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War Vet Kills 12 At SoCal Bar

By NuttBoxer following x   2018 Nov 8, 8:08am 732 views   35 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


If there was ever a case for citizens being armed, THIS is it. No way that sherrif's deputy had a chance against a trained vet on his own. Very sad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6366501/Gunman-shoots-dozens-victims-including-police-officer-opens-fire-California-bar.html

2   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns. The way they tend to behave, I don’t think bar security should have them either. Those guys would start acting like police and shooting people who tried to cut in line.

A tragedy. Mental health is a problem we need to spend more time sorting out. Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever. And mental health is an issue that affects most of us, whether individually or because of a family member or friend.
3   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 9:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
No way that sherrif's deputy had a chance against a trained vet on his own.

CNN is reporting that there were six off duty cops in the club.
4   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 9:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever.

What? The Glock 21 has been around for decades. The AR15 has been around for decades.
5   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 8, 9:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mental health problem. Obvious PTSD sufferer. If he had used a car or pipe bomb, it wouldn’t change much.
6   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 8, 9:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BoomBustCycle, you must be new here. Calling someone a “moron” doesn’t fly anymore. Keep it civil and you’ll have a voice. Thanks.
7   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Nov 8, 9:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We need to know what political theology he followed,that's the reason for any mental issues.
Follow fools,become a fool.
Wait until someone shoots up a political rally. I can't wait!

The Right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed regardless of how many Republicans die.

BoomBustCycle,
"Moron" is a compliment to patnetters! ;-)

Who said what in comment # 2?

EJW- Ego Justice Warriors, "Don't hurt my feelings!" (use baby speak)
8   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2018 Nov 8, 9:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Clearly, this guy was a Sierra Club jihadi, possibly an extremist genocidal maniac from The League of Women Voters.
9   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2018 Nov 8, 9:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another Libby killer like McVeigh.
10   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 8, 10:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever.


There is nothing especially "powerful" or "sophisticated" in .45 semi-auto pistol.
11   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 10:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The dead sheriffs deputy was an armed citizen
12   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 8, 10:31am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They told him his veteran's benefits had run out, but there was still plenty of money for sex change operations and full scholarships for illegal aliens.

How come he couldn't accept the wisdom of liberal largesse?
13   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 8, 10:31am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns. The way they tend to behave, I don’t think bar security should have them either. Those guys would start acting like police and shooting people who tried to cut in line.


Except nothing of the kind happens in the states which have "shall-issue CCW" and/or "constitutional carry".
14   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 10:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control. Because gun control worked so well for Chicago, Stalin, Mao...
15   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 8, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control.


CA voters has just put a rabid anti-2A zealot into Governor's mansion. At this point the only question is: how far will he try overstep the constitutional boundaries.
16   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Nov 8, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Mental health problem. Obvious PTSD sufferer. If he had used a car or pipe bomb, it wouldn’t change much.


The most effective remedy for PTSD is Cannabis. But Republicans like making our Veterans suffer, so NO MEDS FOR YOU!!

Another day, another MAGA slaughter
17   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Nov 8, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
They told him his veteran's benefits had run out, but there was still plenty of money for sex change operations and full scholarships for illegal aliens.

How come he couldn't accept the wisdom of liberal largesse?


I don’t think his benefits ran out, just that Republicans make Americans choose between their medicine and their guns. And then the Republicans Socialize the costs. Republicans are fucked in the head
18   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Nov 8, 11:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A little thought for Republicans,someone can come to your place of work,entertainment,elsewhere & invoke the 2nd Amendment Solution to maim & kill you,your family & friends.

"shall not be infringed" by God that left you with nothing.

"a case for citizens being armed" they are much more qualified to drop a perp with one shot & not hit a bystander.

President Trump uses the word "bad".

He was exactly right. Anyone look at the two Parties lately.
19   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 8, 11:26am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APHAman says
Goran_K says
Mental health problem. Obvious PTSD sufferer. If he had used a car or pipe bomb, it wouldn’t change much.


The most effective remedy for PTSD is Cannabis. But Republicans like making our Veterans suffer, so NO MEDS FOR YOU!!

Another day, another MAGA slaughter


Fail: it's legal to buy and smoke pot where the shooter lived.
20   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 12:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
FortWayneIndiana says
I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control.


CA voters has just put a rabid anti-2A zealot into Governor's mansion. At this point the only question is: how far will he try overstep the constitutional boundaries.


There is always Supreme Court. I don't think left will try to push it when the court is conservative.
21   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 8, 1:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
DASKAA says
FortWayneIndiana says
I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control.


CA voters has just put a rabid anti-2A zealot into Governor's mansion. At this point the only question is: how far will he try overstep the constitutional boundaries.


There is always Supreme Court. I don't think left will try to push it when the court is conservative.


I actually secretly hope they will and get the proper well-deserved and long overdue slapdown by SCOTUS.
22   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 1:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns.


A large number of the attendee's where under 21 and there for a dance night.

And since when does everyone who drinks have to get sloppy drunk? Now if they were handing guns out at the door, maybe I could see your point. But I'm talking about gun owners going out and bringing their firearm with the intent to protect themselves and others if needed. Nothing about that mentality sounds irresponsible.
23   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 1:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
CNN is reporting that there were six off duty cops in the club.


What were they doing when all these people got wasted? Did none of them bring their firearm?
24   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 1:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
The dead sheriffs deputy was an armed citizen


Yes, and as I mentioned, had no chance by himself. The strength in gun ownership for the people is always in numbers. Limit those numbers, and trained killers like this army vet are guaranteed free reign.
25   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 8, 2:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
Quigley says
I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns.


A large number of the attendee's where under 21 and there for a dance night.

And since when does everyone who drinks have to get sloppy drunk? Now if they were handing guns out at the door, maybe I could see your point. But I'm talking about gun owners going out and bringing their firearm with the intent to protect themselves and others if needed. Nothing about that mentality sounds irresponsible.


Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.
26   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 2:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.


No experience in the shooting realm with alcohol. But this is most certainly true in a ton of non-consequential motor skill type activities. Darts. Ping pong. Golf. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about being wasted. As you said, being buzzed, for some people can get their brain out of the way and make them less "mental" about the task at hand.

And I don't want to hear the rips on alcohol. There are plenty of other drugs that docs prescribe that fuck up the body substantially worse and are less effective when it comes to anti-anxiety and calming effects. As with anything, moderation is key. I'd rather have 2-3 beers and play darts over some pharma drug that is way worse for the mind and body.
27   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 8, 2:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Stop picking on alky-hol. It's nearly as harmless and healthful as mary-ji-hunah.
28   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 8, 2:58pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
some pharma drug that is way worse for the mind and body.


VA "beneficiaries" are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind. I would like to know the perpetrator's Rx history and what drug(s) he was taking in the days leading up to this event.

The military industrial complex combines with the medical industrial complex:
Step 1: train young people to kill;
Step 2: send them to a foreign environment with an impossible mission, e.g. separating the "good" Muslims from the "bad" Muslims who are trying to kill them;
Step 3: require them to follow incomprehensible secret rules of engagement that ensure failure and PTSD;
Step 4: poison their brains with psychotropic prescriptions that push their behavior in violent and suicidal directions;
Step 5: Profit!

An active duty soldier on Ambien and who knows what else walked off base one night in Afghanistan, murdered a whole family, set the corpses on fire, and walked back with no recollection of what he had done nor why.

Guns did not cause this problem, and guns cannot solve it. We are subsidizing infinitely these toxic placebos that don't solve anything but do cause more problems. As long as the recipients of those subsidies (PhRMA, prescribers, pharmacists with 10-years of post-secondary education counting to 30, all the ivory tower "educators" paid to train these people, pharmacy benefit "managers" AKA profiteers, distributors, etc.) continue to make policy, we will continue to see this problem. It happens more often in the USA than in Canada because more people are on psychotropic prescriptions here than in Canada. Lots of places have guns, but nobody can match the USA in poisoning our own population with infinitely subsidized toxic placebos.
29   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 5:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's so fun to live in a country where you can be nailed anytime for no reason by a wacko on psychotropic prescriptions who was able to buy guns without any checks - for the greatest profits of all involved.
30   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 9:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.


I can vouch for this(sort of). A number of years ago whipped my brother-in-law and his friends ass in Halo after having a few.
31   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 8, 9:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
It's so fun to live in a country where you can be nailed anytime for no reason by a wacko on psychotropic prescriptions who was able to buy guns without any checks - for the greatest profits of all involved.


Guns and profits have been around for a few hundred years. But mass shootings have not. Ever asked yourself why that is? I can tell you one thing that didn't exist when Mr. Winchester was alive...

curious2 says
are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind.
33   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2018 Nov 8, 11:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump should appoint this guy Secretary of Education posthumously and hold a press conference announcing his appointment, featuring Trump taking a shit on a picture of Christa McAuliffe's face.

It would be SO! FUCKING! MAGA! the riots would go on for weeks!
34   Reality   ignore (5)   2018 Nov 9, 10:41am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says

Guns and profits have been around for a few hundred years. But mass shootings have not. Ever asked yourself why that is? I can tell you one thing that didn't exist when Mr. Winchester was alive...

curious2 says
are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind.


That, and the fact that there was no gun-control . . . so even the crazy understood that if he pulled his gun out in a crowd, he'd be shot very quickly. There were no "gun-free" defenseless crowd ready to be targeted like sitting ducks.
35   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 9, 11:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reality says
That, and the fact that there was no gun-control . . .


Fuck, that’s true. So the anti-gun nuts are actually encouraging mass shootings. How’s that for irony.




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