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War Vet Kills 12 At SoCal Bar


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2018 Nov 8, 8:08am   4,168 views  27 comments

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If there was ever a case for citizens being armed, THIS is it. No way that sherrif's deputy had a chance against a trained vet on his own. Very sad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6366501/Gunman-shoots-dozens-victims-including-police-officer-opens-fire-California-bar.html

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1   BoomAndBustCycle   2018 Nov 8, 8:41am  

Yes, arming drunk people at bars at 2am will stop mass shootings... instead will just have drunken shoot outs at the same rate as fist fights and shoving matches in bars. You are a moron.
2   Shaman   2018 Nov 8, 8:58am  

I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns. The way they tend to behave, I don’t think bar security should have them either. Those guys would start acting like police and shooting people who tried to cut in line.

A tragedy. Mental health is a problem we need to spend more time sorting out. Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever. And mental health is an issue that affects most of us, whether individually or because of a family member or friend.
3   Evan F.   2018 Nov 8, 9:09am  

NuttBoxer says
No way that sherrif's deputy had a chance against a trained vet on his own.

CNN is reporting that there were six off duty cops in the club.
4   Evan F.   2018 Nov 8, 9:18am  

Quigley says
Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever.

What? The Glock 21 has been around for decades. The AR15 has been around for decades.
5   Goran_K   2018 Nov 8, 9:24am  

Mental health problem. Obvious PTSD sufferer. If he had used a car or pipe bomb, it wouldn’t change much.
6   Goran_K   2018 Nov 8, 9:25am  

BoomBustCycle, you must be new here. Calling someone a “moron” doesn’t fly anymore. Keep it civil and you’ll have a voice. Thanks.
7   RWSGFY   2018 Nov 8, 10:28am  

Quigley says
Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever.


There is nothing especially "powerful" or "sophisticated" in .45 semi-auto pistol.
8   tovarichpeter   2018 Nov 8, 10:28am  

The dead sheriffs deputy was an armed citizen
9   Ceffer   2018 Nov 8, 10:31am  

They told him his veteran's benefits had run out, but there was still plenty of money for sex change operations and full scholarships for illegal aliens.

How come he couldn't accept the wisdom of liberal largesse?
10   RWSGFY   2018 Nov 8, 10:31am  

Quigley says
I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns. The way they tend to behave, I don’t think bar security should have them either. Those guys would start acting like police and shooting people who tried to cut in line.


Except nothing of the kind happens in the states which have "shall-issue CCW" and/or "constitutional carry".
11   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Nov 8, 10:35am  

I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control. Because gun control worked so well for Chicago, Stalin, Mao...
12   RWSGFY   2018 Nov 8, 10:39am  

FortWayneIndiana says
I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control.


CA voters has just put a rabid anti-2A zealot into Governor's mansion. At this point the only question is: how far will he try overstep the constitutional boundaries.
13   RWSGFY   2018 Nov 8, 11:26am  

APHAman says
Goran_K says
Mental health problem. Obvious PTSD sufferer. If he had used a car or pipe bomb, it wouldn’t change much.


The most effective remedy for PTSD is Cannabis. But Republicans like making our Veterans suffer, so NO MEDS FOR YOU!!

Another day, another MAGA slaughter


Fail: it's legal to buy and smoke pot where the shooter lived.
14   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Nov 8, 12:39pm  

DASKAA says
FortWayneIndiana says
I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control.


CA voters has just put a rabid anti-2A zealot into Governor's mansion. At this point the only question is: how far will he try overstep the constitutional boundaries.


There is always Supreme Court. I don't think left will try to push it when the court is conservative.
15   RWSGFY   2018 Nov 8, 1:08pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
DASKAA says
FortWayneIndiana says
I'm willing to bet money that Democrats will use this tragedy to push more gun control.


CA voters has just put a rabid anti-2A zealot into Governor's mansion. At this point the only question is: how far will he try overstep the constitutional boundaries.


There is always Supreme Court. I don't think left will try to push it when the court is conservative.


I actually secretly hope they will and get the proper well-deserved and long overdue slapdown by SCOTUS.
16   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 8, 1:45pm  

Quigley says
I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns.


A large number of the attendee's where under 21 and there for a dance night.

And since when does everyone who drinks have to get sloppy drunk? Now if they were handing guns out at the door, maybe I could see your point. But I'm talking about gun owners going out and bringing their firearm with the intent to protect themselves and others if needed. Nothing about that mentality sounds irresponsible.
17   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 8, 1:47pm  

Evan F. says
CNN is reporting that there were six off duty cops in the club.


What were they doing when all these people got wasted? Did none of them bring their firearm?
18   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 8, 1:49pm  

tovarichpeter says
The dead sheriffs deputy was an armed citizen


Yes, and as I mentioned, had no chance by himself. The strength in gun ownership for the people is always in numbers. Limit those numbers, and trained killers like this army vet are guaranteed free reign.
19   RWSGFY   2018 Nov 8, 2:03pm  

NuttBoxer says
Quigley says
I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns.


A large number of the attendee's where under 21 and there for a dance night.

And since when does everyone who drinks have to get sloppy drunk? Now if they were handing guns out at the door, maybe I could see your point. But I'm talking about gun owners going out and bringing their firearm with the intent to protect themselves and others if needed. Nothing about that mentality sounds irresponsible.


Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.
20   WookieMan   2018 Nov 8, 2:15pm  

DASKAA says
Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.


No experience in the shooting realm with alcohol. But this is most certainly true in a ton of non-consequential motor skill type activities. Darts. Ping pong. Golf. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about being wasted. As you said, being buzzed, for some people can get their brain out of the way and make them less "mental" about the task at hand.

And I don't want to hear the rips on alcohol. There are plenty of other drugs that docs prescribe that fuck up the body substantially worse and are less effective when it comes to anti-anxiety and calming effects. As with anything, moderation is key. I'd rather have 2-3 beers and play darts over some pharma drug that is way worse for the mind and body.
21   Ceffer   2018 Nov 8, 2:36pm  

Stop picking on alky-hol. It's nearly as harmless and healthful as mary-ji-hunah.
22   curious2   2018 Nov 8, 2:58pm  

WookieMan says
some pharma drug that is way worse for the mind and body.


VA "beneficiaries" are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind. I would like to know the perpetrator's Rx history and what drug(s) he was taking in the days leading up to this event.

The military industrial complex combines with the medical industrial complex:
Step 1: train young people to kill;
Step 2: send them to a foreign environment with an impossible mission, e.g. separating the "good" Muslims from the "bad" Muslims who are trying to kill them;
Step 3: require them to follow incomprehensible secret rules of engagement that ensure failure and PTSD;
Step 4: poison their brains with psychotropic prescriptions that push their behavior in violent and suicidal directions;
Step 5: Profit!

An active duty soldier on Ambien and who knows what else walked off base one night in Afghanistan, murdered a whole family, set the corpses on fire, and walked back with no recollection of what he had done nor why.

Guns did not cause this problem, and guns cannot solve it. We are subsidizing infinitely these toxic placebos that don't solve anything but do cause more problems. As long as the recipients of those subsidies (PhRMA, prescribers, pharmacists with 10-years of post-secondary education counting to 30, all the ivory tower "educators" paid to train these people, pharmacy benefit "managers" AKA profiteers, distributors, etc.) continue to make policy, we will continue to see this problem. It happens more often in the USA than in Canada because more people are on psychotropic prescriptions here than in Canada. Lots of places have guns, but nobody can match the USA in poisoning our own population with infinitely subsidized toxic placebos.
23   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Nov 8, 5:27pm  

It's so fun to live in a country where you can be nailed anytime for no reason by a wacko on psychotropic prescriptions who was able to buy guns without any checks - for the greatest profits of all involved.
24   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 8, 9:37pm  

DASKAA says
Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.


I can vouch for this(sort of). A number of years ago whipped my brother-in-law and his friends ass in Halo after having a few.
25   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 8, 9:43pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
It's so fun to live in a country where you can be nailed anytime for no reason by a wacko on psychotropic prescriptions who was able to buy guns without any checks - for the greatest profits of all involved.


Guns and profits have been around for a few hundred years. But mass shootings have not. Ever asked yourself why that is? I can tell you one thing that didn't exist when Mr. Winchester was alive...

curious2 says
are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind.
26   Reality   2018 Nov 9, 10:41am  

NuttBoxer says

Guns and profits have been around for a few hundred years. But mass shootings have not. Ever asked yourself why that is? I can tell you one thing that didn't exist when Mr. Winchester was alive...

curious2 says
are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind.


That, and the fact that there was no gun-control . . . so even the crazy understood that if he pulled his gun out in a crowd, he'd be shot very quickly. There were no "gun-free" defenseless crowd ready to be targeted like sitting ducks.
27   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 9, 11:34am  

Reality says
That, and the fact that there was no gun-control . . .


Fuck, that’s true. So the anti-gun nuts are actually encouraging mass shootings. How’s that for irony.

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