deplore the SJW mind set. And yet I see that republicans get and implement all the things the oligarchs want.

THey are getting all the things that they would get if they had defeated a democratic party that you and Patick and all the others with this argument respect to the max, fighting for workers etc. YES DEMOCRATS AREN'T FIGHTING EFFECTIVELY FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD... BUT THEREFORE YOU GIVE REPUBLICANS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD WANT (FOR THEIR OVERLORDS) IF DEMOCRATS WERE FIGHTING FOR WHAT YOU CLAIM THEY SHOULD BE ?

What kind of sense does that make ? All becasue of some fear of communism you see on the left ? WE are moving quickly in to a new guilded age. WE can't even discuss the real issues, such as how to do health care in an economically sensible way, becasue of BS fears the right wing media machine perpetuates.

Immigrants, Islam, and communism oh my. Oh noes, America isn't going to be a white country much longer !! Ahhhhh!

I guess that's as good a reason as any to fuck over the people.
18   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 31, 6:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

slave labor that is as cheap as possible.

Interesting. Trump is the only one who is pushing to stop unfettered illegal immigration and to have manufacturing return to the USA from China and other low wage areas. Illegal immigrant labor and off -shoring of jobs create downward pressure on wages.
19   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 31, 7:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Trump is the only one who is pushing to stop unfettered illegal immigration


Compare border policies and numbers of people deported during Obama admin, and you will find this statement to be 100% false.

Trump's immigration talk is about getting votes. Nothing more.
20   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 7:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
This is mostly a political ruse to get votes for what the oligarchs want.


This? You mean the libertarian values that brought freedom to the masses is a political ruse by the oligarchs.

Wrong.

Labeling libertarianism as a ruse by the oligarchs, is itself a ruse by the oligarchs.

marcus says
That is lower taxes, a government that they control


These are opposites. Lower taxes means your politician has less power, not more.

marcus says
Meanwhile environmental regulations down the tubes.


You mean they scrapped the paris accord plan to tax the world and let the oligarchs control that capital?

You seem to be arguing w yourself. Not allowing the oligarchs to have complete control is somehow a "ruse of the oligarchs".

^^this is what CNN teaches you. It's really gross man. Just terrible for our country
21   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 6:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Marcus, what does this interaction teach YOU?

You both are proving that people cannot discuss current events any more unless you both belong to the same universe.

If one of you seriously listens to Limbaugh and wacthes Fox News (LOL) then that’s all you need to know.

Any other conversation is a waste of time unless you want a hot apple pie with that order.

Marcus, I understand that you are a teacher, but there is such a thing as having too much patience, and you are guilty as sin.
22   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 7:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
No.

CNN's Don Lemon: "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37797/cnns-don-lemon-calls-white-men-biggest-terror-hank-berrien

This is CNN.

What do you suggest we do about them?

The politically conservative Daily Caller News Foundation using data from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), found 92% of all "ideologically motivated homicide incidents" committed in the United States from 2007 to 2016 were motivated by right-wing extremism or white supremacism.

According to the Government Accountability Office of the United States, 73% of violent extremist incidents that resulted in deaths since September 12, 2001 were caused by right-wing extremist groups.

MAGA Nazis will try to include the shooting in Dallas at the Black Lives Matter event, but the Dallas Police chief himself said the shooter was not with BLM.

The "both sides do it" argument is utter bullshit!

“All political violence is perpetrated by the left” is pure Fox News/ Limbaugh. It’s a desperate gaslighting campaign to erase the stink of extremism from GOP candidates and their unfortunate followers.
23   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 7:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
found 92% of all "ideologically motivated homicide incidents"


Source or you made it all up.

Please define how a researcher could determine ideological motivation for a murder.

Then also define right wing extremism or white supremacy. Last I saw a list like this they had the Parkland shooter listed as a right wing terrorist event.

So yeah if you want to look at the 1/1000 US murders defined as done by right winger extremists via biased sources, then somehow suggest 1 out of 1000 murders is all right wingers fault, then your conclusion makes perfect sense.

SMH...lolz
24   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 8:01pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

WTF Relious fanatic.

3 very traceable sources were given.

What you want is me personally to defend the data but I am not so kind as Marcus. He’s evidently spoiled you.

For those who use search engines the same data shows up multiple places e.g.
Also showed up here:

As of March 2018, the New America Foundation placed the number killed in terrorist attacks in the United States (since 9/11) as follows: 103 killed in jihadist terrorist attacks, 70 killed in far-right attacks, and 8 killed in black separatist/nationalist/supremacist attacks.[38]

The politically conservative Daily Caller News Foundation using data from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), found 92% of all "ideologically motivated homicide incidents" committed in the United States from 2007 to 2016 were motivated by right-wing extremism or white supremacism.[39] According to the Government Accountability Office of the United States, 73% of violent extremist incidents that resulted in deaths since September 12, 2001 were caused by right-wing extremist groups.[40][41]

New America's tally shows that since September 11, 2001, incidents of right-wing extremism have caused 70 deaths. Incidents causing death were:[38]


Spoon feeding a brat
25   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 8:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
3 very traceable sources were given.
and yet you havent offered any? If you did somewhere above in a thread I apologize. I havent seen a source yet.

MAGA_BOMBER says
What you want is me personally to defend the data


Yes I want you to think critically and explain why you agree or disagree with the headline statistic. If you have no opinion why post the stat in the first place?

MAGA_BOMBER says
Also showed up here:


There's still no link.

Every time I dive into a set of stats like this it has been absolutely horrid processes and disgustingly biased judgement. It says a lot more about the lack of critical thinking skills of the masses who parrot the stats, than it does about any underlying violence problem in "the extreme right" (which you still havent defined).
26   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 9:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol ok so I went through Marcus's sources above.

SPLC lists 6 right wing terror crimes in 2018. Even the quartz article only shows 60 terrorist "incidents" in 2018.

Compare that to 30000 gun deaths per year. Please recall all the toddlers compared to terrorists death count from a few years back. Now when the right is under their terrorism crucible it's a huge problem... smh.

Riddle me this: do you really think that 60 violent crimes hand selected as terrorist events in 2018 (apparently a HUGE increase from years past) is anything but a hand selected narrative?

Now look at the actual crimes. The total joke SPLC lists Nikolas Cruz, the florida school shooter, as a right wing terrorist because he posted mean things on FB. ^^this is a public example of attributing white supremacy political terrorism to a pointless violent act.

Imagine if we had entire organizations searching chat logs, texts, and emails of all the murderers on death row.

If a murderer saying he hates other groups, how many of the 50 murders a weekend in Chicago could be considered terrorism?

This right wing terrorism trope is a lie. Its designed and presented to manipulate your weak, soft minds.
27   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 31, 9:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm shocked(NOT) that you found some lies to throw at the data to invalidate it for yourself.

IT's your typical argument, or non-argument. I'd like to say that it's worse than the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with, but I can't.

Very similar to your argument how all of Trumps lies aren't really lies. I see a pattern. You actually can take any true fact and throw some nonsensical gibberish at it, and declare me and all the other reality based folks:

CBOEtrader says
weak, soft minds


Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

Good job. I stand corrected.
28   HEYYOU   ignore (33)   2018 Oct 31, 9:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Killing & Politics have nothing on the ways we have fubar,this planet.
But these two keep one occupied while the Clever Apes go extinct.
29   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 31, 10:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

New America Foundation

Already exposed as an unreliable source on another recent thread by @curious2
30   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 31, 10:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Now look at the actual crimes. The total joke SPLC lists Nikolas Cruz, the florida school shooter, as a right wing terrorist because he posted mean things on FB. ^^this is a public example of attributing white supremacy political terrorism to a pointless violent act.


I believe another "ZOMG Look at Right Wing Terror" had the Denver Movie Theater Crazy Dude on it. Nothing to do with the Right Wing.

Conversely the Muslim Driver who beat down the Hassidic Pedestrian in Brooklyn yelling "ALLAH! " will not be noted as a hate crime, but "Road Rage"
31   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 31, 10:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here's another misleading statement:

"But the United States has seen a recent surge in terror-related violence, with 65 attacks last year, up from six in 2006, it said."

A dishonest way of saying
"Last year was the second lowest year of Right Wing Terror in more than a decade."
OR
"We had to go back about a decade to find the next lowest year after the last one."

Interestingly:
The list also includes attacks on a gay bar in Puerto Rico,

By whom? Betcha it wasn't a white dude.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists
32   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 31, 10:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
So, are we going to give the lies about violence on the left a rest for a couple days ?


Who do you think we are, the libby press?
33   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 10:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I'm shocked(NOT) that you found some lies to throw at the data to invalidate it for yourself.

IT's your typical argument, or non-argument. I'd like to say that it's worse than the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with, but I can't.

Very similar to your argument how all of Trumps lies aren't really lies. I see a pattern. You actually can take any true fact and throw some nonsensical gibberish at it, and declare me and all the other reality based folks:

CBOEtrader says
weak, soft minds


Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

Good job. I stand corrected.


I also see a pattern in your posts. Zero facts or tangible points to be found. Try responding to what I actually said, and perhaps point out what you disagree with.
34   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 10:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with


LOLZ, OMG have I replaced Trump in your brain? Thats awesome!!!!

I'll assume this also means you cant actually point out one of my "lies" to discuss. As always, I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong (but you wont)
35   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 31, 10:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

201710010018 2017-10-01 United States Las Vegas Anti-Government extremists 59 851 Business,Airports and Aircraft,Private Citizens & Property
https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201712220023
Emphasis Mine.

Uhhh, that's funny, the Official Investigation has closed the case without determining ANY MOTIVE for the Las Vegas attack.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/03/635507299/las-vegas-shooting-investigation-closed-no-motive-found

And yet UMaryland's database puts it as "Anti-Government Extremist" and making it the 5th deadliest attack in the database,

But I'm sure the SPLC doesn't challenge the "Terrorist Database" unofficial conclusion and will assign all 59 deaths to the "Far Right".
36   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 10:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

But I'm sure the SPLC doesn't challenge the "Terrorist Database" unofficial conclusion and will assign all 59 deaths to the "Far Right".


Well, he's white so the left will call it alt-right terrorism.

Same goes w light skinned Latinos and/or half asians or anyone who may have liked Infowars on facebook.
37   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 31, 10:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Well, he's white so the left will call it alt-right terrorism.


Right, while ignoring the fact majority of his victims were a County-Western festival attendees, presumably majority rural White and at the very least leans Trump and pro-USA.
38   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 31, 10:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yeah, okay, the University of Maryland list is total bullshit. It includes Columbine as a terror attack, rather than a mass shooting because Psychopath.

These are the first ten most deadly attacks:



Las Vegas we have officially no motive, the West Fertilizer plant is believed to be arson but there are no suspects or claimants to the attack, and Columbine wasn't a terror attack but Nutjobs.

Even so, the deadliest terror attacks come from 1% of the population.
39   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Oct 31, 10:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !


I'm trying to find a process, any process to actually give a statistical measurement of political violence. Your wikipedia article was helpful, but the definitions are vague at best. It seems to define all political violence as right wing. Ex: anti-govt = right wing, but anti-fascist govt = left wing.... so in this simple example, a terrorist who is fighting against his own govt would only he considered left wing in a tiny fraction of govt systems.

This is why I want your definition. I legit dont see any difference between left/right unless you are talking about team affiliations.

It's almost as if any wrongthinker can be defined as extreme right winger, THEN they only offer ideology as relevant IF (like cruz) they can find posts of him being anti-illegal immigration or whatever.

Try actually discussing something for once and answer this: if you looked into every Chicago murderers text, email, social history do you think you wouldnt find anti-[entergrouphere] hate?

Violence by a perpetrater who at any point expressed political anxiety is enough for SPLC to define that violent person as a terrorist. Imagine if the same rules were applied to the left. Just try. Now tell me there wouldnt be 10 leftists terrorists identified per weekend amongst the Chicago murderers using that weak formula.
40   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 1, 4:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
New America Foundation

Already exposed as an unreliable source on another recent thread by @curious2


https://patrick.net/post/1318051/2018-08-09-newamerica-org

Regarding the unattributed copy & paste from Wikipedia commented above, that fake count was already addressed in this comment. It shows that Wikipedia can be deliberately misleading. Note the elision between number of incidents and number of fatalities, and the cherry picked dates. The 2015 San Bernardino attack killed 24 people, seriously injured 22 more, and would have killed and wounded many more if the perpetrators had not been killed before detonating their bombs. The 2016 Orlando Pulse attack killed 49, and wounded 53. The 2009 attack on Fort Hood killed 14 and wounded 33. And, so we never forget, the 9/11 attacks in 2001 killed 3,000 (the number continues to grow due to the toxic dust causing ongoing cancers and respiratory fatalities). Counts that omit the wounded, or that count incidents instead of fatalities, understate the Islamic carnage. Nobody can match Muslims' propensity to self-organize lethal conspiracies and murder and wound and terrorize huge numbers as per Islam.

By embracing Islam, the left embraces violence, and betrays liberalism and humanity. It makes no sense for Democrats to support Islam while claiming to support values that Islam opposes and would destroy, but such is the betrayal and incoherence that resulted in Democrats being separated from power.

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